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Great site. It gives a lot more information than the ISU protocols. (Not that it can explain those too low Rhumba pattern levels.)
Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir # 47: Come What May...
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Great site. It gives a lot more information than the ISU protocols. (Not that it can explain those too low Rhumba pattern levels.)
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Looks like the Chinese judge and the American judge and the Japanese judge all scored them low on transitions and skating skills. I'd like to know what they're lacking in skating skills since everyone in skating has touted their skating skills for years????
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Start pronouncing their names in a French accent.
Their skating is near flawless. Their components aren't relatively reflecting that.
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I'm with Dave Lease on this- I've reviewed and reviewed Tessa's Choctaw and don't believe it was flat enough to warrant the loss of level (admittedly I don't have the judges angle or slow mo) It wasn't her best though, so if they're going to be that strict with everyone there really shouldn't be many if any Level 4s going around next week.
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The judges draw will tell us a fair bit looking at those TE protocols and the patterns across the season. If it's something like FRA, RUS, USA, ESP, TUR, SVK, CHN, CAN, ISR they might as well turn up and do the Macarena on ice for 4 minutes 
But they'll not go down without a fight, which is why I love them.
But they'll not go down without a fight, which is why I love them.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noq4U8kvID4
0:10 CBC included them in their "love is in the air" clip.
0:10 CBC included them in their "love is in the air" clip.
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My issue with this Rhumba pattern is if the tech panel judged it as a level 2 for several teams, how did any of them manage to get GOEs of 2 and 3 for it, which they did. And the one team that managed to get a level 3 didn’t get especially high GOEs for it. I know the judging is subjective to a point, but this particular element would seem to me to be the least subjective.
I think the skaters are not the problem here. Hopefully it can all be sorted out before Sunday.
I think the skaters are not the problem here. Hopefully it can all be sorted out before Sunday.
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Sigh, I don’t get this either. Anyway here’s a pic of the fam during after the TE FD: Kate Virtue, Jordan Virtue, Alma Moir, Joe Moir
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Jordan looks so much like Tessa it always catches me a bit off guard.
The judges draw will tell us a fair bit looking at those TE protocols and the patterns across the season. If it's something like FRA, RUS, USA, ESP, TUR, SVK, CHN, CAN, ISR they might as well turn up and do the Macarena on ice for 4 minutes
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Isn’t that basically all the countries though?
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I think there are 6 more judges available for the individual that didn't judge the team? Certainly France and Russia didn't, and if they get in it's not going to be good news for the PCS. In that hypothetical list I basically just left off the countries that seem to prefer V/M (like Japan and Ukraine) that might give them a fighting shot and left in Canada (who I sometimes wonder is conscious of the reports of the conflict of interest, because she never breaks for V/M as hard as the French judge does for P/C. Or maybe she's just fair?)
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When it comes to SS there is no couple like these two, and never was since G&P maybe? Cizeron is great too, but as a couple these two are smth else in that area.
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Cizeron's posture is bothering me more and more lately. He's obviously got the most gorgeous upper body movement, but he skates slightly bent at the waist sometimes and it's not correct. It was really noticeable at Europeans.
I think some of my problems with the IJS in its current form is that it doesn't differentiate true excellence enough. It's similar in gymnastics- Viktoria Komova set higher and extended further and pointed her foot harder than anyone else but would get the same execution score as another gymnast who wasn't technically 'wrong', just didn't go that bit further. So V/M's ramrod straight posture and perfect extension and unmatched synchronicity doesn't really get those extra marks, and so there's no incentive to emulate it.
I think some of my problems with the IJS in its current form is that it doesn't differentiate true excellence enough. It's similar in gymnastics- Viktoria Komova set higher and extended further and pointed her foot harder than anyone else but would get the same execution score as another gymnast who wasn't technically 'wrong', just didn't go that bit further. So V/M's ramrod straight posture and perfect extension and unmatched synchronicity doesn't really get those extra marks, and so there's no incentive to emulate it.
Exactly & if P&C get level 4's across the board after the SD then you know what's going on imo..lost cause..
Everyone going on about why their levels are so low & why they lose points on the rhumba pattern & choctaw..it's not rocket science..it's called CHEATING!
I mean gtfo..these judges do NOT get to tell V&M..the freaking GOATs that they have bad skating skills..I mean are you effin kidding me, these judges are old useless fools who should never be passing judgement on skater's as talented as Tess & Scott..lmao what a joke
I mean gtfo..these judges do NOT get to tell V&M..the freaking GOATs that they have bad skating skills..I mean are you effin kidding me, these judges are old useless fools who should never be passing judgement on skater's as talented as Tess & Scott..lmao what a joke
Who knew that their last competition would be so much fun
They have the best chemistry I have ever seen and it is kind of satisfying to know that it's not only us "crazy VM ubers" who feel it.
The German commentator said before their FD in the team event: "And now just watch and I promise I won't say a single syllable." His colleague said afterwards: "I could watch them forever." And that's it for me. They pull you in and time flies.
How nice to know that so many people feel the same.
Do you have the German coverage?
Happy Valentine's Day! CBC is having fun with puns.
Find someone who looks at you the way @tessavirtue and @ScottMoir look at each other
The original Deadline article mentioning increased Moulin Rouge! soundtrack sales.
Olympic Figure Skating Heats Up Moulin Rouge! Soundtrack Sales
This may be why Keith Richards's wife was happy to post about their use of the Rolling Stones music.
Find someone who looks at you the way @tessavirtue and @ScottMoir look at each other
The original Deadline article mentioning increased Moulin Rouge! soundtrack sales.
Olympic Figure Skating Heats Up Moulin Rouge! Soundtrack Sales
This may be why Keith Richards's wife was happy to post about their use of the Rolling Stones music.
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They do have a very good Rhumba tbf. They hit the levels. Their NtMiSt on Gabby's part however...
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I agree with you. They were brilliant here in the TE, of course, but they had some jitters in both programs. This is not a criticism. It's Olympic ice. I think it is a good thing.
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So with the Pairs gold medal decided by .43 point, I doubly hope the Dance tech panel makes what it wants clear re pattern. That’s all.
Not to take away from their upcoming competitions but I just watched the Toronto Symphony Orchestra do the R&J suite tonight and it is my one big regret that V/M never skated to R&J. It's one of my favourite pieces and I've wanted to see what they could have done with it for a long long time. They would have owned that piece from start to finish and I really think it would have become one of their signature pieces like Mahler. I guess that's one of the draw backs of being a fan of such a amazing team; everyone has that one piece of music they wish V/M would have skated too and unfortunately there's not enough time to get to every piece. Selfishly I would have gladly traded off Seasons for it.
Doing it during Sochi or even Vancouver would've been perfect for them at those ages. RJ would've been a bit too youthful for them at this point now, unless they pull off a different angle artistically to suit them
Well, skating both programs in the team event didn't hurt D/R so I hope the same will be true for V/M.
Yes, P/C getting a level 4 on the midline is not going to happen - I still don't understand the GOEs for what is by far their weakest element. With the kind of tech panels we've usually seen in recent years, V/M would get a level 4 and a 1.5 point advantage right off the bat. A harsher tech panel could actually help P/C a lot if they can hit their other elements. If they get the same levels as V/M in the SD and skate clean, I'm pretty sure the gold is theirs.
Still, V/M did all they could with two really strong skates. Probably too late to change the narrative at this point but a big improvement over Sochi, where it was clearly all over after the team event.
Yes, P/C getting a level 4 on the midline is not going to happen - I still don't understand the GOEs for what is by far their weakest element. With the kind of tech panels we've usually seen in recent years, V/M would get a level 4 and a 1.5 point advantage right off the bat. A harsher tech panel could actually help P/C a lot if they can hit their other elements. If they get the same levels as V/M in the SD and skate clean, I'm pretty sure the gold is theirs.
Still, V/M did all they could with two really strong skates. Probably too late to change the narrative at this point but a big improvement over Sochi, where it was clearly all over after the team event.
This is my concern as well. But they have no control over the tech panel or judges. So here is to wishing they have the 2 best skates of their career for the IE.
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Hi to everybody! Today is the day when I at least watched practices of all top Ice Dancers. What I have to say? I wish so much to Tessa and Scott to win the gold. They deserve and they can!
And also for sure I've watched theirs practieces several times and competitive skating. I'm absolutly sure that in IE they will be even stronger! But even in TE they were absolytely amazing!
Sorry for my English(
And also for sure I've watched theirs practieces several times and competitive skating. I'm absolutly sure that in IE they will be even stronger! But even in TE they were absolytely amazing!
Sorry for my English(
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Really? I always have the impression that he is even too backwards (is that the right word?) maybe in his posture.
I didn't see the Europeans. Could you indicate me in a video what you mean?
I understand what you mean. However, unless the gap is too big or obvious that is a bit tricky to judge and translate into marks. Not impossible, but difficult. And it's not always a matter of intentional unfairness from the judges. They are different judges and with different mindsets and "schools", if you want. Some might appreciate that perfect extended foot and going a bit further, and some may not put much weight in it, and appreciate more smth else.
Idk....personally I am with you there, because I do appreciate beautiful lines, extended leg/foot, good posture, good knee work. But yeah, I think it is a bit complicated.
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P/C's GOE on that SD NtMiSt should be behind a clean V/M, S/S and H/D at the very least. Several of Gabby's turns are unstable. Yet they're essentially maxing out on that element (then again, I'm of the opinion that you should not be getting max GOE for an element that is obviously not a Level 4).
I have a lot of issues with how P/C's SD is being scored tbh. There's really no justification at all for them beating V/M in PCS (not even base value, PCS!) there. I get it with the FD. But I'm not even 100% convinced they should always be placed second in the SD. I often feel like the judges are scoring the SD according to how they feel the overall ranking should end up.
But Aljona got her gold, a near miracle after the SP, so I shall keep that slither of hope for another one.
I have a lot of issues with how P/C's SD is being scored tbh. There's really no justification at all for them beating V/M in PCS (not even base value, PCS!) there. I get it with the FD. But I'm not even 100% convinced they should always be placed second in the SD. I often feel like the judges are scoring the SD according to how they feel the overall ranking should end up.
But Aljona got her gold, a near miracle after the SP, so I shall keep that slither of hope for another one.
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Do you mean some P/C supporters? I'm sure if P/C had chosen to do the team event they would have gotten some attention from Ed Sheeran (and his fans) for their SD music (just as Shibs were noted for Coldplay and V/M with Rolling Stones/Moulin Rouge). And the narrative would have changed a bit to feature the rivalry. Casual viewers aren't (yet) aware of them because they weren't there. *shrug*Seems like certain fans of a certain ice dance team are salty because all of the attention and support from celebrities and casual fans are on V/M and not on their team, judging from some comments on here and youtube...
I suppose for all the ragging Moulin Rouge soundtrack gets among skating fans, one should never underestimate what a big hit the film and OST were (also, nostalgia). Coupled with Tessa and Scott being Tessa and Scott ("The Canadian team was so sexy...what do you mean they're not dating?!"), skating superbly, as well as less ice dance teams to compete against, everything combined to make V/M a viral hit.
ETA: Also, I find it funny that the controversial lift has contributed to some people becoming curious about V/M. And that no one (other than skating fans) seem to be aware that *that* Carmen lift has been around since 2012!
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Seems like certain fans of a certain ice dance team are salty because all of the attention and support from celebrities and casual fans are on V/M and not on their team, judging from some comments on here and youtube...
Well, the important thing is that fans and the media don't start a war of how unfair the result was, in case they are not happy with it. Based only of who certain celebrities and casual fans were rooting for.
