Question About Quad Throw in Pairs Skating

[brennele]

It is astonishing how much skill is involved in these maneuvers and how potentially dangerous they really are. The links of the accident which have been provided were very painful to watch. I read in an article where FS is a sport involving much pain to the participants. Again, as the field narrows concerning which men can participate as singles skaters due to the emphasis on quads these days, we may see more men go into pairs skating; particularly the very strong ones.

 

[Erin]

I think the poster on Golden Skate giving their opinion about cheated jumps is wrong.

It is very obvious to me that throw jump technique basically involves the man holding on to the woman through most of the first rotation.

Agreed. I watched a number of throws, including the Shen & Zhao example given by the Golden skate poster and they have the exact same technique, where Zhao held on to Shen for the most of the first rotation, on both their quad throw and their triples. If the current skaters are cheating then so were the past skaters. I think it's just the way the skill is done.

 

[ChiquitaBanana]

Where is @5Ali3 when we need him/her?

According to the technical panel handbook for pairs



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But I don't think that's what you're referring to.

All rotational jumps in skating rely on rotation that begins as the skater leaves the ice, most rotating in the same direction as the takeoff edge, counterrotated jumps like lutz and walley working against the entry edge to reverse direction. You can't really jump up in a straight line with no rotation at all until after you leave the the ice. The rotation begins on the ice or at the point of takeoff and then accelerates as the skater pulls in in the air; it doesn't start from nothing after the skater is in the air.

With a salchow, the takeoff edge is already rotating on the ice and the skater just increases the speed of that rotation in the air by pulling in.

I don't know as much about pairs technique and throws, but my understanding is that the the rotation starts from when the lady's blade leaves the ice same as if she were doing the jump on her own.

We could use someone who has actually done pair skating and preferably served on a pairs technical panel to clarify.

Totally... And I come from the pair skating community.