Nepela Memorial - Men's SP & FS

tony said:
Italy uses a point system throughout the year to determine spots to the Olympics and Worlds. If he falls way behind Rizzo and Grassl (or even Frangipani), then no, there's no affording experimenting.

Also- his PCS are back to being trash. I really don't think judging panels know what to do with him and opinions vary greatly from event to event.
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Yes and no - Memola's advantage is the # of quads he can successfully do - especially if he manages 2 in the SP and FS. The criteria is written in such a way that even if Rizzo has a substantial points advantage, the FISG can basically send whomever they want of the 5 guys they have. It was written to benefit Grassl but it could also give Memola the spot as well and leave Rizzo (or Frangi & Circelli) out in the cold.

Hate Grassl's new program. He could have been skating to anything and just because he's dressed up like a Roman Catholic priest doesn't mean he pays even the slightest bit of attention to the music while skating, sign of the cross notwithstanding.
 
PRlady said:
Well if USFS was using these two comps for the Skate America TBD, welcome to Lake Placid Liam.
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Doubt they're using just these two comps. I'm guessing they're taking into consideration all of the Challengers this month & early next month. Tomoki actually has the highest CS score of the US men with 1 or 0 GPs.
 
Karen-W said:
Doubt they're using just these two comps. I'm guessing they're taking into consideration all of the Challengers this month & early next month. Tomoki actually has the highest CS score of the US men with 1 or 0 GPs.
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And once again, Tomoki is the next-highest on the alternates list and it would be foolish to give him a host spot that he will 99% get elsewhere. Spread the assignments. It's better off.
 
Well, that wasn't a complete meltdown for Kevin, but it sure was messy.
 
Bolero and Kevin were made for each other. It wasn’t bad jump wise by Kevin standards and the ending uses the music hilariously well.

And he wins very comfortably!
 
tony said:
And once again, Tomoki is the next-highest on the alternates list and it would be foolish to give him a host spot that he will 99% get elsewhere. Spread the assignments. It's better off.
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You're so cute, thinking you know best. Except that the Men have had even less GP withdrawals over the past 2 seasons than dance, so the chances of any man picking up 1 let alone 2 GP assignments are incredibly low.

Now, if you want to make an argument that it would be better for them both to have 1 GP in order to spread the wealth, then, sure, I'll go along with that. Liam's got the 2nd highest CS score of the US men with only 1 or 0 GPs. Or we can wait to see how Shinohara & Martynov do over the next few weeks, along with whether or not Tomoki can match or improve his score from Kinoshita Group Cup.
 
Karen-W said:
You're so cute, thinking you know best. Except that the Men have had even less GP withdrawals over the past 2 seasons than dance, so the chances of any man picking up 1 let alone 2 GP assignments are incredibly low.
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Karen, it takes one withdrawal. Broussard is still scheduled for Finland, for example, and he's questionable. There's still a high chance Tomoki gets a second event regardless of what happened in previous seasons. Maybe you should stop constantly telling people you know all? "Annoying", to use your word.

ETA based on your comment I don't think YOU remembered Tomoki already has Skate Canada? Because why else would you say a man picking up 2 assignments?
 
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tony said:
Karen, it takes one withdrawal. Broussard is still scheduled for Finland, for example, and he's questionable. There's still a high chance Tomoki gets a second event regardless of what happened in previous seasons. Maybe you should stop constantly telling people you know all? "Annoying", to use your word.
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You're the one who is pulling the "I know better" card here, telling anyone who will listen in both the US Pairs and now this thread, that it's better to give someone lower down the Alternates List (or not on it at all) the host TBD spots because skaters that high up are "likely" to get a spot. Would you like me to provide the actual data to support my point, which is that, depending on the discipline in question, the likelihood of actually getting a GP assignment as an Alternate varies?

If you read back what I said, I wasn't even arguing with you that Liam hasn't put his name firmly in the conversation for the SkAm TBD spot. I think he has, but I don't think it's a slam dunk decision - and certainly not due to anyone else's placement on the GP Alternates List.
 
Karen-W said:
You're the one who is pulling the "I know better" card here, telling anyone who will listen in both the US Pairs and now this thread, that it's better to give someone lower down the Alternates List (or not on it at all) the host TBD spots because skaters that high up are "likely" to get a spot. Would you like me to provide the actual data to support my point, which is that, depending on the discipline in question, the likelihood of actually getting a GP assignment as an Alternate varies?

If you read back what I said, I wasn't even arguing with you that Liam hasn't put his name firmly in the conversation for the SkAm TBD spot. I think he has, but I don't think it's a slam dunk decision - and certainly not due to anyone else's placement on the GP Alternates List.
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I know that there were very few changes in the mens rosters last year. But again, are you out here trying to say Tomoki doesn't have an assignment yet? I really don't get why you said "one let alone two" assignments when he already has one and as first alternate, he's the focus of said (second) spot. But please do send some paragraphs about what you really meant.

And once again, just because roster changes didn't happen as much last year doesn't mean at least one entry will change between now and the Grand Prix, because that's what it comes down to. I used Broussard as an example of one very questionable entry who is still there.

You're the absolute queen of "I know best" in every. last. thread. here and I'm offering up the opinion of the US maximizing their spots. Seeing how patriotic you are all the time, you think you'd be happy with that.
 
tony said:
I know that there were very few changes in the mens rosters last year. But again, are you out here trying to say Tomoki doesn't have an assignment yet? I really don't get why you said "one let alone two" assignments when he already has one as as first alternate, he's the focus of said spot. But please do send some paragraphs about what you really meant.
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Wrong. I said, not once, but twice, " US men with 1 or 0 GPs".

He is no longer 1st alternate, btw - Gogolev exceeded his score, so now, Tomoki is 2nd alternate.
tony said:
And once again, just because roster changes didn't happen as much last year doesn't mean at least one entry will change between now and the Grand Prix, because that's what it comes down to. I used Broussard as an example of one very questionable entry who is still there.
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If Broussard does WD from Finlandia as many of us are expecting, that spot would go to Gogolev not Hiwatashi. So, you can eff right off because, clearly, you don't know what you're talking about.
tony said:
You're the absolute queen of "I know best" in every. last. thread. here and I'm offering up the opinion of the US maximizing their spots. Seeing how patriotic you are all the time, you think you'd be happy with that.
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Oh, good Lord. Sore there much that someone can back up an argument with you with actual data? I never disagreed with the notion of spreading the wealth as far as the GP assignments go. All I did, to start this discussion you just HAD to jump in on and correct me about, was point out that this weekend isn't likely to be the sole arbiter in the USFS' decision on who gets the SkAm TBD spot because there are other CS events where US men with 1 or 0 GP assignments have competed in, with 2 more still to come. But, hey, you keep on thinking you really do know better and best. And I'll keep laughing every time a tech panel or judges decide to prove you wrong despite your encyclopedic knowledge of the tech rule book that has famous people like Judy Blumberg and Brian Boitano and Paul Wylie fawning all over you in Boston and stroking your already sizable ego.
 
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Karen-W said:
He is no longer 1st alternate, btw - Gogolev exceeded his score, so now, Tomoki is 2nd alternate.
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I'll give you that one. So Tomoki still has a great shot of getting a second event anyways as second alternate.
Karen-W said:
But, hey, you keep on thinking you really do know better and best. And I'll keep laughing every time a tech panel or judges decide to prove you wrong despite your encyclopedic knowledge of the tech rule book that has famous people like Judy Blumberg and Brian Boitano and Paul Wylie fawning all over you in Boston and stroking your already sizable ego.
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I mean by now all these personal attacks should be in PM, but you seem awfully mad and it's nothing new. You think you are the definite last answer on everything, including appropriate application of technical rules but you seem to not want to ever open the rulebook? Or go to events since that's such a big deal for you. 🤷‍♂️
 
Does anyone know who choreographed Jacob's free skate (FS) program, and why he changed from the Dune?
 
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