Tarasova/Morozov Cheer Thread

[aka_gerbil]

I hope it’s a case of T/M declining and not being thought of as even alternate-worthy. They are scheduled to do shows in Russia over the next several weeks.

This is an interesting article on why no quad elements in pairs now. It mentions T/M were the last pair to execute a quad element in competition. https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2021/03/29/pairs-figure-skating-quad-twist-throw/

 

[Vash01]

S&Z were working on a quad salchow, and landing sbs triples consistently. In order to close the technical gap B&S also started working on a throw quad Salchow. People said to Tamara- Why are you doing this? Elena could get injured! I don't know if they ever landed one. I saw a video of Elena falling multiple times In practice. They did try it in a jump competition. I don't think they landed it.

I think Stolbova Klimov were training it and ran into injuries. Only Duhamel Radford and Kawaguti Smirnov landed the quad throw consistently.

G&G used to do a quad twist but they abandoned it because the benefit was not worth the risk. Same as what Duhamel said in this article.

S&Z And S&H both tried quad throw salchow in competitions. I think S&H may have landed it. S&Z came so close to landing it in the 2002 Olympics!

Kawaguti Smirnov landed it more than once in Competitions. Yuko was very courageous. They beat Duhamel Radford in a GPF if I remember it correctly. Was it with Manfred Symphony? (Could this be LP music for T&M?)

I don't want T&M to go for a quad, even though they can do a quad twist. I just want them to skate consistently clean and with confidence.

 

[Vash01]

I hope it’s a case of T/M declining and not being thought of as even alternate-worthy. They are scheduled to do shows in Russia over the next several weeks.

This is an interesting article on why no quad elements in pairs now. It mentions T/M were the last pair to execute a quad element in competition. https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2021/03/29/pairs-figure-skating-quad-twist-throw/

I think the Rus fed used results at worlds to pick the WTT team. In ladies they picked the gold and silver medallists. In pairs they picked the gold medallists and then the bronze medallists as subs. IMO T&M should have won the bronze. Their LP was cleaner than B&K's. They were behind by 9 points in the SP. in the LP they had only 5 points lead over B&K. Anyway it is water under the bridge.

In ice dance, men, ladies they picked two subs. In pairs only one sub. So there is a good chance that T&M declined to be the second sub behind B&K.

I think it is best for them to start preparing for the next season. This gives them an early start.

 

[Vash01]

I really like 'Happy Valley' music by Vanessa Mae. This music was created when Hongkong became a part of China. B&S used it for their SP in 1999. I was thinking that it may be a good music for T&M because the Olympics will be in Beijing. It is fast and powerful. However I won't be surprised if Tamara uses it for one of her pairs.

 

[Cherub721]

I'd bet T&M declined. They don't have any alternates in pairs (Pavliuchenko has mono), so there would be no reason for them not to give that slot to T&M, if they wanted it. Hope they're having a nice rest.

I don't believe Averbukh has ever done any pairs, but I'd love to see T&M be the first. Look what he's done with Kolyada. He made some beautiful ladies programs. I think he could bring a lot out of them.

 

[Vash01]

I'd bet T&M declined. They don't have any alternates in pairs (Pavliuchenko has mono), so there would be no reason for them not to give that slot to T&M, if they wanted it. Hope they're having a nice rest.

I don't believe Averbukh has ever done any pairs, but I'd love to see T&M be the first. Look what he's done with Kolyada. He made some beautiful ladies programs. I think he could bring a lot out of them.

Didn't Averbukh choreograph their SOS exhibition? It is beautiful.

If Averbukh choreographed Kolyada's LP, I am all for Averbukh as T&M's choreographer.

 

[aka_gerbil]

Didn't Averbukh choreograph their SOS exhibition? It is beautiful.

If Averbukh choreographed Kolyada's LP, I am all for Averbukh as T&M's choreographer.

He did!

 

[Cherub721]

I didn't realize that. If they already have a relationship with him, it's a no brainer.

 

[Vash01]

Instagram- yesterday they participated in filming of a Dimash show. April 6 they will be on Tuberitze’s tour.

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ETA - Zhenya said Adagio is their favorite program. In the picture they look happy.

ETA2- when I click on the link I posted it gave me video of animated characters. The photo I was trying to post had T&M.

 

[Vash01]

Trying again to post the photo

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Worked! I like this photo. They look so relaxed!

 

[aka_gerbil]

The date on the Dimash pic was March.

They are supposed to be doing a show in Kazan tomorrow.

 

[Vash01]

The date on the Dimash pic was March.

They are supposed to be doing a show in Kazan tomorrow.

Yesterday was March 31st

 

[aka_gerbil]

Yesterday was March 31st (at least for me).

My Instagram app has March 4 at the bottom of the post. Weird it’s giving us different dates on the post.

 

[Vash01]

My Instagram app has March 4 at the bottom of the post. Weird it’s giving us different dates on the post.

I didn't notice the date. Just the photo and the text.
If the photo was taken on March 4, it was before the disappointment of Worlds. If it was taken recently (I thought it was) it would mean they are looking forward. So confusing! Anyway, it seems they have some enjoyable things ahead- Dimash filming and Eteri's tour.

 

[aka_gerbil]

T/M skated to Bolero for the show. Evgenia did the most textbook perfect and gorgeous 3T.

As I’ve said... the jump issues are not technique issues. Sigh.

 

[Vash01]

T/M skated to Bolero for the show. Evgenia did the most textbook perfect and gorgeous 3T.

As I’ve said... the jump issues are not technique issues. Sigh.

Which show was it? Eteri's?

If T&M could be hypnotized to believe they are on practice ice and not in a competition it may help.

 

[aka_gerbil]

Which show was it? Eteri's?

If T&M could be hypnotized to believe they are on practice ice and not in a competition it may help.

Yes. Eteri’s show. I’ll see what I can find to share once I’m home tonight.

Someone really should try with hypnosis.

 

[clairecloutier]

Their consistency problems are all psychological. They have good jump technique. For me, it gets frustrating when people say they need to work with a jump specialist because that is not the problem. They need a psychologist, although I feel like it’s been mentioned that they have been working with one.

The throw flip would be a nice upgrade though.

I agree their jump technique is good. It’s odd that they’re having problems on side-by-side triple toes, because they’ve done many beautiful ones in the past. I’m sure it’s just a mental block.

They did add a throw triple flip into their FS for a time. I think this was the year after Pyeongchang. As I recall, they landed it fine on several occasions. But then they dropped it from the program after going to Marina, I think. This may have been because they felt their GOE was high enough on throw loop and Sal that they didn’t need the extra base value of the throw flip.

 

[Vash01]

I agree their jump technique is good. It’s odd that they’re having problems on side-by-side triple toes, because they’ve done many beautiful ones in the past. I’m sure it’s just a mental block.

They did add a throw triple flip into their FS for a time. I think this was the year after Pyeongchang. As I recall, they landed it fine on several occasions. But then they dropped it from the program after going to Marina, I think. This may have been because they felt their GOE was high enough on throw loop and Sal that they didn’t need the extra base value of the throw flip.

They used it in the 2019 worlds LP, based on a video I saw (also the creator of the video had replaced the music with SOS). They landed it fine. I posted a link in an earlier post.

I had wondered why They had dropped the throw 3f, when other pairs were doing the 3Lz or 3f in their throws. Now they are struggling with the throw 3S.

I don't like this strategy Of going for lower base value. Judges usually like it when skaters add harder elements. I noticed that they give higher GOE when the base value is higher. Going back to the easier throw and falling on it is not going to help them. That happened at the Russian nationals. Even later Zhenya seemed to struggle with the landing of the throw 3S. They are already starting with lower base value. They cannot afford the slightest error. Better basic skating and complex choreography cannot make up for lower TES.

 

[pairsicedance]

As far as I remember, they were struggling with the 3ThF during the 2018 GP season, so I think they took it out before 2019 Euros and haven't done it since.

 

[Amy L]

I had wondered why They had dropped the throw 3f, when other pairs were doing the 3Lz or 3f in their throws. Now they are struggling with the throw 3S.

I don't think Zhenya ever got that comfortable with it, she had said that she felt like she was going to land on her head whenever something went wrong.

 

[clairecloutier]

As far as I remember, they were struggling with the 3ThF during the 2018 GP season, so I think they took it out before 2019 Euros and haven't done it since.

Looking at protocols from fall 2019, it appears that they got +GOE on 2 attempts out of 4 on the throw 3F that fall (in international competition).

And yes, they took it out and were back to throw triple Salchow at Russian Nationals that year.

 

[mjb52]

I can't decide whether knowing a lot of fans care about them and want them to do well would help or put more pressure on Zhenya! Nonetheless, I hope they know that people want them to succeed. It must be weird to still have their training situation slightly uncertain - will they go back to Zueva, or stay in Moscow, or what?

 

[aka_gerbil]

I can't decide whether knowing a lot of fans care about them and want them to do well would help or put more pressure on Zhenya! Nonetheless, I hope they know that people want them to succeed. It must be weird to still have their training situation slightly uncertain - will they go back to Zueva, or stay in Moscow, or what?

I wonder that too and if it just adds to the pressure they put on themselves.

They are at least going back to Florida for choreography, but I haven’t heard if they plan to stay or will go back home and train for the season in Russia.

 

[Vash01]

I can't decide whether knowing a lot of fans care about them and want them to do well would help or put more pressure on Zhenya! Nonetheless, I hope they know that people want them to succeed. It must be weird to still have their training situation slightly uncertain - will they go back to Zueva, or stay in Moscow, or what?

If she is going to crumble under pressure, it won't matter either way. They absolutely must conquer their demons regardless of what fans think.

 

[Vash01]

I was thinking earlier that until recently pairs were using mostly edge jumps in their throws (2A, 3 Sal, 3 loop and a rare 3A). There were a few throw 3 toes, which I felt were difficult as a throw, though easy as a solo jump.

Only in recent years (last 10?) they have started doing 3f and 3Lz. I never skated pairs but from the appearance I feel that the toe jumps involving three turns must be more difficult (Lutz does not fall in this category). May be they are not.

The flip has been a difficult jump for singles skaters too. Some skaters just could not master the Axel jump, but pairs easily did throw 2A. Dick Button often spoke about the treacherous forward outside edge in an Axel. These days nobody does the throw 2A.

Now even the lower level (junior) skaters go for lutz and flip for sbs and throws. For many years pairs liked the edge jumps better. I don't see the loop as an easy jump but for a throw it may be easier. Petrova Tikhonv switched from a throw 3t to a throw 3R For the higher point value.

What I am driving at is if a pair is used to doing only edge throws they will need an adjustment period to switch to a toe jump, particularly the flip, which is known to give even solo skaters problems due to the edge change (Getting on the inside edge).

Perhaps T&M should have given themselves more time to become comfortable with the throw 3f. It is too late now. The Olympics are in 10 months. Is it too late to do sbs 3S-Euler-2t combination to get higher TES?

 

[aka_gerbil]

It looks like the new gala program is going to be “My Heart Will Go On” from The Titanic soundtrack.

Даниил Глейхенгауз on Instagram: "Один из сюрпризов, премьеру которого вы увидите завтра на нашем шоу, новая постановка для нашей прекрасной пары Евгении Тарасовой и Владимира Морозова! Ребята Мега профессионалы, было здорово с ними поработать и дать

20K likes, 427 comments - daniil_gleikhengauz on April 5, 2021: "Один из сюрпризов, премьеру которого вы увидите завтра на нашем шоу, новая постановка для нашей прекрасной пары Евгении Тарасовой и Владимира Морозова! Ребята Мега профессионалы, было здорово с ними поработать и дать им новые...

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[Cherub721]

Cool, I don't remember Daniil working with other pairs. I like that they're working with new people.

 

[Vash01]

It looks like the new gala program is going to be “My Heart Will Go On” from The Titanic soundtrack.

Даниил Глейхенгауз on Instagram: "Один из сюрпризов, премьеру которого вы увидите завтра на нашем шоу, новая постановка для нашей прекрасной пары Евгении Тарасовой и Владимира Морозова! Ребята Мега профессионалы, было здорово с ними поработать и дать

20K likes, 427 comments - daniil_gleikhengauz on April 5, 2021: "Один из сюрпризов, премьеру которого вы увидите завтра на нашем шоу, новая постановка для нашей прекрасной пары Евгении Тарасовой и Владимира Морозова! Ребята Мега профессионалы, было здорово с ними поработать и дать им новые...

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I don't like the Titanic song but it could be good for them. More emotion helps And telling a story.

 

[aka_gerbil]

Titanic is not my favorite movie and that song is not my favorite, but it’s just a gala program. I’ve seen some drama over this choice in some other corners of the internet, and I do not get it.