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Flutzes weren't hammered back then though.I think the technical mark would have been held back with a solo 3T and flutz deduction.
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Flutzes weren't hammered back then though.I think the technical mark would have been held back with a solo 3T and flutz deduction.
But generally it was figures that gave them such good basics. See this is the thing, most skaters before the abolition of figures, save a few, would have had no technical issues, it was only after women's tech jumped significantly between 1988-1992 that questionable technique seemed to really come to the fore.It's difficult to answer that because earlier skaters and coaches would have adjusted their training regimens accordingly, some with more success than others.
Skaters competing before 1990 who had good basics like Dorothy Hamill and John Curry wouldn't have had to focus on compulsory figures and might have done very well under IJS.
In the 90s, there were a lot of women at Worlds who either didn't have a triple lutz or who only sorta-kinda had one or who would take a tremendously long and slow entrance into one to the point of crashing or nearly crashing into the boards. That was true even though many of the skaters through '95 or so had come up through figures. Judges were none too picky about edges...but you got totally hammered if you double footed the landing or even looked like you might have double footed.But generally it was figures that gave them such good basics. See this is the thing, most skaters before the abolition of figures, save a few, would have had no technical issues, it was only after women's tech jumped significantly between 1988-1992 that questionable technique seemed to really come to the fore.
Their interpretation, carriage and flow were amazing. Hamill and Curry would have rocked PCS.It's difficult to answer that because earlier skaters and coaches would have adjusted their training regimens accordingly, some with more success than others.
Skaters competing before 1990 who had good basics like Dorothy Hamill and John Curry wouldn't have had to focus on compulsory figures and might have done very well under IJS.
Hamill and Curry would have rocked PCS, indeed. Toller Cranston would have, too -- and he was notably not that great at figures. Trixie Schuba won Olympic gold just four years before Dorothy Hamill won, and Schuba was a terrible, awful freeskater - but an absolute whiz at figures.Their interpretation, carriage and flow were amazing. Hamill and Curry would have rocked PCS.
Conversely, I bet Janet Lynn would have rocked straight 10.0s across the board for her PCS.Hamill and Curry would have rocked PCS, indeed. Toller Cranston would have, too -- and he was notably not that great at figures. Trixie Schuba won Olympic gold just four years before Dorothy Hamill won, and Schuba was a terrible, awful freeskater - but an absolute whiz at figures.
Her Instagram profile says she's a single mom now: https://www.instagram.com/nicolebobek77/She's married and had a baby early last year. Seems totally in love with her life as it is!
We talk to Champion Nicole Bobek about what inspired her to skate then and now. She also talks with us about the challenges and joys of motherhood and balancing self care. We had so much fun as we chatted with her about memories from the past, recovering from injuries and her advice to adult skaters.
January 2021:
Her Instagram profile says she's a single mom now: https://www.instagram.com/nicolebobek77/
She and her 4-year-old son visited her circus ex in March: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4x4F10LE3e/
A recent interview (It Figures Skating YT channel): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jrrzPv4CgY
January 2021:
Her Instagram profile says she's a single mom now: https://www.instagram.com/nicolebobek77/
She and her 4-year-old son visited her circus ex in March: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4x4F10LE3e/
A recent interview (It Figures Skating YT channel): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jrrzPv4CgY
I think Nicole would've gotten lost in the shuffle behind Kwan and Lipinski anyways. For someone so naturally talented and able to sell a program, she had some real duds throughout 1995-1999, especially her Olympic season long. Her jump technique was so wild that it added to the excitement for me, but not when the program didn't work and it was a big ask for her to become totally consistent when she was bouncing around several coaches a season. And Kwan was insanely consistent for the most part. I really, really loved her Zorro short and her Motown interpretive program that was at every single pro-am in fall of 1998 before withdrawing from 99 Nationals and being done with that side of the sport.
HOWEVER, and this is a huge one- remember that Lipinski was sent to Worlds in 1996 by the vote of ONE person, 13-12 IIRC, over Bobek. Had she not, I believe I read a long time ago that the rules in place in the following season would've made her not even eligible to attend the Worlds (that she won), possibly unless she won a medal at World Juniors. I know that was the case a few years later, but I'm not sure about 1997 being when that switched. So you never know..
Polina talks to Nicole Bobek on her podcast this week. It's such a great conversation about Nicole's life!
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The Iron Butterfly: A Story of Resilience with Nicole Bobek
I interview 1995 National Champion and World Bronze Medalist Nicole Bobek on her skating career and life.bleav.com
And here is a clip, wow, I remember how figure skating was then, look at Nicole, gorgeous, what awesome skating.
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Polina Edmunds Bast on Instagram: "🗣 1995 World Bronze Medalist @nicolebobek77 on choosing music pieces she connects to and getting into character on the ice^ I interview 1995 National Champion, World Bronze Medalist, and Olympian Nicole Bobek on he
2,227 likes, 70 comments - polinaedmunds on December 18, 2024: "🗣 1995 World Bronze Medalist @nicolebobek77 on choosing music pieces she connects to and getting into character on the ice^ I interview 1995 National Champion, World Bronze Medalist, and Olympian Nicole Bobek on her skating career...www.instagram.com
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Yes, an absolute treasure. A gem! I am not a professional in analyzing figure skating at all, so imho, Nicole had a unique gift, talent. One can watch her skating in aw and forgot about mundane life for a while.An absolute treasure, this video Polina includes makes me miss 1990s figure skating and I wish it was still that way. Just look how Nicole moves…… I haven’t seen a figure skater move like that since her.
January 2021:
Her Instagram profile says she's a single mom now: https://www.instagram.com/nicolebobek77/
She and her 4-year-old son visited her circus ex in March: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4x4F10LE3e/
A recent interview (It Figures Skating YT channel): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jrrzPv4CgY
Dec. 18, 2024:Bobek comes off as a free spirit still and also recognizes that she was a free spirit in her career, too.
She misses spirals and classic layback spin positions in watching current skating.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard a skater say she wanted to be free and get to do lines.
She’s aware of what everyone thought of her many coaching changes. She still believes the changes were good for her—she needed them to stay motivated.
She describes Callaghan as very regimented like the military, but was a good environment for her, partially because Eldridge was going through the intense training, too. She went into 1995 nationals knowing that Kwan was the designated favorite so she was surprised when she won.
Fassi was more laidback and able to read her moods. She still regrets skating at Worlds after he died because she was not in a space to do well.
Her memories of Olympics don’t seem too happy, and she’s not sure what to do with the dated ‘90s memorabilia.
She discusses her drug addiction and arrest. She takes ownership of her choices and she later made different and better choices.
She also talks about her infertility journey. I wonder if she and Lipinski ever compared notes. She seems like a happy and content mom.![]()
Champions on Ice?Nicole was my favorite skater from 95-98. Got soooooo nervous when she came on like I do for Amber now.
I also LOVED Tara and Michelle, so it was such a GREAT time to be into USA ladies figure skating.
Nicole had that wow factor..... and elements she did like no one else ..her spiral and layback.... She emotes, got into a character and had speed and immense height in her jumps... SHE LITERALLY HAD IT ALL!!
I think it was her free-spriritedness that hindered her.. coaches said she could have done a LOT more practicing, more focus etc. Then there were the distractions.. breaking and entering (while she was actively competing) and later the drugs. Such heartbreak.... I think the should be co-Patron Saint with Pogo of the #TTW NO ONE ever gave me more heartbreak than Bobek, and no one besides her and Tonya had more off ice bizarre incidents.
The ONLY time I ever went to a Stars On Ice (or one of those things) was in 98 or so at USC and it was so I could see Nicole Bobek. She had on the red outfit with the circle ring that connected her top and dress portion and I believe did the Gloria Gaynor number.
Johnny Weir was dumped after winning a bronze at Worlds in 2008..I found it shocking that the USFSA had the balls to dump the reigning world bronze medalist from the 1996 world team. As others have said, Bobek's loss was Lipinski's gain.
For some reason, Nicole's home life always struck me as very unsettled. Thanks mostly to her natural talent, I'm amazed that she achieved as much as she did.
A shame Nicole couldn't put it together when it really counted. If she had skated her routines from the 1998 National Championships equally as well in Nagano, I'm pretty sure she would have won bronze.
It was almost as shocking as Russia leaving Tuktamysheva off the 2016 World Team. Granted, Liza came 8th at the 2016 National Championships after winning the world title 8 months earlier. Although in that instance, the Russian National Championships seem to be for the most part, the qualifier for Europeans and Worlds.
Champions on Ice?
Nicole was on The Tom Collins Tour, COI..One of those two. Was that what it was?
I think Bobek also did better at those fluff type of competitions that was so common back then. Bobek skating so well at that international team challenge and Metro challenge while bombing away at the important competitions was unfortunately typical of her skating. Also she had to skate/attempt 5-7 triples for the big competitions and with her training being so erratic she just wasnt keeping up.Louis, get out of my head. Everything you wrote here is exactly as I recall, as well. I was obsessed with Nicole back in the mid-late 1990s. Still love her. But while Tonya/Nancy got me INTO figure skating, Nicole quickly took over as my true love. Everything about her was wonderful - personality, looks, skating skills, speed, flow, artistry, huge jumps, great spins, that je ne sais quoi thing that very few have.
I followed her career very closely - for as much as one could back then without proper internet, etc.
My biggest questions surround July 1995-October 1995. What in the world happened? She skated amazingly well in July/August for the Champions of Ice Tour - looking fabulous and with an easy Triple Flip in spotlights. Then she competed in that International Team Challenge looking in the best shape of her life and won the competition easily. She won the Metropolitan Challenge on September 22nd. She still looked in great shape and landed a Triple Lutz and Triple Flip with ease in the Long Program. THEN ... fast forward 3.5 weeks later to Detroit for Skate America and she not only looked out of shape and unhappy, but couldn't land a Triple to save her life. What in the world happened within those 3.5 weeks!?!? She then went on a week later to the Starlight Challenge in NYC - which I attended, threw a rose to her, and she waved back (I could've fainted haha) - and she did not skate well there, either. I believe she landed a Triple Sal or a Triple Toe, maybe even both, but I'm not even sure of that. In November, she did "better" at Nations Cup. But she still looked out of shape and unhappy. It was after this - and performing on Nutcracker on Ice with an ankle injury - that she parted ways with Richard Callaghan (which I always thought was her biggest mistake in her entire career).
1996 Nationals killed me. She looked "better" than October-Nov 1995, but I don't know what kind of performance she would have pulled off in the Long Program there had she skated it. And wowww how prophetic that she wasn't picked for the 1996 Worlds team, allowing Tara Lipinski to get a jump start on her career.
I was ecstatic with her form and results in 1997 and early 1998 with Carlo and then Christa Fassi, but then Carlo unfortunately died and Nicole seemed to have other setbacks and injuries leading up to the Olympics. Her triumphant performance at 1998 Nationals was something to behold. I had such high hopes for Nagano. But then what happened between Nationals and the Olympics??? I can't imagine she would slow down training. And yet, she didn't look as IN shape. I always equated Nicole's poor performances to her "not being in good enough shape". But I don't know if that was the issue between January and February 1998! Maybe it really was her nerves and not always training issues. ???
In late 1998 I was THRILLED that she went back to Callaghan. She looked well-trained and determined again. She did well in those late '98 competitions (landing her nemesis, Triple Loop - consistently) and, word was that she was doing those multiple Triple triple combinations leading up to 1999 nationals again. She was also going to premiere her new Long Program to music from Titanic. I was salivating. THEN, she got her career-ending ailment.
Love Nicole. Always will. I follow her on Instagram and am so happy that her life has turned out well. But my biggest question remains to you Louis....... what do you think happened to her between 9/22/1995 and October 17/1995. It was like night and day.
Bobek skating so well at that international team challenge and Metro challenge while bombing away at the important competitions was unfortunately typical of her ska