Ilia Malinin Fan Thread!

tony said:
Something I'm confused about- what was the full question? Was there even a mention of PCS in it?

What he said was "Ilia, do you need to prove you're straight?" to which he looked annoyed, turned it into a PCS thing, and said that's how he would get better scores.

In any event, yes, dumb question, but yes, really dumb answer. Especially since it seems very geared towards Brown and Aymoz, who else could it be in this instance? But there's been a long line of skaters hauling around the ice with big jumps, arm flailing, and scoring amongst the highest PCS anyways as I noted above.

So it still doesn't make sense, and it didn't really come across as haha I'm jk everyone! as opposed to I'm annoyed and this is what I really think reality is.
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Right, a. the question was about his sexuality and he was the one to bring up PCS, and b. he's clearly bothered by the PCS scores he's been getting as this isn't the first time he's mentioned them. Given how gracious and supportive Jason Brown has been in his treatment of Malinin, I found this 'joke' to be particularly offputting because in addition to being offensive it indirectly targeted a person he should be much nicer to on a personal level.

In an Instagram live (I think) a year or two ago, Alysa Liu was asked if she was friends with Ilia Malinin and the only reply was, "I'm not friends with homophobes," which people (rightfully at the time) didn't pay much attention to because there was no publicly available info about specific things he'd done or said and he was still quite young, but it suggests this new gaffe doesn't come out of nowhere. Also two years ago Malinin was, again, 'joking' about "making racist jokes until I get banned" on TikTok.

He was just 16 at the time and boys that age tend to be terrible, and even now he's still school-aged. It's entirely possible he'll grow into a much nicer person over time, as some of my old classmates did, so I'm not going to write him off or anything like that. But I hope he takes people's hurt reactions seriously and makes an effort to learn why the stuff he said is wrong instead of becoming defensive or treating the whole thing as one big joke.

Sorry to bring these not-very-fannish comments to a skater's fan thread, but this seems to be the forum hot spot for discussing Homosexual PCS Gate and I wanted to confirm/share some relevant info.
 
Marry said:
You do know that he's not the only one who runs his social media account? In merch they hired a new managment team in Canada that takes care for this stuff, and there's still Ari :wall: Also, 18 in boys is equivalent to 12. And there's no need for extra "lessons" for a silly moment lol Imagine everytime you'd say or do something in the heat of a moment people would keep bringing it up to lecture you as if you don't already know this stuff 😂 There are more important things in this world to worry about
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I don’t know who Ari is or who manages his social media. They have press trainings at the camp as far as I know. I don’t expect they bring up any exact situations to those type of group trainings because that could be very uncomfortable when the point can’t be gotten across other ways. Of course there are other things to worry about in the world, no one said there isn’t. I have been a huge fan of Ilia since I first saw him on one of the sectional streams, even more so that I realized who his mother is because I was a big fan of his mother’s skating. Making excuses about his age is just that, an excuse. He apologized as he should have and I think we should move on.
 
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Marry said:
It was also late evening when he went live, he was yawning all the time and was kind of annoyed at a lot of things asked
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Just to nitpick here, but, no, it was mid/late morning in Virginia when the IG Live happened. I posted at 7:23am PDT that he was doing an IG Live and that was a good 15 min after it started. Now, it's entirely possible that he had only woken up a little while before the Live started, but as someone who's watched several of his previous Lives, he didn't seem any more annoyed about some of the questions than in the past - sone of them because they were rather invasive of his privacy, some because he is genuinely friends with Oliver and Andreas and wanted them to get some fan questions/attention too, and some because none of the guys get the obsession some in his fandom have with hooking him up with Sasha Trusova - if fanfic is still a thing, I could well imagine some really bad fanfic revolving around that, lol.
 
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Holy Headband said:
Right, a. the question was about his sexuality and he was the one to bring up PCS, and b. he's clearly bothered by the PCS scores he's been getting as this isn't the first time he's mentioned them. Given how gracious and supportive Jason Brown has been in his treatment of Malinin, I found this 'joke' to be particularly offputting because in addition to being offensive it indirectly targeted a person he should be much nicer to on a personal level.

In an Instagram live (I think) a year or two ago, Alysa Liu was asked if she was friends with Ilia Malinin and the only reply was, "I'm not friends with homophobes," which people (rightfully at the time) didn't pay much attention to because there was no publicly available info about specific things he'd done or said and he was still quite young, but it suggests this new gaffe doesn't come out of nowhere. Also two years ago Malinin was, again, 'joking' about "making racist jokes until I get banned" on TikTok.

He was just 16 at the time and boys that age tend to be terrible, and even now he's still school-aged. It's entirely possible he'll grow into a much nicer person over time, as some of my old classmates did, so I'm not going to write him off or anything like that. But I hope he takes people's hurt reactions seriously and makes an effort to learn why the stuff he said is wrong instead of becoming defensive or treating the whole thing as one big joke.

Sorry to bring these not-very-fannish comments to a skater's fan thread, but this seems to be the forum hot spot for discussing Homosexual PCS Gate and I wanted to confirm/share some relevant info.
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That is very disheartening to hear (Alysa’s comments).
 
For me, it is worth remembering that in 2013, controversy erupted over a thoughtless tweet from a very high-profile 18-year old Team USA skater whose worldwide popularity was sky-high. Racial insensitivity was the issue. Although she intended to make a humorous reference regarding a friend from a different federation, her tweet was thoughtless in how she made the reference, and I was among the many who found it offensive.
(At the time, some fans recalled another earlier instance when the Team USA skater showed racial insensitivity. I think the earlier instance had been more obscure. I had not heard about it in real time.)
After receiving criticism for her thoughtless tweet, the 18-year-old skater deleted it and made an apology, which I was willing to accept -- as were most fans.
AFAIK, she never repeated her mistake again, and her worldwide popularity is going strong to this day.

I wish Ilia had not made the comment about PCS, but I am glad that he made an apology.
At this point, I think I am willing to accept his apology -- as long as he never repeats his mistake again.
 
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On My Own said:
Is there any evidence of Alysa's comments?
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I'm not an Alysa-stan, so I couldn't say one way or the other, but I think it's irrelevant. As far as I can tell, they barely ever interacted with each other since they live on opposite sides of the countey and she was competing seniors nationally by the time he was in juniors. Even the one season they were both on the JGP, I think they only competed together at the 2019 Lake Placid JGP together and 2020 Jr Worlds. I'm not sure how much they interacted for her to form any sort of an opinion of him personally.
 
Karen-W said:
I'm not an Alysa-stan, so I couldn't say one way or the other, but I think it's irrelevant. As far as I can tell, they barely ever interacted with each other since they live on opposite sides of the countey and she was competing seniors nationally by the time he was in juniors. Even the one season they were both on the JGP, I think they only competed together at the 2019 Lake Placid JGP together and 2020 Jr Worlds. I'm not sure how much they interacted for her to form any sort of an opinion of him personally.
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Apart from these things I wouldn't know, I also don't wish for rumours like these to spread, because it'd be unfair to both of them. Especially Alysa who's unlikely to come out and clarify anymore.
 
Wait, so we are in an appreciation fan thread maybe someone can create a thread where this can be discussed separately if needed? The whole Alysa thing I never heard of either, what’s wrong with her saying she’s not friends with homophobes? Didn't she come out as bi or nonbinary? I can’t remember the specifics.
 
Sylvia said:
I don't think we need another thread for debating this topic but you can always use the TSL one since it was brought up there ;): https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/the-skating-lesson.109780/page-5#post-6426782
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omg I watched the latest TSL episode on YouTube last night, oh my gosh, the episodes are nearly 2 hours long, they go off on tangents. They started off with the whole Ilia thing and oh my gosh it was such a tangent. I want to fast forward some of their episodes but then I don’t know what I’m missing.
 
AngieNikodinovLove said:
yet again until you’ve walked the shoes of the LGBTQ plus person please your opinion can be kept to yourself. People of color, LGBTQ plus people can feel anyway they need to feel.
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See, I don't agree with this. That is a very stifling attitude to take and limits any sort of understanding that might be achieved by dialogue and honest, open communication.
 
Instead od reacting to everything with hate and anger and acting like this is gonna fix the world, everybody needs to work on themselves to not react this way. Bullying isn't doing anything good and if you're gonna "cancel" people for every thing that is not like you want it to be and act like this defines a persons whole existence, then you're gonna run out of people. Literally everybody has his sins and you're gonna have to cancel yourself too. Tiptoeing around people and who or what they are is ridiculous and as we see, creates more problems, not less. If that's the life some wants to have, good luck, but then don't be surprised about all the hate, since you also contributed to it.
And since Ilia's feelings matter as much as everybody elses and since he's not allowed to be a normal teenager with flaws, i from now one care only about his well being
 
To be honest, it's both humorous and ridiculous at the same time to read some excuses of how this is just normal teenager behavior. He's 18. If this comment was even the slightest bit about a woman, I can list several handfuls of posters on FSU that would likely be up in arms about it, and some of those same posters would keep reminding people that "he's an adult". And anyone who would argue otherwise would be lectured about how it's not their decision to say how other people should feel. Am I wrong?

I'm not going to decide it's the end of the world with Malinin, but I don't think the way he delivered the comment was really in a joking manner, as I said in a previous post. There was no underlying humor (not even an ounce of sarcasm IMO) in his tone or his body language. I'm also someone that, for whatever reason, can separate the skating from the off-ice comments and antics.. but that shouldn't be expected of everyone. But on the other hand, I have no doubt that the male skaters, starting from a pre-teen age, have to deal with constant comments about how they are either in a gay sport or that they are gay for partaking in such sport. The US may have become more accepting of LGBTQ, but kids also tease about stupid shit for no good reason. It's entirely possible that this is his defense mechanism for such behaviors, but hopefully he really did learn from it.
 
AngieNikodinovLove said:
Open dialogues are welcome, saying minorities are being too easily offended or too sensitive, is not acceptable at all.
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You seem to be a bit obsessed over this "minorities" thing. Instead of being and acting like an equal part of the whole, you prefer to be seen as an outcast. If that's your message, how do you think others are gonna treat you? I'm not running around telling people i'm asexual and that i want special treatment because i'm "different", when in fact, i'm not different, i feel i'm like everybody else lol
You need to get over yourself and build some self confidence or you will always find a reason to be offended or feel excluded. You think you don't contribute to this problem? Everything is always other people's fault? No wonder nothing changes, you don't want things to change, you enjoy the attention way too much
 
Marry said:
You seem to be a bit obsessed over this "minorities" thing. Instead of being and acting like an equal part of the whole, you prefer to be seen as an outcast. If that's your message, how do you think others are gonna treat you? I'm not running around telling people i'm asexual and that i want special treatment because i'm "different", when in fact, i'm not different, i feel i'm like everybody else lol
You need to get over yourself and build some self confidence or you will always find a reason to be offended or feel excluded. You think you don't contribute to this problem? Everything is always other people's fault? No wonder nothing changes, you don't want things to change, you enjoy the attention way too much
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This entire post is pathetic.

The problem is that people who are part of the status quo often don't want others who are not like them to be "an equal part of the whole". People are outcasted for being themselves. Look around at the political climate today and try to spew some more of that nonsense.
 
Marry said:
You seem to be a bit obsessed over this "minorities" thing. Instead of being and acting like an equal part of the whole, you prefer to be seen as an outcast. If that's your message, how do you think others are gonna treat you? I'm not running around telling people i'm asexual and that i want special treatment because i'm "different", when in fact, i'm not different, i feel i'm like everybody else lol
You need to get over yourself and build some self confidence or you will always find a reason to be offended or feel excluded. You think you don't contribute to this problem? Everything is always other people's fault? No wonder nothing changes, you don't want things to change, you enjoy the attention way too much
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you’ve shown your true colors enough already. Move on. If you know what I do for a living, you would have no idea as to my self-confidence. Bye Felicia.
 
peibeck said:
I think PR training could help him realize (and avoid) such baited questions in the future.
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Dear god no, the last thing US figure skating is a boring, rehearsed PR-speak "I'm just happy to skate my best" cookie cutter drone.

He made an off-color joke to a leading question in an informal envronment. He apologized and it's done. No need to cancel him or continue to rehash this for months to come.
 
tony said:
To be honest, it's both humorous and ridiculous at the same time to read some excuses of how this is just normal teenager behavior. He's 18.
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For real. My 13 year old knows better than this, but it's because we actually talk to him about this. Sometimes he brings up stuff, sometimes we do as parents. That's not to say he's never said anything insensitive, but he gets called out on it and learns from it. I want to think Ilia can learn from this too, but that remains to be seen.

The thing is, people weaponize their like or dislike of a skater to either trivialize or demonize their every action. Which, I mean, I guess that's each person's choice. But to argue about it for, say, 20 posts in a row is a bit much. We get it. You don't think it's a big deal. Move on like you so graciously are telling other people to do.
 
tony said:
This entire post is pathetic.
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Yes. This person is new and, if you look at their posts in this thread and in the U.S. Men's thread over the past week, it appears that they are a troll seeking to stir stuff up. IME, it's best not to feed trolls. YMMV.

tony said:
I'm not going to decide it's the end of the world with Malinin, but I don't think the way he delivered the comment was really in a joking manner, as I said in a previous post.
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I'm not even clear on what it is that people think the "joke" was much less how it would look innocuous. IMO, in addition to offending a number of people with the comments about being gay, he was stupid and showed contempt for PCS. He undoubtedly alienated many people not only for his gay comments but his comments about Hanyu. I think his attitude and comments would turn off not just Fanyus but some other Japanese skating fans as well. Given that he stands to earn a large percentage of his money in Japan, that seems dumb. The PCS comments gave me the sense that the Quad God resents PCS and perhaps doesn't even really understand what goes into the PCS score.

I thought he seemed defensive and annoyed in his NBC interview after the Worlds men's competition and didn't come across great. IMO, someone should have talked to him then about what he says and how he says it publicly. Maybe they did and it just didn't work. I also get the sense that he might not agree with what his team is telling him about trying to dial back the difficulty in his program so he can skate cleaner programs. I read somewhere that Ari said that the plan had been for Ilia to skate an easier long program at WTT but Ilia ended up going for more difficulty. (The layout listed during the WTT long program six-minute warm-up had fewer quads listed than he actually attempted.) Ilia seems to want to go quad crazy and win events like Worlds based on those quads without worrying about the rest of his skating. If he could land all those quads in competition, it might maybe work, but it's not the wisest gamble.
 
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The quad axel is 100% not worth it with its current jump value and the potential GOE loss/fall deduction. His triple axel is great and goe is good I don’t even understand the quad axel at this point besides wanting to be the first. It is not like Mirai going for the triple instead of a double. Even falling she broke about even.
 
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On My Own said:
Anyway, now he's getting attacked on instagram by fanyus for the thing @Karen-W linked to. The homophobia criticism also there, but as I said I don't mind it.
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I somehow missed this post huh
Fanyus obviously forgot Yuzuru is friends with a certain homophobic Spaniard 😉
 
It worries me that people throw around words like "backlash", "attacking" ect so nonchalant. But nobody gives a damn about the mental health of an 18 yo. It's a highschool kid at the receiving end. The frontal lobe ( prefrontal cortex) is fully developed at 25, in many ways he can't perceive things like an adult. So much talk about abuse and mental health out there, it's just empty talk
 
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