The Carolina Kostner Thread

AngieNikodinovLove said:
I am actually unbiased and here is how I scored the ladies

1. Carolina
2. Yuna
3. GRACIE
4. Sotnikova
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I agree on Carolina and Yu Na. Although they would be close and I might have to go over the performances and my scoring to know for sure who would win.

Gracie over Sotnikova I could maybe see, but again would need to go over the performances and score them which I did back then but would need to redo. I could honestly see Mao being scored properly in the LP, and all others properly, even possibly make up enough points to get the bronze, or atleast be close to doing so. I think Mao, Gracie, Adelina would all be fairly clsoe in total points with Mao ahead by a huge margin of well over 10 points of both in the long. Gracie, Adelina, and Julia were all visibly overscored by a wide margin for their skates in both programs. Some behind the scenes dealing and politics behind the event were clearly evident, and had Julia and Gracie not choked a bit, things would have gotten even uglier than they already were.
 
Meoima said:
I also think Carolina should have won gold at Sochi. But Adelina deserves higher than Gracie.
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I would have Gracie ahead in the short since she did a triple lutz-triple toe which is much more difficult. I would have Adelina ahead in the long, but not even by that much considering in reality she did a triple flutz-triple toe < not a triple lutz-triple toe, her GOE she was given on nearly every move should be dropped, her footwork was not really a level 4, and her PCS should be dropped by a good 5 points minimum. Gracie's scores should be dropped too, but less drastically.
 
slipchuk said:
I would have Gracie ahead in the short since she did a triple lutz-triple toe which is much more difficult. I would have Adelina ahead in the long, but not even by that much considering in reality she did a triple flutz-triple toe < not a triple lutz-triple toe, her GOE she was given on nearly every move should be dropped, her footwork was not really a level 4, and her PCS should be dropped by a good 5 points minimum. Gracie's scores should be dropped too, but less drastically.
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I disagree about Adelina should drop her PCS that much. She never skated that great before and her SS is really great. Her transitions were packed. Compared to Gracie who skated messier, I think there is no comparison. Not to forget Yuna also had 3 questionable jumps might have been called UR, so it's not just Adelina who got generous calls.
 
Meoima said:
I disagree about Adelina should drop her PCS that much. She never skated that great before and her SS is really great. Her transitions were packed. Compared to Gracie who skated messier, I think there is no comparison. Not to forget Yuna also had 3 questionable jumps might have been called UR, so it's not just Adelina who got generous calls.
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I think you are massively exagerrating with your 3 UR calls for Yu Na, her 2nd triple lutz probably and that is all. And in comparision to Kim and Kostner, Sotnikova absolutely 100% should drop in PCS that much. And compared to Mao Asada (who in the LP was massively underscored in PCS and in everything) her PCS are still too high comparatively even after 5 points drop. Dont go comparing to Julia since Julia's PCS I would drop even more, as I said the scoring was corrupt all around with some obvious behind scenes deals exchanged in favor of Julia, Adelina, and Gracie, and had Julia and Gracie skated better than they did, or Mao skated well in the short program too and still lost (which she probably does with the Russian fix) the raging controversy over the event which is already about the biggest ever would be even uglier.

Even with my drop she is still roughly only half a point per component behind of Kim and Kostner, which is plenty that she deserves. And no her SS is not really great, they are good, great skating skills are Sato, Arakawa, Kostner, Kim, Kwan not Sotnikova. She is far behind Kostner and even Kim in SS, despite that this is her 2nd best program component after transitions. Note I would also drop Gold's PCS and scores in some places but less than Sotnikova for sure.
 
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slipchuk said:
I think you are massively exagerrating with your 3 UR calls for Yu Na, her 2nd triple lutz probably and that is all. And in comparision to Kim and Kostner, Sotnikova absolutely 100% should drop in PCS that much. And compared to Mao Asada (who in the LP was massively underscored in PCS and in everything) her PCS are still too high comparatively even after 5 points drop. Dont go comparing to Julia since Julia's PCS I would drop even more, as I said the scoring was corrupt all around with some obvious behind scenes deals exchanged in favor of Julia, Adelina, and Gracie, and had Julia and Gracie skated better than they did, or Mao skated well in the short program too and still lost (which she probably does with the Russian fix) the raging controversy over the event which is already about the biggest ever would be even uglier.

Even with my drop she is still roughly only half a point per component behind of Kim and Kostner, which is plenty that she deserves. And no her SS is not really great, they are good, great skating skills are Sato, Arakawa, Kostner, Kim, Kwan not Sotnikova. She is far behind Kostner and even Kim in SS, despite that this is her 2nd best program component after transitions. Note I would also drop Gold's PCS and scores in some places but less than Sotnikova for sure.
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Nah, I have seen the video. I know what I am talking about. My point is, it's not just Adelina who got generous calls. And please her jumps are definitely not weaker than Gracie, even better, her spins are definitely not weaker than Gracie at all. Adelia flutz but Gracie Lip as well. As for presentation, I guess someone totally forgot that Gracie has been criticized for her stiff upper body for years huh?
Adelina showed great skating skills. There is no comparison to Sato or Kwan, they were not there. The point is what she showed that night was great and people should accept that she is a much better skater than they give her credit for. How many crossovers she did in the winning program that night? I guess you didn't notice. But she gained speed from quite less crossovers than other ladies.
Adelina went under the radar for being inconsistent for so long. But people have to understand she's been hailed as the hope of Russian fed even longer than that. The girl had it all, the huge jumps, the spins and the skating skills. It's unfair for people to downplay her talents and do not look at her true quality just because of one competition.
 
Caro won, Obviously.

She and medals have become one since years, now. :)

(RoadTo300)
 
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She did 2A 1/2loop 3S wich she did about ten years ago last time, she had a 7 tripples + two 2A in the program (ok I think she did the last 3S on purpose, to try the stamina) and she almost did it
 
npavel said:
She did 2A 1/2loop 3S wich she did about ten years ago last time, she had a 7 tripples + two 2A in the program (ok I think she did the last 3S on purpose, to try the stamina) and she almost did it
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That final 3sal wouldn't count because she already did one and already repeated toe and loop. The highest value jump she could have done there was 2lutz (or 3lutz and above).
 
Marco said:
That final 3sal wouldn't count because she already did one and already repeated toe and loop. The highest value jump she could have done there was 2lutz (or 3lutz and above).
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That is what I said. She do the 3Lz, she did in training at Euros but changed it for 3T3T. So she will do it at Worlds, but didn't do it at Nordics. I think she will change the 3T3T to the 3F3T and the solo 3F to 3Lz
 
I am really impressed by her progress! She has added more difficulty to her programs with each competition she's done this season and has re-introduced the 2a-3sal which she hasn't done in over 10 years (and that at the age of 30 and after 3 years away from competition!). She still lacks power and speed a little but I am sure it will come with time. Very impressive FP at the Nordics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A08zhNXamds

Can't wait to see her at Worlds!
 
npavel said:
That is what I said. She do the 3Lz, she did in training at Euros but changed it for 3T3T. So she will do it at Worlds, but didn't do it at Nordics. I think she will change the 3T3T to the 3F3T and the solo 3F to 3Lz
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She practiced the lutz at Euros? How did it look? :cheer:

Yes, if the 3toe3toe becomes the 3lutz at Worlds, she will have a very competitive program with 7 triples and 2 2axels, repeating loop and sal. Whee!

The spins and spirals were a little shaky though.
 
With improved tech. and clean skates Kostner could be in a 3 way fight with Miyahara and Pogorilaya for the silver at worlds.
 
Meoima said:
Nah, I have seen the video. I know what I am talking about. My point is, it's not just Adelina who got generous calls. And please her jumps are definitely not weaker than Gracie, even better, her spins are definitely not weaker than Gracie at all. Adelia flutz but Gracie Lip as well. As for presentation, I guess someone totally forgot that Gracie has been criticized for her stiff upper body for years huh?
Adelina showed great skating skills. There is no comparison to Sato or Kwan, they were not there. The point is what she showed that night was great and people should accept that she is a much better skater than they give her credit for. How many crossovers she did in the winning program that night? I guess you didn't notice. But she gained speed from quite less crossovers than other ladies.
Adelina went under the radar for being inconsistent for so long. But people have to understand she's been hailed as the hope of Russian fed even longer than that. The girl had it all, the huge jumps, the spins and the skating skills. It's unfair for people to downplay her talents and do not look at her true quality just because of one competition.
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Saying Adelina has great skating skills is ridiculous enough in itself, but even more ridiculous in a Carolina Kostner threat. If Adelina's skating skills are great then Kostner's whose are 10 times better must be so godly she should ascend to heaven today.

And I dont give a shit about Yu Na who I was never a fan of one way or the other but the 3 underrotated triples is a bogus lie to try and cover up the Russian's farce win when atleast 3 women badly outskated her, and anywhere but Russia she is lucky to medal at all.

Dont care about Gracie either who is one of the most boring skaters, but her jumps are definitely better quality than Adelina's sloppy and wild jumps overall. Adelina did probably deserve to beat her in Sochi since Gracie had mistakes and was a bit blah there.
 
montrealsurfa said:
Saying Adelina has great skating skills is ridiculous enough in itself, but even more ridiculous in a Carolina Kostner threat. If Adelina's skating skills are great then Kostner's whose are 10 times better must be so godly she should ascend to heaven today.

And I dont give a shit about Yu Na who I was never a fan of one way or the other but the 3 underrotated triples is a bogus lie to try and cover up the Russian's farce win when atleast 3 women badly outskated her, and anywhere but Russia she is lucky to medal at all.

Dont care about Gracie either who is one of the most boring skaters, but her jumps are definitely better quality than Adelina's sloppy and wild jumps overall. Adelina did probably deserve to beat her in Sochi since Gracie had mistakes and was a bit blah there.
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Be a little civil does not hurt you. Accept it or not, Adelina at her peak had great skating skills. Come back to her programs at Sochi and count how many crossovers she did to gain speed. Certainly the LEAST among medalists.
Carolina at her peak certainly had best skating skills among top ladies. But that does not mean she is 10 times better than Adelina.
 
Meoima said:
Be a little civil does not hurt you. Accept it or not, Adelina at her peak had great skating skills. Come back to her programs at Sochi and count how many crossovers she did to gain speed. Certainly the LEAST among medalists.
Carolina at her peak certainly had best skating skills among top ladies. But that does not mean she is 10 times better than Adelina.
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I dont have to accept something that isnt true. You are confusing transitions with skating skills which shows you dont even know what skating skills are. Sotnikova does have alot of transitions in her Olympic free program I agree, the best aspect of her progam on the 2nd mark although even this aspect is hindered by the fact they arent executed at all smoothly, but her skating skills are just pretty good at best, and light years behind Kostner, Kim, or even Gold, Osmond, or Asada. And no I am not saying Gold, Asada, or for sure Osmond deserved to beat her there so dont go twisting my words given your lack of comprension in reading is evident.

You are obviously an Adelina fan so are unable to be objective but that is your problem. Anyway who cares about her, she is done, an extremely annoying and forgotten blip on the radar who provided a mostly crappy Games full of post Olympic Russian doping scandals in many sports with one of its all time low moments. The only thing she will be remembered for her is her farce Olympic Gold that only 0.0000001% of the population agreed with (all Russian skinheads and bigots, the few who still care about figure skating, and a few idiots like yourself perhaps), and the sport is far better off without her and with the exquisite Russians who are way better skaters and way better people and sportswomen who actually earn their wins with top quality jumps, spins, programs, and skating skills like Medvedeva and Pogorilaya, and act like classy women on top of that rather than a spoiled entitled brat.
 
Can the dead horse of the 2014 Olympics be beaten elsewhere so the rest of us can talk about how excited we are to see what Carolina can do at Worlds?
 
With the 250 points she received for winning the Nordics, Carolina now has 1230 World Standings points, which ranks 48th. I'm not sure how many of those ranked ahead of her will compete in Helsinki, but we've already seen that she can do just fine even when skating early :)
 
Zemgirl said:
With the 250 points she received for winning the Nordics, Carolina now has 1230 World Standings points, which ranks 48th. I'm not sure how many of those ranked ahead of her will compete in Helsinki, but we've already seen that she can do just fine even when skating early :)
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At least 22, by my count. Not sure about the Australian entry (Craine v. Han) so Carolina is 23rd or 24th-highest. Either way, she's skating in the first 'half' of the event.
 
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montrealsurfa said:
7th if she manages it.
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She will, I'm sure (but you already know my opinion about it). :) And seems like she will compete in Milano 2018 too. So it'll be 11 Euro Medals (which will represent a Men's record), 2 Olympic medals, 9 Nationals and 8 Worlds. Impressive.
 
msadot said:
She will. :) And seems like she will compete in Milano 2018 too. So it'll be 11 Euro Medals (which will represent a Men's record), 2 Olympic medals, 9 Nationals and 8 Worlds. Impressive.
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You seem pretty confident. I think she can but it wont be easy. Miyahara and Pogorilaya are both skating really well right now. A week or so ago everyone had the medals already awarded with the only question who gets silver, but Carolina's recent surge has made it a bit more unpredictable now. I hope she pulls it off though.
 
msadot said:
She will, I'm sure (but you already know my opinion about it). :) And seems like she will compete in Milano 2018 too. So it'll be 11 Euro Medals (which will represent a Men's record), 2 Olympic medals, 9 Nationals and 8 Worlds. Impressive.
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I don't think Carolina is well-positioned to break any men's records.
 
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