Sad but true, the men with multiple quads can win competitions no matter the quality of their programs or skating. Their PCS are then inflated to put them into contention. It's odd to think that Nathan's five quads from the 2022 Olympics may not be enough in 2026.
Russian figure skating news in 2024
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There is no indication a cease fire would mean Russia readmission. And because this has turned out to be the best period for the isu in decades they may demand total disarmament
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Yagudin/Medvedeva/Skoptsova talk to Anisina
I think it's possible to set the English subtitles with the automatic translate, will just put some highlights here.
On Fourner/Cizeron:
Yagudin: they are sexy
Anisina: I loved their FD, I did not like the SD at all. They have something. Everyone will be comparing with Gabriella, but the girl is different. I think she should lose about 10kg. You'll say its not important but I think it is, she is heavy. But she has something - she is moving better. While Gabriella was moving coldly and had lines this girl can be developed. But the 10 kg have to go.
Yagudin: can they win the Olympics?
Anisina: Think if she gets in shape they have a chance - her gliding and skating is good, they did a huge work together - thye have not been skating together for so long and it's not easy. When the partnership is lasting you sometimes don't even need to voice things, it's clear but here they have no experience.
Skoptskova: to lose weight so she'll look nicer next to him or so she would skate better and lighter? I don't think she has an extra weight, I think she has muscles.
Anisina: Yes, but she is big and it gives the weight and it looks worse. There is no visible lightnes. When I watched it was something that immediately stood out and bothered especially in the SD.
Q: were you ever told to lose weight yourself?
Anisina: I spent my whole life losing weight and for as long as I can remember myself I had to lose weight. We were weighted daily, Linichuk would send me and Krylova to run if there was extra weight.
Yagudin: so for an amateur viewer all looks great, but for a professional who had been through the Olympics and won it - it's better to see the lightness and not the power.
Anisina: with such a weight it's hard to watch and hard to speed up.
Medvedeva: Skoptsova and I were just discussing why they look so different than with Gabriella - ok, she was taller, but we had an impression that she is so much faster and he can't catch up with her.
Anisina: Cizeron can catch up with her just fine, but she is more lively than Gabriella. She is more femenine, she moves more, she projects more emotions and it's possible to get more emotions out of her. Gabriella was about the lines and not much emotions but this girl has it.
Skoptskova: so do they have a chance to win the Olympics
Anisina: It depends on a lot of things. The Americans and the Canadians are so much more experienced
Skoptsova: But the French have the judges
Anisina: huh?
Skoptsova: No, really , the French felt very confident, for example Lopareva/Brissaut felt very comfortable competing for France.
Anisina: as far as I know Lopareva/Brissaut were aiming for a much higher place than they ended up being. I don't recall the French having the judges. I paved the way without the own judge, but I don't recall them having any judges.
Skoptsova: It's not just the Americans and the Canadians but also the Shibutanis who came back and am so looking forward to see. The rumour is they skate in the closed arena, no one is allowed to go in, the windows are shaded, the music is only in the earphones.
Medvedeva: It looks like a commercial project really
Anisina: In the summer it's usually a secret- no one reveals the music, but not to such an extent.
Yagudin: I don't get it. Why make such a secret of what you'll be skating the whole season anyway?
Anisina: The dance was always about the show. The programme and the character when not revealed the first time gave a wow effect. But I don't know about the Shibutanis. As for the French if they have the judges - may be they have a chance. But really she has to lose weight. I may be oldfashioned, but... She is a good girl, but she has to take an action. I know it's tough but she should.
Skipping the part about Mishin - generally the journalists were asked not to reveal the music while Siao Him Fa and Malinin promoted their programmes. The foreign skaters are very open, are active in the social media etc.
Medvedeva: half a year before the Olympics I had to be turned off - no social media, no journalists, no cameras and you had to keep quiet.
On Piezerat:
Anisina: When I came to France Gwendal would re-tie his skates 4 times and spend 15 minutes kissing the others and wasting the time. I didn't speak any French and hardly spoke any English. I was the crazy Russian, we stopped twice. His parents really wanted him to skate. I brought the Russian style. Everyone - Romain, Marie-France, they are all from the same coach. When I came to France there were no Russians, I didn't speak the language but I wanted the result. I left form Linitchuk group and it was very amateur. Our first practice with Gwendal I didn't like it at all. I thougth he would be taller, his arms were not right.. I sent my mom a video and she was crying. Karponosov came with me and he tried convincing me that his gliding is so good etc. Ok, so I agreed to skate with him but we had to go to Moscow. But he was like no, I have my school, my gf, my mom, dad... I just came with a small suitcase and didn't plan to stay. I was shocked. It was a small prison till I learned some French. The 1992 there were no Russian speakers. \
Yagudin: the system difference is obvious - in the West pay for their ice time and they can afford to say hello and relax.
Anisina: Right, when we came to the rink and if Linitchuk was 5 minutes late she would ask why the ice is not cut. The French have a word `Pleasure' and it has to be everywhere. For us there is no `I can't, it's I have to'. But Gwendal had to have pleasure.
Medvedeva: How did you get an Olympic gold with that `pleasure'.
Anisina: It took time. My mom came, my coach and it took time and effort. I adopted a lot from their school. We worked a lot with the bar and the classical positions. They do modern. I saw it the first time andI thought I'll die. But in the end I realized I have to do both and that mix helped us a lot. Gwendal did a huge work in the bar with our Russian coaches. I had to learn the contemporary dance. It was a long stage. I was going mad- I wanted it all and now and it took time.
Anisina: I watched the video tapes and had to chose
Skoptsova: Now there is a website, you just go there and chose the partner. My first coach told me am not good enough and was pulling the partner down, I could had stayed in the group but not skate with him. My mom was helping the other girls to find the partners, so mom found Kirill's entry, though it was anonemous. We called and it was Kirill who I knew - I saw him in the kids competitions. He moved from St. Petersburg to Moscow and I went to the tryouts and that was it. The partner who dumped me because I was pulling him down and was not good enough for him - I beat him in all the Nationals and he never went to the Worlds. Marina inspired me. When I was a little girl crying my father told me about Marina Anisina and I thought ok, I can make it.
Anisina: When Averbukh switched with Lobacheva I was hearing from everyone that I was too fat and I lost a lot of weight before moving to France. I did not cry when we broke up with Averbukh, my mother and grandmother were crying - they thought it was the end. It was hard to find a partner who matched in the skating skills, etc. The 90s was not the time you thought about moving abroad - we had no money and no visas. I didnt' plan to stay in France for long, I went for the tryouts.
I don't know how the decision to pair up Averbukh with Lobacheva- Linitchuk had one option, Averbukh another and I don't now what is the truth. I think Lobacheva had a partner but she needed a new partner. Yes, it happens that the girls date the guy in order to skate with them, but I don't know what was the thing there. I dont' know what happened there. But it motivated me. We won the JW twice, and then we start the season, we have the new programmes, costumes, we came from the trainign camp in Switzerland and I was told by Nikolai Morozov and Averbukh couldn't tell me. I told him I don't want to waste time. And they were skating in my costume my programmes. And there I am - alone. Linitchuk gave me an advice - write a foreigner, there were no partners in Russia at that moment. I didn't have a motivation to beat Lobacheva/Averbukh, my dream was to become an Olympic champion and my dream was ruined. So I sent 2 letters - to France. To Gwendal and Kraaz. Kraaz never received my letter. Linitchuk went to a competition to France and passed my letter. Someone wrote the letter for me - I didnt' speak any French. As for the language - you get used to that , I learned a bit of French. I recall how I pulled his arm. It was hard. I didn't have a choice. I couldn't explain the things. On the ice some words are the same, but we got used to that in the end. You meet the partner every day. It's a bit like husband and wife just that in our case we were never dating. We became friends when we retired. We never had anything in common outside the ice. I recall the Christmas - everyone is resting and we are on the ice and I thought poor us. Even the coach didn't come. And it was just the two of us.
We were aiming to come back after a couple of years, we had the sponsporship, but Gwendal decided not to. He later told me I don't want to, I know you, you will attempt to win the Olympics you will not just skate for the fun of it. At that moment I was itnerested it. I was even offered to pair up with Schonfelder, but I refused. It was too much. With Gwendal it was the usual. We wanted to come back twice - in 2006 and in 2013. The 2nd time he didn't even take it seriously.
Yagudin: What about Shibutanis?
Anisina: I have to see what they can do.
Yagudin: do they do it for the same reason - just to come back and participate the Olympics again or do they aim to win?
Anisina: It's Gwendal who wanted to participate, I wanted to win.
Skoptsova: They are in an amazing shape.
Q: Medvedeva, will you come back for 1M$?
Medvedeva: hell no. I think the come back is not about the money.
Skoptsova : speaking of the comebacks - the 3rd place in the St Petersburg cup went to a guy who retired 7 years ago, played an amateur hockey, was a skater on a cruise ship and now came back. Efimchuk. His motivation to come back is to check whether he can. I think the athlete can't just come back for the fun of it.
Anisina: I loved competing much more than practicing dainly. The adrenaline - I loved it.
Yagudin: But we are talkign about different people - Marina, Shibutanis, Cizeron - they won the Olympic and world medals. It's a different motivation.
Medvedeva: So the motivation - I would never come back because everyone knows - Medvedeva won the two world championships and took an olympic silver. If I come back -w hat can it possibly be for? To win the Olympics. I will not come back - first of all I dont' need it, second I cant' win the Olympics. No one needs it. The guy who did the shows and hockey he comes back and he has nothing to lose - if it works - awesome, not - oh well, back on the ship he goes. If I come back either I have to win the Olympics or it's just stupid.
Anisina: in the past there were emotions when skating. Now the fashion is to lie down on the ice.
Medvedeva: If I did that I think Tutberidze would kick me off the ice.
Q: the price money for the Olympics
Anisina: The usual. But I payed much more tax than in Russia.
Yagudin: Did you get the dark chocolate? Had you stayed with Averbukh you would have received the dark chocolate!
Anisina: That's on Averbukh! We could had won twice. The money - the official money that we got. We didn't get the apartments and the cars. We got the same 100K as everyone.
Yagudin: Yep. The same.
Skoptsova: About 350K for the junior worlds (I think it's in rubles)
Medvedeva : I have no idea
Skoptsova: It's the only thing I ever won
Anisina: The ice and all was payed by the federation. The ice, the coaches, everything.
On Malinin's LP:
Anisina: I think there should be an idea.
Medvedeva: It will be interesting. His programmes are either `in your face' and straight forward or just a dancy programme. But here I think it may be something interesting. THe SP `the lost crown' it's something I would not take for the Olympics
Averbukh on Gummenik's programmes: It's a prayer and first he is looking at the skies and trying to catch the falling star and the luck
Anisina: it's the beginning of the season and the programme is not yet polished. Averbukh's explanation is lovely, but we have to give the programmes the miledge. The idea is always a good thing to have.
Yagudin; everyone has a great idea but after all it's about the jumps and the elements
Medvedeva: even if there is the energy and you knwo the athlete will be the best no one cares about the costume or the programme -t he energy will be there and the people will see what they want to see.
Yagudin: I hate recalling it - the first time I skated my `Winter' without 3 jumsp and Tarasova was told she is crazy and it's not an Olympic programme, she was telling them to wait and see how it will develop.
Anisina: we had the same - the GPF in Canada and we had 2 FD. We took previous year's Carmina Burana and won. And then the 2nd programme we hit the border and fell. We were told two months before the Olympics to take the Carmina Burana again, the crowd were on their feet, change the programme! I was so upset we lost the GPF but Tarasova came to me and said `Marina, dont' worry, you'll win the Olympics'. She was coaching Bourne/Kraatz and in Canada she came to me and said I'll win. She was coaching my mom.
Yagudin: It was a couple of months before the Olympics and in Canada but by then we knew who would be the judges at the Olympics. Tarasova came in tears and said `me and my Canadians may as well stay home'
Anisina: We didn't have a French judge either, my mom was crying that I may stay home as well.
Skoptsova: the Olympic programmes.
Anisina: I haven't seen Adam Siao Him Fa's programme - I know him quite well (earlier in the programme Anisina repeated several times that Siao Him Far is incredibly hard working). I like Malinin in general, and I dont' really see who can compete with him should be clean. There is still time to develop the programme. It happens a lot that what we see in the test skates and eventually are two different programmes.
I think it's possible to set the English subtitles with the automatic translate, will just put some highlights here.
On Fourner/Cizeron:
Yagudin: they are sexy
Anisina: I loved their FD, I did not like the SD at all. They have something. Everyone will be comparing with Gabriella, but the girl is different. I think she should lose about 10kg. You'll say its not important but I think it is, she is heavy. But she has something - she is moving better. While Gabriella was moving coldly and had lines this girl can be developed. But the 10 kg have to go.
Yagudin: can they win the Olympics?
Anisina: Think if she gets in shape they have a chance - her gliding and skating is good, they did a huge work together - thye have not been skating together for so long and it's not easy. When the partnership is lasting you sometimes don't even need to voice things, it's clear but here they have no experience.
Skoptskova: to lose weight so she'll look nicer next to him or so she would skate better and lighter? I don't think she has an extra weight, I think she has muscles.
Anisina: Yes, but she is big and it gives the weight and it looks worse. There is no visible lightnes. When I watched it was something that immediately stood out and bothered especially in the SD.
Q: were you ever told to lose weight yourself?
Anisina: I spent my whole life losing weight and for as long as I can remember myself I had to lose weight. We were weighted daily, Linichuk would send me and Krylova to run if there was extra weight.
Yagudin: so for an amateur viewer all looks great, but for a professional who had been through the Olympics and won it - it's better to see the lightness and not the power.
Anisina: with such a weight it's hard to watch and hard to speed up.
Medvedeva: Skoptsova and I were just discussing why they look so different than with Gabriella - ok, she was taller, but we had an impression that she is so much faster and he can't catch up with her.
Anisina: Cizeron can catch up with her just fine, but she is more lively than Gabriella. She is more femenine, she moves more, she projects more emotions and it's possible to get more emotions out of her. Gabriella was about the lines and not much emotions but this girl has it.
Skoptskova: so do they have a chance to win the Olympics
Anisina: It depends on a lot of things. The Americans and the Canadians are so much more experienced
Skoptsova: But the French have the judges
Anisina: huh?
Skoptsova: No, really , the French felt very confident, for example Lopareva/Brissaut felt very comfortable competing for France.
Anisina: as far as I know Lopareva/Brissaut were aiming for a much higher place than they ended up being. I don't recall the French having the judges. I paved the way without the own judge, but I don't recall them having any judges.
Skoptsova: It's not just the Americans and the Canadians but also the Shibutanis who came back and am so looking forward to see. The rumour is they skate in the closed arena, no one is allowed to go in, the windows are shaded, the music is only in the earphones.
Medvedeva: It looks like a commercial project really
Anisina: In the summer it's usually a secret- no one reveals the music, but not to such an extent.
Yagudin: I don't get it. Why make such a secret of what you'll be skating the whole season anyway?
Anisina: The dance was always about the show. The programme and the character when not revealed the first time gave a wow effect. But I don't know about the Shibutanis. As for the French if they have the judges - may be they have a chance. But really she has to lose weight. I may be oldfashioned, but... She is a good girl, but she has to take an action. I know it's tough but she should.
Skipping the part about Mishin - generally the journalists were asked not to reveal the music while Siao Him Fa and Malinin promoted their programmes. The foreign skaters are very open, are active in the social media etc.
Medvedeva: half a year before the Olympics I had to be turned off - no social media, no journalists, no cameras and you had to keep quiet.
On Piezerat:
Anisina: When I came to France Gwendal would re-tie his skates 4 times and spend 15 minutes kissing the others and wasting the time. I didn't speak any French and hardly spoke any English. I was the crazy Russian, we stopped twice. His parents really wanted him to skate. I brought the Russian style. Everyone - Romain, Marie-France, they are all from the same coach. When I came to France there were no Russians, I didn't speak the language but I wanted the result. I left form Linitchuk group and it was very amateur. Our first practice with Gwendal I didn't like it at all. I thougth he would be taller, his arms were not right.. I sent my mom a video and she was crying. Karponosov came with me and he tried convincing me that his gliding is so good etc. Ok, so I agreed to skate with him but we had to go to Moscow. But he was like no, I have my school, my gf, my mom, dad... I just came with a small suitcase and didn't plan to stay. I was shocked. It was a small prison till I learned some French. The 1992 there were no Russian speakers. \
Yagudin: the system difference is obvious - in the West pay for their ice time and they can afford to say hello and relax.
Anisina: Right, when we came to the rink and if Linitchuk was 5 minutes late she would ask why the ice is not cut. The French have a word `Pleasure' and it has to be everywhere. For us there is no `I can't, it's I have to'. But Gwendal had to have pleasure.
Medvedeva: How did you get an Olympic gold with that `pleasure'.
Anisina: It took time. My mom came, my coach and it took time and effort. I adopted a lot from their school. We worked a lot with the bar and the classical positions. They do modern. I saw it the first time andI thought I'll die. But in the end I realized I have to do both and that mix helped us a lot. Gwendal did a huge work in the bar with our Russian coaches. I had to learn the contemporary dance. It was a long stage. I was going mad- I wanted it all and now and it took time.
Anisina: I watched the video tapes and had to chose
Skoptsova: Now there is a website, you just go there and chose the partner. My first coach told me am not good enough and was pulling the partner down, I could had stayed in the group but not skate with him. My mom was helping the other girls to find the partners, so mom found Kirill's entry, though it was anonemous. We called and it was Kirill who I knew - I saw him in the kids competitions. He moved from St. Petersburg to Moscow and I went to the tryouts and that was it. The partner who dumped me because I was pulling him down and was not good enough for him - I beat him in all the Nationals and he never went to the Worlds. Marina inspired me. When I was a little girl crying my father told me about Marina Anisina and I thought ok, I can make it.
Anisina: When Averbukh switched with Lobacheva I was hearing from everyone that I was too fat and I lost a lot of weight before moving to France. I did not cry when we broke up with Averbukh, my mother and grandmother were crying - they thought it was the end. It was hard to find a partner who matched in the skating skills, etc. The 90s was not the time you thought about moving abroad - we had no money and no visas. I didnt' plan to stay in France for long, I went for the tryouts.
I don't know how the decision to pair up Averbukh with Lobacheva- Linitchuk had one option, Averbukh another and I don't now what is the truth. I think Lobacheva had a partner but she needed a new partner. Yes, it happens that the girls date the guy in order to skate with them, but I don't know what was the thing there. I dont' know what happened there. But it motivated me. We won the JW twice, and then we start the season, we have the new programmes, costumes, we came from the trainign camp in Switzerland and I was told by Nikolai Morozov and Averbukh couldn't tell me. I told him I don't want to waste time. And they were skating in my costume my programmes. And there I am - alone. Linitchuk gave me an advice - write a foreigner, there were no partners in Russia at that moment. I didn't have a motivation to beat Lobacheva/Averbukh, my dream was to become an Olympic champion and my dream was ruined. So I sent 2 letters - to France. To Gwendal and Kraaz. Kraaz never received my letter. Linitchuk went to a competition to France and passed my letter. Someone wrote the letter for me - I didnt' speak any French. As for the language - you get used to that , I learned a bit of French. I recall how I pulled his arm. It was hard. I didn't have a choice. I couldn't explain the things. On the ice some words are the same, but we got used to that in the end. You meet the partner every day. It's a bit like husband and wife just that in our case we were never dating. We became friends when we retired. We never had anything in common outside the ice. I recall the Christmas - everyone is resting and we are on the ice and I thought poor us. Even the coach didn't come. And it was just the two of us.
We were aiming to come back after a couple of years, we had the sponsporship, but Gwendal decided not to. He later told me I don't want to, I know you, you will attempt to win the Olympics you will not just skate for the fun of it. At that moment I was itnerested it. I was even offered to pair up with Schonfelder, but I refused. It was too much. With Gwendal it was the usual. We wanted to come back twice - in 2006 and in 2013. The 2nd time he didn't even take it seriously.
Yagudin: What about Shibutanis?
Anisina: I have to see what they can do.
Yagudin: do they do it for the same reason - just to come back and participate the Olympics again or do they aim to win?
Anisina: It's Gwendal who wanted to participate, I wanted to win.
Skoptsova: They are in an amazing shape.
Q: Medvedeva, will you come back for 1M$?
Medvedeva: hell no. I think the come back is not about the money.
Skoptsova : speaking of the comebacks - the 3rd place in the St Petersburg cup went to a guy who retired 7 years ago, played an amateur hockey, was a skater on a cruise ship and now came back. Efimchuk. His motivation to come back is to check whether he can. I think the athlete can't just come back for the fun of it.
Anisina: I loved competing much more than practicing dainly. The adrenaline - I loved it.
Yagudin: But we are talkign about different people - Marina, Shibutanis, Cizeron - they won the Olympic and world medals. It's a different motivation.
Medvedeva: So the motivation - I would never come back because everyone knows - Medvedeva won the two world championships and took an olympic silver. If I come back -w hat can it possibly be for? To win the Olympics. I will not come back - first of all I dont' need it, second I cant' win the Olympics. No one needs it. The guy who did the shows and hockey he comes back and he has nothing to lose - if it works - awesome, not - oh well, back on the ship he goes. If I come back either I have to win the Olympics or it's just stupid.
Anisina: in the past there were emotions when skating. Now the fashion is to lie down on the ice.
Medvedeva: If I did that I think Tutberidze would kick me off the ice.
Q: the price money for the Olympics
Anisina: The usual. But I payed much more tax than in Russia.
Yagudin: Did you get the dark chocolate? Had you stayed with Averbukh you would have received the dark chocolate!
Anisina: That's on Averbukh! We could had won twice. The money - the official money that we got. We didn't get the apartments and the cars. We got the same 100K as everyone.
Yagudin: Yep. The same.
Skoptsova: About 350K for the junior worlds (I think it's in rubles)
Medvedeva : I have no idea
Skoptsova: It's the only thing I ever won
Anisina: The ice and all was payed by the federation. The ice, the coaches, everything.
On Malinin's LP:
Anisina: I think there should be an idea.
Medvedeva: It will be interesting. His programmes are either `in your face' and straight forward or just a dancy programme. But here I think it may be something interesting. THe SP `the lost crown' it's something I would not take for the Olympics
Averbukh on Gummenik's programmes: It's a prayer and first he is looking at the skies and trying to catch the falling star and the luck
Anisina: it's the beginning of the season and the programme is not yet polished. Averbukh's explanation is lovely, but we have to give the programmes the miledge. The idea is always a good thing to have.
Yagudin; everyone has a great idea but after all it's about the jumps and the elements
Medvedeva: even if there is the energy and you knwo the athlete will be the best no one cares about the costume or the programme -t he energy will be there and the people will see what they want to see.
Yagudin: I hate recalling it - the first time I skated my `Winter' without 3 jumsp and Tarasova was told she is crazy and it's not an Olympic programme, she was telling them to wait and see how it will develop.
Anisina: we had the same - the GPF in Canada and we had 2 FD. We took previous year's Carmina Burana and won. And then the 2nd programme we hit the border and fell. We were told two months before the Olympics to take the Carmina Burana again, the crowd were on their feet, change the programme! I was so upset we lost the GPF but Tarasova came to me and said `Marina, dont' worry, you'll win the Olympics'. She was coaching Bourne/Kraatz and in Canada she came to me and said I'll win. She was coaching my mom.
Yagudin: It was a couple of months before the Olympics and in Canada but by then we knew who would be the judges at the Olympics. Tarasova came in tears and said `me and my Canadians may as well stay home'
Anisina: We didn't have a French judge either, my mom was crying that I may stay home as well.
Skoptsova: the Olympic programmes.
Anisina: I haven't seen Adam Siao Him Fa's programme - I know him quite well (earlier in the programme Anisina repeated several times that Siao Him Far is incredibly hard working). I like Malinin in general, and I dont' really see who can compete with him should be clean. There is still time to develop the programme. It happens a lot that what we see in the test skates and eventually are two different programmes.
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Russians and weight. 
In my best dreams I look like Lolo at least once in my life - total fantasy. She’s amazingly fit.
In my best dreams I look like Lolo at least once in my life - total fantasy. She’s amazingly fit.
Evgeniafan
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I want her abs.Russians and weight.
Tesla
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Oh, hell NO! Laurence is ripped and looks amazing. 
Spikefan
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(I think they are fine btw.)
TAHbKA
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? He is quite well spoken and has a pleasant voice. If anything - he is by far the best speaker among the 5 of them
kosjenka
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Marina was thin but incredibly fit and her back was full muscle at the Olympics in 2002. I can never forget her back in that flamenco dress..
I don’t wanna know what she would say about Taschlerova….
I don’t wanna know what she would say about Taschlerova….
I just don't like him for what he's said, is all.
I don't doubt he's a good speaker or knows about skating. People never complained about those things with him.
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Lose 10 kg.?! 
She wouldn't have the strength to compete effectively!
I stopped reading after that.
She wouldn't have the strength to compete effectively!I stopped reading after that.
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The woman is obsessed. Sounds like she'd like to see all the women waste away to nothing. 
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Victimized become victimizers, a common enough story. But 10 pounds would be too much for Laurence, 10 kg would be skeletal.
caseyedwards
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You know American coaches bully their women skaters into having anorexia and bulimia! Maybe the men too probably I don’t knowRussians and weight.
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When you find me even 50% of the American skaters reporting their coaches weigh-ins during their competitive days the way Russians have…water restrictions….clearly disordered eating being encouraged…plus people in position of power bluntly calling skaters fat in public…yeah I’ll give in to bothsidism. Of course it shouldn’t happen anywhere, and unfortunately it does, but the Russians make a public fetish out of it.
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