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And now there are online posts along the lines of: Nathan Chen biffed at the Olympics and won gold four years later. So Ilia can win gold next time!

STOP. Just stop. Let Ilia do what he wants to do, and let him do whatever he does whenever he wants to do it.
 
I haven’t read anything in this thread past Yu-Hsiang Li :cheer: but thought this was worth sharing from Elladj Balde (clips from his watch party with Asher Hill & Nam Nguyen):
 
I don’t like Yumadot because it sounds like the grand finale of a skating show, not something for an individual skater, and Tin’s arrangement does not make me want to see his full alternate ending. #sorrynotsorry#.

I couldn’t find any info on who the singers were. I’ve only seen attribution for the orchestra.
 
I don’t like Yumadot because it sounds like the grand finale of a skating show, not something for an individual skater, and Tin’s arrangement does not make me want to see his full alternate ending. #sorrynotsorry#.

I couldn’t find any info on who the singers were. I’ve only seen attribution for the orchestra.
My sister told me her friend Clay Hilley is the tenor. He and his mother were in Milan to watch it live.
 
I don’t like Yumadot because it sounds like the grand finale of a skating show, not something for an individual skater, and Tin’s arrangement does not make me want to see his full alternate ending. #sorrynotsorry#.

I couldn’t find any info on who the singers were. I’ve only seen attribution for the orchestra.
It is the grand finale of a show :lol: And many skaters skate to musicals, tangoes, ensemble pieces, and other music not meant for individuals so I'm not sure where you're going with that logic that a piece has to be appropriate for an individual skater :huh:

But I respect that it's not your cup of tea - for me the Yumandot/Christopher Tin finale is a breath of fresh air and helluva lot more original than hearing Nessun Dorma or Vanessa Mae's Turandot Fantasy for the umpteenth time
 
My sister told me her friend Clay Hilley is the tenor. He and his mother were in Milan to watch it live.
Thank you so much! I’ve heard him before on streams, mostly Wagner and Strauss, and he’s terrific. Thank goodness for streams coming out of Europe.

It is the grand finale of a show :lol: And many skaters skate to musicals, tangoes, ensemble pieces, and other music not meant for individuals so I'm not sure where you're going with that logic that a piece has to be appropriate for an individual skater :huh:
They rarely choose a finale as an entire program: they choose different pieces that have an arc, like Shun’s Firebird and usually finish with the finale. A piece that is a finale only is appropriate for a show with a big cast. This program is missing the ebbs and flows that show off Kagiyama’s great strengths, so, yes, I think it is a dud.

And being better than Vanessa Mae’s recording is a low bar.
 
I know some people don't like Yumandot, but I wish he could've skated it like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOoPdWi--gI
People here are pretty well-read and cultured, but in case anyone didn't know, Puccini died before he finished Turandot. There are several different endings by different composers, but Christopher Tin was commissioned by the Washington National Opera to create a new ending. He wanted to follow Puccini's style and make an ending that fits and completes Turandot, and he worked with a professional librettist for the lyrics. The video has the translation of the lyrics, and Yuma's choreography was made to match the storytelling. It's a lot more meaningful than any of Ilia's jejune voiceovers.
It was so helpful to listen to Christopher Tin’s interview with Rocker Skating to learn how the music came to be. Love this YouTube version of seeing him emote for the music. We didn’t get that in the men’s Free so I posted on Tin’s YouTube asking for a full “pro shot” because it never hurts to ask.

 
I haven’t read anything in this thread past Yu-Hsiang Li :cheer: but thought this was worth sharing from Elladj Balde (clips from his watch party with Asher Hill & Nam Nguyen):
I posted it in this thread last night ;)

 
Have only got onto my computer this morning so my first opportunity to comment on the men's event. I did watch it live sitting in bed but I couldn't be bother getting my computer to comment.

I was certainly not expecting that and it was a shock. It wasn't just Ilia but the others who didn't have their best skates. I am very happy for Mikhail taking home the gold because he really did have the best performance. And delighted for the Japanese men. Particularly Shun was beautiful.

Devastated for Ilia. I hope he is kind to himself after that because I still think he is the best skater in the world right now. In fact I hope the US have a very good sports psychology team because after the first two events of the Olympics they all need support right now for everyone, including those who are yet to compete.
 
My internet died at 4:00 a.m. yesterday so you will all understand when I explain that I just got to Mom & Dad's and watched the men's free skate.

OMG, how many times have we seen this show before during the men's event at the Olympic Games?:rofl:

Yaaay, Shun!:cheer2:

Congratulations to Shaidorov.

Kudos to Ilia for having the wherewithal to congratulate Shaidorov on the spot.

And my yes, the men menned. I'm sure Kurt Browning was reliving some moments during that event.

Also, it appears yours truly was correct when she said her faith in the NBC commentary team's ability to predict the men was low;). Just cover everything, NBC. Then you'd stop missing the real stories because you are too busy trying to sell one to the audience.
 
Maybe he shouldn't have done the team event after all.
Um . . . no. He should obviously have done the team event. It will be the only gold medal he wins at this Olympics. And he needed to skate both portions of the event to make that happen.

Plus, the men even had an extra day off before the free. (If anything, one might think that was a bad idea as two sleepless nights of anticipation is probably worse than one).
 
Um . . . no. He should obviously have done the team event. It will be the only gold medal he wins at this Olympics. And he needed to skate both portions of the event to make that happen.

Plus, the men even had an extra day off before the free. (If anything, one might think that was a bad idea as two sleepless nights of anticipation is probably worse than one).
Makes me wonder if the two days between competing contributed to so many subpar performances by the men??!?
 
Well, the men are the men. I mean, no, I don't think extra time mid-competition is a great idea; but it's the Olympic scenario (only 1 shot every 4 years) that creates the real pressure. Add to that the depth of the field and level of technical risk. And we get . . . this. Brought back strong memories of 1994.
 
Finally able to watch both segments of the Men's today. What a roller coaster ride.

Even knowing the result in advance the last group was still shocking.

Congrats to peibeck for being the first in this thread to call the result: ;)
Watch Shaidorov having psyched us all out with his mediocre skates and terrible program all season and pull off the Olympic upset of the century. :rofl:
I can't recall ever previously seeing a final results page where every single skater had a different rank between the short and the free, and that so many of them were so wildly different.
I feel a bit bad for Torgy, he was 8th in the short and 9th in the free but total points put him 12th!
That was also what I was going to say. That's a hark back to the weird resuls 6.0 used to throw.

Happy for medallists. Hope all those who under-performed are able to come to terms with things and are left alone by the media to do so.
 
Wheeeeee!
I am reminded of a comp last fall where Shun put a towel over his face while his coach went crazy with excitement
 
Wheeeeee!
They are a study in A vs. B personalities;). Camera landed on Shun prior to the medal ceremony & he immediately bent down and started tying his skates.
 
Btw, I've been watching D. Grassls instagram stories and in the ones he reposted some people posted congrats to him for skating well/fighting despite not feeling that well, does anyone know if he was sick(ish) or whether/why he wasn't feeling 100%?
 
A lot can be said about Pluschenko, but he definitely has a lot of experience, and his analysis of the men’s event includes some very good reasoning:
Let’s start with Ilya. In my opinion, he absolutely should not have gone for the quad axel. He popped it, lost his rhythm, couldn’t reset — and everything fell apart.

In the free skate, the main medal contenders all made mistakes. The exception was Shaidorov. In that situation, Malinin simply needed to deliver a clean skate. Without the quad axel and the quad loop. They were no longer necessary. We know Ilya’s program. He can skate it with his eyes closed. He could have limited himself to three quads. At most, added one more and take the gold.

But the quad axel is a risk. Not just an ultra-C element, but a “super” ultra-C that takes enormous energy. It would have made sense to attempt it in the team event. If not in the short program, then in the free. He could have tested himself and, if successful, entered history as the first skater to land it at the Olympic Games, which is what Ilya had dreamed of. He planned the quad axel twice in the team event but did not attempt it. That means he felt uncertainty, and it was more evident in the individual event.

Watching Malinin, I immediately remembered Salt Lake City 2002. I felt ready not one hundred but a thousand percent! I hadn’t lost all season and was considered the favorite. I arrived at the Olympics with one goal — to win gold. And I burned out from too much desire. Ilya also came to Milan to win. Many had already placed the gold medal around his neck in advance. Enormous attention was focused on him, both on the ice and off it. In such a situation, it is hard to skate with a cool head. Everything distracts you, you lose concentration. And let’s not forget — this is Ilya’s first Olympics.

After Salt Lake City, I drew conclusions. Four years later in Turin, I hid from everyone. After competitions I went straight to the Olympic Village, stayed in my room, accumulated energy. In those days I felt comfortable alone. I reduced communication to a minimum. Perhaps that is exactly what Malinin lacked. During the warm-up before the free skate, it was clear he was in good shape. His Lutz and other jumps were flawless. But the quadruple Axel changed everything.

Before this, Ilya had never popped a jump in competition. Even with that same axel, he always committed to it and rotated it. But here… it was simply a system failure. I feel sorry for the guy. But that’s how fate decided.

Some say it was fatigue after the team event. That version would make sense if Malinin were nearing thirty. But he is only 21 — his career is just beginning. It wasn’t the team event that exhausted him. It was the hype, the intense media attention, the photo shoots. Still, Ilya is young — he has many years ahead. He can definitely make it to a couple more Olympics. He will become more experienced and more driven. Milan gave him a valuable lesson. Just like Salt Lake City did for me. It helped me win in Turin. I believe it will be the same for Malinin.
Shaidorov
On Friday night into Saturday, we were reminded that the Olympics are an absolutely unpredictable tournament. Where sensations and miracles happen. Shaidorov’s championship skate turned the world upside down.

Beyond his triple axel - euler - quad sal combination, I was amazed by his quad flip, which Misha executed almost without a run-up. I like the technique his coach Alexei Urmanov has instilled in him. The jumps are quick, tightly wound, agile. Very fine, like a pencil. That allows him to conserve energy during the program. Shaidorov doesn’t have huge height, big arm swings, or exaggerated takeoffs. He goes straight into the air and into position. That is not just important, it is priceless! Add a bit more charisma, a touch more speed and glide, and he’ll be unstoppable.

Now the main thing is not to stop there. I hope that doesn’t happen. First, Shaidorov is young, only 21. Second, he has a great coach — Alexei Urmanov. We once trained in the same group under Alexei Mishin. I was 11, had just moved to St. Petersburg from Volgograd, and Urmanov had already won Olympic gold in Lillehammer. Back then we all looked up to him — me, Yagudin, and the other guys. Now Urmanov, as a coach, has done tremendous work and has raised an Olympic champion. I am very happy for him. No one was betting on Shaidorov. Honestly, I never even thought that a young man from Kazakhstan could make the Olympic podium. And not just a medal, but gold!
Jun-hwan Cha
I liked Cha Jun-hwan even more (than the Japanese guys), though he narrowly missed the podium. He only has himself to blame. Technically, his quad toe loop is not very strong unlike his salchow. That’s what he should have done. Two quad aalchows, a clean program, and the medal would have been his.

Instead, the Korean skater went for the toe loop and did only one quad sal. Still, he received enormous component scores, and deservedly so! He has fantastic skating skills. Excellent control of his body and edges. The choreography and artistry are of the highest level. By the way, men rarely choose female vocals. Cha Jun-hwan took that risk, and it became a true performance. A miniature theater on ice.

 
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Can anyone explain to me why in the ISU World Standings some of the skaters get to count their points for OWG, while others do not? I see at the bottom the note that says:

() - points in brackets not counting for ISU World Standings in accordance with ISU Communication 1629

I've read ISU Communication No. 1629 (warning, 3rd-party site that may not be trustworthy), but I cannot figure out why some Olympians would count their points and other would not. Is this based on who has been named to the ISU World Championships by their federation? Is it basically trying to convey that these numbers are to not to be counted yet until after WC since that column takes the highest of the two scores? It's just weird though how some are counted and some are not -- thus my confusion and reason for this post.
 

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