Papadakis/Cizeron #5 - We're In Love With The Shape Of You

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What are the options for the second rhythm? I can't find the info anywhere, but I hope they'll be able to do something like that rather than some Frankenstein tango-waltz. And I want to see Guillaume really take the lead like he did in the Paso SD.
Since it's all about Gaby in this year's SD (and she's fabulous), I say yes ! :lol: Basically you can choose any type of rythm :eek: It's nice for skaters to have that freedom and scary for the fans because we're scared of what it could be. :scream:
 
I'm torn between wanting them to do a dramatic tango and wanting them to do a subtle understated slow-burn tango.

Totally agree with this. I think something very dramatic and snappy would be such a departure from their softness that it would be cool to see that edginess. But a soft slow crecendo tango would also naturally lend itself to their strength in line and movement.
 
I'm torn between wanting them to do a dramatic tango and wanting them to do a subtle understated slow-burn tango.
I'm a bit like that too, but little do we know we'll be getting something so different :GnP1: Last time they did Tango was more than 7 years ago and they were babies.
 
It's easy to spot those people because their posts actually show an interest in what P/C are doing. If someone only posts in this thread to defend another skater/country/federation, then no.
So I guess it's not possible to have an interest in what P/C are doing and still "defend another skater" when people here are essentially bashing not the skater, but the skater's fans? P/C are my second-favourite dance team, which is why I read this thread at all, but if people start generalized bashing of fans of other teams or, for example, generalized bashing of Canadian skating fans as a whole (which has happened here several times), I will post my opinion. If that leads people here to decide that I am some sort of crazed uber, then they clearly haven't read my many other posts on this board outside this thread (since the EZ Board days when many people on this thread probably hadn't even started watching figure skating, let alone had any actual knowledge of the sport).

There has never been any kind of rule on this board that "uber threads" (which didn't even exist in the early years of the board, as far as I remember) are some sort of "safe space" where people can say whatever they want and expect they will not encounter any contrary opinions. If people are so sensitive to alternate viewpoints that they want to put me (or others who will also post opinions they disagree with) on their ignore lists, that's totally cool with me! In the old days, that would've been considered an honour (the way "negative rep" was when that option was still part of the forums). :lol:

In more P/C related news, I would love to see them skate a more character-driven program in the next few years. There is lots of lyrical music that would be in the ballpark of their style of movement, yet still be more story-based than their programs of this past quad. (I think they could pull of a lovely Lord of the Rings program, for example - gorgeous music in the soundtrack of those three movies - or anything in that kind of fantasy realm, really.) I also think they would do a great job with Celtic-style music (Enya or something like Loreena McKinnett's "Dante's Prayer" that Michelle Kwan skated a famous exhibition program to back in the late 90s).
 
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(since the EZ Board days when many people on this thread probably hadn't even started watching figure skating, let alone had any actual knowledge of the sport)

Really ? The old sage argument ? Yeah, P/C brought me to figure skating. Sue me.

I don't mind people coming here to talk about P/C without being fans really but :
- blaming fans here for seing P/C as gods reincarnated is stupid. If there's a place where we can express that we think they invented ice dance, ice skating, ballet and Nutella it's here. We don't need to add "but V/M's Mahler was balletic and they've done everything style of dance and actually they're GOAT" for balance (edit : that's not in reaction to you but another poster)
- blaming fans here for thinking they are more sane than V/M's fan I don't see your point. Realistically, it's not the place people will agree with you, espescially if you're right and we are as crazy as any other fan threads. So either you went for a fight or you're not very good at arguing. Do you really think the Tumblr you've quoted was proof of P/C's fans craziness ? If I counter with a crazy Tumblr from a V/M über and we go back and forth ad nauseam do you think it would be an interesting debate, that in the end, we could have come to an interesting conclusion ?

If you want to prove definitively for the sake of science that P/C über are the worst then you need :
- an analysis of French twitter feed of anything related to both skaters, separated in two groups 1) About V/M 2) About P/C
- In those two groups an sentiment analysis of positive/negative feedback (If you want to do it automatically have a look here : https://french.stackexchange.com/qu...-sentiment-classification-api-for-french-text)
- About the negative feedback, separate the hate from the simply negative
- Now, determine if the author of the tweets is from France, Canada (Quebec) since the French language is not discriminative there, or another country.

Do the same for the English twitter (Don't forget the ISUiscancelled hashtag !).
Then, of the people who posted positive comments for one team, did they posted negative comments for the other ? I'll need the stats.

Once you've done it for twitter, do it for the other social media platforms. Oh, and on Ao3 (a fan fiction website) to see how many fans of these teams are shippers. That's the easiest. The fact that it is relevant to craziness is debatable, bit it'll make a nice side stat in few time nonetheless (spoil : if you search for "Tessa Virtue" and "Guillaume Cizeron" in Ao3, it's 174 vs. 11. Now filter to get only the shippers).

And then we'll have an imperfect basis for the debate you want. Plus I think if you know LaTeX you can publish at a scientific conference as a bonus. Bring the debate to an even bigger platform.

On a more serious tone : I do not think that P/C fans are more sane than V/M. I just feel that the hate coming against P/C is bigger, but for me that that's mostly because the fanbase is bigger, like I've written before. That's empiric, and you'll just answer to me "no I don't think so the hate is not bigger", it would not lead anywhere so I did not bother with answering that at the time.

When I see your message I do not care if you're a fan of P/C or not (sorry I don't stalk you I guess ?), I just read the content of your message and you had nothing nice to say about them and negative things to say about fans so, while I do not think you're a troll, I think you came here to fight then (it can happen to the best of us).

(I think they could pull of a lovely Lord of the Rings program, for example - gorgeous music in the soundtrack of those three movies - or anything in that kind of fantasy realm, really.) I also think they would do a great job with Celtic-style music (Enya or something like Loreena McKinnett's "Dante's Prayer" that Michelle Kwan skated a famous exhibition program to back in the late 90s).

Ha, you're really into Celtic things huh ? Certainly if they do that nobody could accuse them of doing the same lyrical style :D (debatable if they do LOTR)

Their coach (Hagenauer) did a Celtic dance once, it's one of its only videos as a competitor I think : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmQraWUfk0I&t=91s
Not bad !
 
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Of course PapaCiz invented Ice Dance. How could it be otherwise ? Christopher Dean and Jayne Torvill are just placeholders of GOATs anyway. But the four of them together met up in Canton, Michigan discussing how they could build a PapaCiz statue in the Center City of Moscow. They were drawing it on paper first (well Guillaume was because he invented drawing too), and thought their costume could be brown. Gaby managed to invent chemical pasta that would be used to paint the statue. Since she's always hungry, she decided to taste it. Little did she realized it was edible ! Then Nutella was born.

If you did not guess, it's the subject of my next fanfiction. It's Sunday, okay ?
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Fanfictions are very very scary, this is a level of uberdom that should not be reached for one's sanity and I did not know it existed for figure skating. Well maybe for Hanyu I guess, but it's not normal anyway.
 
To be honest I like fanfictions about a book I love (a lot of published book are classy fanfictions, anyway, how many retelling of Austen books can you find in a bookstore ?). The fact that it's free is pretty cool when you want something to read.

Shipping fanfictions on the other hand about real living people makes me very uneasy, always have. I don't know how much it can bother the actors or in this case the skaters. Maybe in some cases it doesn't (and not all real-people fan fiction are about romance, I do not think friendship stories can upset anyone). For me it's still the sign that the person has been objectified to the point of non-return when you ship her/him in a story.

Edit : Oh that's how the Nutella discovery happened ? I knew they created it, never knew the story behind it. Great that T/D had a hand in this as well.

Edit 2 : Okay Anyasnake, if you write that story, honestly I would totally read it.
 
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Nutella and macaron, after all Guillaume is French and professed his love for those little suckers, I would think Gaby had a hand into foie gras as well.
Thanks @Viscaro and @Anyasnake for the good laugh. The funny thing about people trying to curb your enthusiasm is it has the exact opposite on me. OTT compliments galore.
News from our trusted friend over at GS for those who don't peek in that forum, they were back training on the 6th and had a great time on Dancing on ice.
 
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Okay I changed my mind we don't need a scientific study anymore we just PROVED we're the sanest of them all. Pretty sure everyone who thought us crazy changed his mind. Debate closed. :rofl:

Moving on, I really liked Tarassova's comments on their Olympics FD and the New Yorker article because they focus on Gabby a bit more. I was like, finally, someone who gets me. I always watch Gabriella more than Guillaume. She really impressed me starting from their To Build a Home season. I remember in their Waltz SD the B.ESP made a comment like "I made a point of watching her because I watch him" and I was like :confused: why do you need a point ? And then he said "She's really good" and the other commentator answered "Oh really ?!" and I was "duh, of course !".

I mean, I really think she shows... something. It's not seduction exactly, it's something between grace and strength, but with a weakness as well (edit : I know. It doesn't make sense), I love it. That's what really got my attention in their partnership.

Also, talking about the olympics FD (https://www.olympicchannel.com/en/playback/gabriella-papadakis-guillaume-cizeron/) is it me or is MFD crying at the end ? I might read too much into this. When I'm at the point when I ask myself if a small figure is their choreographer and is crying, I'm pretty far gone :D
 
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Okay I changed my mind we don't need a scientific study anymore we just PROVED we're the sanest of them all. Pretty sure everyone who thought us crazy changed his mind. Debate closed. :rofl:

Moving on, I really liked Tarassova's comments on their Olympics FD and the New Yorker article because they focus on Gabby a bit more. I was like, finally, someone who gets me. I always watch Gabriella more than Guillaume. She really impressed me starting from their To Build a Home season. I remember in their Waltz SD the B.ESP made a comment like "I made a point of watching her because I watch him" and I was like :confused: why do you need a point ? And then he said "She's really good" and the other commentator answered "Oh really ?!" and I was "duh, of course !".

I mean, I really think she shows... something. It's not seduction exactly, it's something between grace and strength, but with a weakness as well (edit : I know. It doesn't make sense), I love it. That's what really got my attention in their partnership.

Also, talking about the olympics FD (https://www.olympicchannel.com/en/playback/gabriella-papadakis-guillaume-cizeron/) is it me or is MFD crying at the end ? I might read too much into this. When I'm at the point when I ask myself if a small figure is their choreographer and is crying, I'm pretty far gone :D
I tend to watch her a bit more at times, usually that's pretty equal though. The word you're looking for is either vulnerability, or softness. ;)
In their Waltz SD, Guillaume was very commanding, plus the elegant black outfit, the posture, and everything, so I understand why so many people were naturally drawn to him :D
 
Okay I changed my mind we don't need a scientific study anymore we just PROVED we're the sanest of them all. Pretty sure everyone who thought us crazy changed his mind. Debate closed. :rofl:



Also, talking about the olympics FD (https://www.olympicchannel.com/en/playback/gabriella-papadakis-guillaume-cizeron/) is it me or is MFD crying at the end ? I might read too much into this. When I'm at the point when I ask myself if a small figure is their choreographer and is crying, I'm pretty far gone :D


Is there a YT version of this video. I can't access it. Thanks. As a matter of fact I can't access any Olympic Channel videos.

I can't seem to find the OG B. ESP videos either.
 
Fanfictions are very very scary, this is a level of uberdom that should not be reached for one's sanity and I did not know it existed for figure skating. Well maybe for Hanyu I guess, but it's not normal anyway.

The most hilarious thing I learned on Twitter this last month: Guillaume/Yuzuru fanfic exists. Ao3 site. Someone please read it and tell us about it. I can't bring myself to do because I know the images will be seared into my brain until the end of time.
 
The most hilarious thing I learned on Twitter this last month: Guillaume/Yuzuru fanfic exists. Ao3 site. Someone please read it and tell us about it.

Really ? I think the Iron Man/Guillaume/Captain American fanfiction is more promising ! (on Ao3, again)

Edit : oh, and sorry, don't know any other way to access Olympics videos :(
 
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IMO, PC are at the very beginning of their careers. They still have so much to explore, and so much room for growth. I'm excited to see what comes next.

Well I know I haven’t been able to watch Chan in 2014 up until he fell. To this day I haven’t watched and I’m not like a #1 fan or anything.
 
I tend to watch her a bit more at times, usually that's pretty equal though. The word you're looking for is either vulnerability, or softness. ;)
That, and soulfulness.

Especially watching their FDs, I sometimes think, like: Damn, I bet if Gabriella started picking her nose mid-routine, I'd be still sitting here ooooh-ing and aaaah-ing about how soulful she looks and how choreographically meaningful that gesture appears... even if I couldn't say the exact meaning behind my vague impression of just general ~meaningfulness~ she's oozing :lol:

(I hope this wasn't too weird for you, @Anyasnake :p )
 
Really ? I think the Iron Man/Guillaume/Captain American fanfiction is more promising ! (on Ao3, again)

Edit : oh, and sorry, don't know any other way to access Olympics videos :(


Too bad but thanks. I'm therefore stuck with the French TV ones with those horribly parasiting and irritating comments by Monfort and Candeloro or the Tat ones with little less comments during the performances.
 
Too bad but thanks. I'm therefore stuck with the French TV ones with those horribly parasiting and irritating comments by Monfort and Candeloro or the Tat ones with little less comments during the performances.

I think the Youtubers who usually upload Olympic Channel and NBC videos are waiting a while longer so there's less chance of NBC forcing them down. In January all the NBC videos that were uploaded during US Nationals were deleted, but the ones that were uploaded a week or two later were left alone. I think we'll get them after the season ends.
 
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