Can T/M be convinced to drop their catastrophic I feel good SP

[caseyedwards]

No one could convince them to drop their catastrophic disaster of a program to candyman but “I feel good” is maybe just as bad and because it’s after candyman makes them look so bad and worse even and like they can never be world champions

 

[skatingguy]

No.

 

[caseyedwards]

So they oppose being world champions?!

 

[wickedwitch]

Did you see what they had before? This is a huge improvement. I wouldn't risk them switching to something worse.

 

[caseyedwards]

Did you see what they had before? This is a huge improvement. I wouldn't risk them switching to something worse.

There is no risk! Going from one kind of poison to another isn’t improving!

 

[kittysk8ts]

This is so frustrating. I hate this SP. Their skating is exquisite and these awful programs do nothing for them. If they go for a 3rd short program though, it had better be perfect because they will start to look lost and uncertain etc. and that may not be helpful either.

Having spewed all of that, I do very much like their free. Haha.

 

[arakwafan2006]

Talk about an identity crisis. Do they just hate classical music? I could see the skating their shirt to the music Voronov used and being a class act. Not that they have to go
Warhorse but they move to James brown and whatever female vocalist that was destroying that song like geriatrics. They do not have soul but they are a gorgeous pair with the best elements. Did Maxim pick this? It’s ghastly for them. I feel like Zueva could make them over with her eyes closed

 

[Bigbird]

They seem so blissfully unaware of how ridiculous this program looks. Maxim seems to not care since they're getting their high points. Mozer is just bleh. If they had a clue the whole lot of them would have hired Aljona Savchenko to coach and choreograph for these two.

Such an absolute waste of talent.

 

[aftershocks]

Can any of the fs commentators be convinced to tell the truth about T/M: They are fab technical skaters when they skate the way they can, with long lines and lovely Russian aesthetic, butt, they don't connect well with each other and can't seem to reveal themselves in an authentic way performance-wise. Plus, they are often overscored on PCS because the skating community knee-jerk kow-tows to their 'potential.'

 

[umronnie]

Did you see what they had before? This is a huge improvement. I wouldn't risk them switching to something worse.

Just go back to Rach. It was a fantastic program and scored very high. They don't need to get comfortable with it or anything - they already are. And it has the drama their long sorely lacks.

 

[aftershocks]

Their skating is exquisite

Frankly, their skating is often error-prone and messy too, but most everyone in figure skating turns a blind eye to their mistakes and their lack of connection. But yeah, they only have to show up because they are Russian, good-looking, have memorable names, and at their best are capable of putting on a technical clinic.

But T/M consistently pick poor music and program concept. And they don't know how to pull out who they are and truly engage with audiences on a deep, emotional level. The team that can do that: James/Cipres has electrified the pairs discipline, but tend to be downplayed in how they are viewed competitively. IOW J/C's enormous strengths are often overlooked and not fully credited because they are not seen as a conventional, traditional pair team. J/C are generally not being credited either for the way they have impacted and influenced the pairs discipline over the past few years. With T/M's poor program choices, even T/M are trying to channel J/C's moves and exciting strengths. T/M should be trying to find out who they are and bring that out instead.

 

[kittysk8ts]

Frankly, their skating is often error-prone and messy too, but most everyone in figure skating turns a blind eye to their mistakes and their lack of connection. But yeah, they only have to show up because they are Russian, good-looking, have memorable names, and at their best are capable of putting on a technical clinic.

But T/M consistently pick poor music and program concept. And they don't know how to pull out who they are and truly engage with audiences on a deep, emotional level. The team that can do that: James/Cipres has electrified the pairs discipline, but tend to be downplayed in how they are viewed competitively. IOW J/C's enormous strengths are often overlooked and not fully credited because they are not seen as a conventional, traditional pair team. J/C are generally not being credited either for the way they have impacted and influenced the pairs discipline over the past few years. With their poor program choices, even T/M are trying to channel J/C's moves and exciting strengths. T/M should be trying to find out who they are and bring that out instead.

I can’t deny any of this. Lol lol. Lemme rephrase a bit? Their actual elements, when on, are exquisite, IMHO.

Sigh. Agree 100% that they don’t know who they are.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

This reminds me of how Nancy Kerrigan resisted skating to classical music during her eligible career.

One time at Improv On Ice, she pouted about having to skate to Vanessa Mae's Nessun Dorma. Yet, it ended up being one of her most beautiful routines. Go figure!

 

[s_parks]

And the sad thing is, when they do skate to the "right" music(classical), the choreo and/or cuts are just...so mediocre. But at least with classical music, they can look better with their skills, subpar choreography notwithstanding.
And I have to agree aftershocks on a few screws being loose in their skating. Good speed and elements(when they hit...), but something doesn't quite click as a pair like, say, Sui/Han.
Just saying, not really on the memorable side of Russian pairs historically. More Petrova/Tikhonov than Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze.

 

[aftershocks]

More Petrova/Tikhonov

Yeah I get your drift. But then, even Petrova/Tikhonov at their best were at least dynamic and interesting. Plus, they had a genuine emotional connection. And I also think P/T understood who they were as skaters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyyzXzTsXoo

 

[Vash01]

It shocks me to seebtheir choices of music, year after year. Dont they get any feedback from anyone? May be Tarasova needs to get involved - LOL. May be Moskvina, or just a different choreographer. May be Bezic or Shanti Rushpaul, or Lori Nichol? Bezic helped Boitano become an artist. Lori helped Shen and Zhao. TAT helped K&P bring out their deep emotions. It can be done, as long as the skaters themselves realize what they need and they act on it.

This year's LP is an exception and it may remain an exception unless they discover themselves and bring that to the ice. To me, their newest SP is unwatchable. It is worse than Candyman.

Not liking classical music is no excuse. There is plenty of music outside of Classical that could suit them, or they could use semiclassical They pick the worst possible and it frustrates me.
Elena & Anton hated classical music, but they still delivered in competitions.

 

[aftershocks]

It would just be helpful if the media and people in the sport would actually be honest about the areas in which T/M need to improve and stop with the knee-jerk over-complimenting them in order to continue enabling the status quo throwing of points at them on PCS. The judges need to mark them down on performance execution when they don't perform well. On composition and interpretation of the music, they should never be getting high scores. And their tech marks should suffer when they make errors. I know they were marked down a bit at SA for not skating well, but they are still kept in a high range on PCS, and they shouldn't be.

 

[alj5]

If they didn't get rid of that stupid Candyman program last year, they're not going to get rid of this short program.

 

[zebraswan]

They seem so blissfully unaware of how ridiculous this program looks. Maxim seems to not care since they're getting their high points. Mozer is just bleh. If they had a clue the whole lot of them would have hired Aljona Savchenko to coach and choreograph for these two.

Such an absolute waste of talent.

LOL!!! Because that worked out sooooo well for the Knierems! They won by a landslide here, btw. Why should they change anything? I don't like the SP either, but I didn't like a lot of other skaters' programs who don't get half as much criticism. Where is the thread to talk about that horrible cancer program from the German ice dancers? Or Brezina's cringey air guitar? I could go on and on...

 

[hanca]

There is nothing wrong with their SP. It is just very popular at this forum to make a huge issue of their music. Last year there was lots of hypocritical swooning about hearing certain lyrics in their music (because obviously on TV you have never heard worse than that). This year it is harder to bash them, so let’s concentrate on their SP? What about all the skaters who skated to I feel good in the past, was it as ridiculous or is it onlt T/M? I feel whatever they choose there will be posts that it is horrible music. It feels bit like online bullying or witch hunt. It is disgusting.

 

[aftershocks]

LOL!!! Because that worked out sooooo well for the Knierems! They won by a landslide here, btw. Why should they change anything? I don't like the SP either, but I didn't like a lot of other skaters' programs who don't get half as much criticism. Where is the thread to talk about that horrible cancer program from the German ice dancers? Or Brezina's cringey air guitar? I could go on and on...

German ice dancers and Brezina are not receiving gift points on PCS out-the-wazoo when they don't skate well and stink up the joint. And T/M have been 'stinking up the joint' quite often for skaters with their level of tech ability. Plus I love Brezina's air guitar btw! At least Brezina knows who he is as a skater, and when he pulls his tech ability together he can give some wonderful performances, as he did at SA this past weekend.

And come on, the situation with Aliona and the Knierims did not work out on an overall coaching situation level, because Aliona does not seem as if she's comfortable right now with making a full commitment to being a coach, IMHO. Aliona clearly helped the Knierims improve their strategic approach to choreo, concept and costumes, as well as improving some of their skating skills and elements. It's just not showing up that well in competition so far. But the improvements are visible and the program concept and choreo does work for them!

 

[Amantide]

LOL!!! Because that worked out sooooo well for the Knierems! They won by a landslide here, btw. Why should they change anything? I don't like the SP either, but I didn't like a lot of other skaters' programs who don't get half as much criticism. Where is the thread to talk about that horrible cancer program from the German ice dancers? Or Brezina's cringey air guitar? I could go on and on...

You have a point there. But I am a puzzled with the lack of feedback, or bad feedback, they are receiving from their team, and other specialists of their Federation tbh.

They certainly don't have the worse programs. But this is a Pair with some great skating qualities and skills. All I know is that they deserve much better than what they are skating to, and it's frustrating.

By the way, is Robin still coaching there?

 

[zebraswan]

And come on, the situation with Aliona and the Knierims did not work out on an overall coaching situation level, because Aliona does not seem as if she's comfortable right now with making a full commitment to being a coach, IMHO. Aliona clearly helped the Knierims improve their strategic approach to choreo, concept and costumes, as well as improving some of their skating skills and elements. It's just not showing up that well in competition so far. But the improvements are visible and the program concept and choreo does work for them!

Are you doing PR for them or something? They were horrid at Nebelhorn (beaten by the baby Russians!) and horrid here, and Aljona essentially dumped them right before the GP because she didn't think they trained hard enough. This is pretty much what she said in the German press, hard to sugarcoat that. I'm not a K/K fan, but I feel sorry for them - she really left them high and dry. What kind of coach does that? And I think they look terribly awkward in those Aljona-esque costumes, trying to do S/S choreo. They are just too basic for that kind of voidy program.

 

[aftershocks]

Are you doing PR for them or something? They were horrid at Nebelhorn (beaten by the baby Russians!) and horrid here, and Aljona essentially dumped them right before the GP because she didn't think they trained hard enough. This is pretty much what she said in the German press, hard to sugarcoat that. I'm not a K/K fan, but I feel sorry for them - she really left them high and dry. What kind of coach does that? And I think they look terribly awkward in those Aljona-esque costumes, trying to do S/S choreo. They are just too basic for that kind of voidy program.

Are you doing the shit-faced snarkfest hater-aid for Dave Lease number on the Knierims?