ISU Statement on Russia's war against Ukraine - Participation in international competitions of Skaters and Officials from Russia and Belarus

[On My Own]

Yeah I know, and it's a great idea, but who?

I had tagged three accounts on here before, they didn't seem interested. I'm sure you'll be able to figure it out for your countries, though, there must be many.

 

[Alilou]

Thanks for the tip! That's a really good idea to add to the contacts list.

Is there someone who wants to tackle that part of this? I'm happy to share the list for editing with anyone who sends me a PM.

I can help. DM me with details. I'm not even sure exactly what you're doing

 

[Alilou]

German Minister threatens not to give Russian athletes visas

Germany’s Interior Minister Nancy Faeser has threatened to block Russian athletes from entering her country if they are permitted to compete internati...

www.insidethegames.biz

 

[yurokis40]

The ISU can reinstate them however the canadian government is not obliged to issue them visas for next year`s worlds this isn`t the olympics.

 

[Hedwig]

German Minister threatens not to give Russian athletes visas

Germany’s Interior Minister Nancy Faeser has threatened to block Russian athletes from entering her country if they are permitted to compete internati...

www.insidethegames.biz

Read that yesterday in German media and for once I can be proud of German government. She not only said it for Germany but recommended it for other countries as well. I hope more pick up this particular tune.

 

[Willin]

I think that's the most likely outcome if the ISU and IOC reinstate Russia: they'll be allowed to compete, but they won't be able to compete in some competitions as countries won't give Russian athletes/coaches visas.

 

[Hedwig]

I think that's the most likely outcome if the ISU and IOC reinstate Russia: they'll be allowed to compete, but they won't be able to compete in some competitions as countries won't give Russian athletes/coaches visas.

They did in Japan. We saw Russian coaches there.

 

[Karen-W]

They did in Japan. We saw Russian coaches there.

They gave visas to coaches, not athletes. And it's been pretty well-documented that most Asian, African, Middle Eastern and South American nations aren't participating in any travel sanctions against ordinary Russians. I'm not even sure the US State Dept is doing that either, else there wouldn't have been a Russian "contingent" at 4CCs.

 

[Alilou]

I think that's the most likely outcome if the ISU and IOC reinstate Russia: they'll be allowed to compete, but they won't be able to compete in some competitions as countries won't give Russian athletes/coaches visas.

I hope France does it for the Olys next year.

 

[barbk]

I hope France does it for the Olys next year.

I thought there was a "must issue" agreement for visas for Olympic athletes.

 

[airgelaal]

In fact, it is easier to make sure that the russians do not receive a single Olympic quota. Then the problem just disappears.

 

[Karen-W]

I thought there was a "must issue" agreement for visas for Olympic athletes.

The IOC cannot compel the government of any host nation to provide visas, I don't think. The NOC and host city have to make their best effort to secure visas for athletes.

 

[Vagabond]

In fact, it is easier to make sure that the russians do not receive a single Olympic quota. Then the problem just disappears.

There would still be the problem with Russian coaches of foreign athletes (the Summer Games equivalent of Eteri Tutberidze, who coaches Daniel Grassl, who, of course, is an Italian).

 

[Alilou]

The IOC cannot compel the government of any host nation to provide visas, I don't think. The NOC and host city have to make their best effort to secure visas for athletes.

Yes this. It was one of the points made by the European fencing body to the international body.

 

[airgelaal]

There would still be the problem with Russian coaches of foreign athletes (the Summer Games equivalent of Eteri Tutberidze, who coaches Daniel Grassl, who, of course, is an Italian).

Of course, but it's not that simple. Coaches, like skaters, can have second citizenship. For example, Diana Davis can use her American passport, and Devid Narizhnyi can use his Ukrainian one.

 

[Vagabond]

Of course, but it's not that simple. Coaches, like skaters, can have second citizenship. For example, Diana Davis can use her American passport, and Devid Narizhnyi can use his Ukrainian one.

I am aware of that. But IINM, there's another wrinkle, namely that Olympic coaches have to be part of a national delegation participating in the Games, so those coaches would need not just a second passport, but membership in the same delegation as one of their trainees. If this is so, then a coach in a Tutberidze-Grassl situation, for example, would need not just a second passport but specifically, in this case, an Italian one.

 

[airgelaal]

I am aware of that. But IINM, there's another wrinkle, namely that Olympic coaches have to be part of a national delegation participating in the Games, so those coaches would need not just a second passport, but membership in the same delegation as one of their trainees. If this is so, then a coach in a Tutberidze-Grassl situation, for example, would need not just a second passport but specifically, in this case, an Italian one.

You don't need a passport to be part of a delegation. Only athletes need a passport.

 

[Vagabond]

You don't need a passport to be part of a delegation. Only athletes need a passport.

I assume that everyone would need  a passport to get into the host country.

 

[airgelaal]

A screenshot of the letter (2 photos) has been tweeted by Perdita Felicien: https://twitter.com/perditafelicien/status/1633975580742897665

ETA: Tessa Virtue and Meagan Duhamel are the 2 figure skaters who signed and Kaitlyn Weaver replied "I’m sure they would have had more than 40 signatures if it was sent to more people! Missing from my inbox "

Now Tessa and Meagan will not be able to come to Russia

https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1863094/

 

[airgelaal]

I assume that everyone would need  a passport to get into the host country.

Naturally, they need a passport. But in that example, Eteri doesn't need an Italian passport. She can be a member of the Italian delegation even with a Georgian passport.

 

[kwanfan1818]

The ISU apparently changed its rule for skaters forcing them to travel on the passport of the country in which they competed, which is what dogged Misha Ge during his skating career, forcing him to get visas on his Uzbeki passport instead of being able to use passports.from his other citizenships. Proof of citizenship and being in the country legally are separate.

I've never seen any requirement that Olympic athletes need to travel on any given passport, and proof of citizenship is part of what the NOC's provide when they submit their official rosters.

 

[On My Own]

Now Tessa and Meagan will not be able to come to Russia

https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1863094/

:'(

 

[Sylvia]

Meagan has retweeted the link : https://twitter.com/gabrielletf/status/1646147913842565122

ETA - and replied "Laughable" to this tweet: https://twitter.com/divades84/status/1646193798794321920

 

[kwanfan1818]

While I'm sure Duhamel and Virtue are crying into their beer, the interesting ones are:
327. Kimberly Prost - Judge of the International Criminal Court;
1. Mary Jeannie May Simon - Governor General of Canada;

A judge, and the representative of the British monarch who has a constitutional role in Canadian government .

(I wonder how many Wikipedia articles had to be changed when Charles III became King.)

 

[coppertop1]

Russia really thinks that the world revolves around them. They're like a bunch of spoiled toddlers.

 

[yurokis40]

Hopefully Trudeau has the guts to deny them visas next year for worlds let them sulk even more war criminals.

 

[On My Own]

yurokis is even more queen shit on this thread

 

[ellenpuff]

Russia really thinks that the world revolves around them. They're like a bunch of spoiled toddlers.

Is it fair to characterize a entire country based on their leadership? Would it be fair to characterize the United States based on their erected president from 2016-2020?

 

[Karen-W]

Is it fair to characterize a entire country based on their leadership? Would it be fair to characterize the United States based on their erected president from 2016-2020?

No moreso than it would have been fair to characterize all Americans as adulterers based on our elected President from 1993-2001.

 

[On My Own]

No moreso than it would have been fair to characterize all Americans as adulterers based on our elected President from 1993-2001.

Would it be fair to characterize the United States based on their erected president from 2016-2020?