2024 Masters - weekend of September 28 - Villard de Lans - FRA

Wyliefan said:
Now that's an opening pose. :lol: They start with Lopareva's skate planted firmly in the middle of Brissaud's chest.
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Stylistically, this is a much better fit for them than their FD last season - which was just a wannabe PapCiz knock-off. The program itself kind of doesn't really go anywhere, so who knows how it will be received internationally, but I don't hate it, so that's a step up.
 
Score for Demougeot & Le Mercier seemed pretty low compared to what they were scoring internationally last year, I'll be interested to see the protocols.

A few rough spots for Lopareva & Brissaud, but a really interesting program that I'm looking forward to seeing grow over the season!
 
beckab81 said:
Score for Demougeot & Le Mercier seemed pretty low compared to what they were scoring internationally last year, I'll be interested to see the protocols.
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I want to see them too, because right now I. Do. Not. Get. It.
 
I loved L/B’s last FD. Not on TV, but in person, it was breathtaking. Amazing use of the blade. This year’s FD is better suited to them and if they can bring that command of the ice, it could take them places!
 
Senior FD:
FPl.NameClubNationPointsRDFD
1Evgeniia LOPAREVA / Geoffrey BRISSAUDBOR-BORD/BOR-BORD
FRA.GIF
FRA
200.7111
2Marie DUPAYAGE / Thomas NABAISVLP-VILL/VSC-Vitry
FRA.GIF
FRA
185.8722
3Loicia DEMOUGEOT / Theo le MERCIERVLP-VILL/BEL-ASM
FRA.GIF
FRA
178.9433
4Natacha LAGOUGE / Arnaud CAFFAVSC-Vitry/VSC-Vitry
FRA.GIF
FRA
169.2644
5Lou TERREAUX / Noe PERRONBEL-ASM/BEL-ASM
FRA.GIF
FRA
157.4755

And protocols: https://www.ffsg.org/resultats/2024...------FNL-000100--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf
 
I don't at all take issue with any of the other scores in the FD here. I'm quite happy to see Lagouge and Caffa score 100! But I'm mystified as to why Demougeot & LeMercier scored so low.
 
Why are the French judges tanking my Demougeot/Le Mercier? :shuffle:

And good to see that Lopareva decided to stop being boring. Really liked their new FD.
 
BlueRidge said:
:wuzrobbed

I have trouble with the who's who of French ice dance, who is this all supposed to benefit?
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It's more like it's supposed to, eventually, crush Karine & all the VDL teams. Undermine DemLeM by having them lose badly to DupNab domestically, which then causes DemLeM to possibly lose momentum internationally; meanwhile DupNab are still trying to climb through the mid-level ranks internationally - ultimately neither move up and Karine/VDL are wounded.
 
Karen-W said:
It's more like it's supposed to, eventually, crush Karine & all the VDL teams. Undermine DemLeM by having them lose badly to DupNab domestically, which then causes DemLeM to possibly lose momentum internationally; meanwhile DupNab are still trying to climb through the mid-level ranks internationally - ultimately neither move up and Karine/VDL are wounded.
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This is hateful.

I love these teams. :wuzrobbed
 
I know this is on par for the majority of Aymoz’s season last year, but I’d give it time. He was in Miami just prior to this choreographing at least one of the two programs, so he’s starting his season somewhat late.

And Hami finishing 2nd in the long with a fall and no 3A or quad attempted kinda gives the picture of how almost all of them did today.
 
BlueRidge said:
:wuzrobbed

I have trouble with the who's who of French ice dance, who is this all supposed to benefit?
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Good question.
That's easy, it's the school of Lyon.

I'm sorry but I'm gonna go back a while.

From 1996 ? .. to ... 2011 ? (around this period), no good junior french dancer was authorized to go anywhere else than Lyon.
Gailhaguet was backing the Zazouis.
Even the second ice dance school of Lyon in Baraban was complaining about it (namely Lydie Bontemps when she had to let Delobel/Schoenfelder go) but eventually, everyone "surrendered" to reality.
No coach outside of Charlemagne coud develop anything.

When Arribert arrived in junior around 2005, things started to get heated between her and Lyon.
She had one junior couple who was doing reasonably well internationally : Zoé Blanc / Pierre Loup Bouquet
And they wouldn't leave her.
And at times, Blanc/Bouquet would beat some of Lyon's best junior couples, like ... Elodie Brouiller and Benoit Richaud.
And Lyon didn't like that.
And many of the "rejected" ice dancers, the "not good enough for Lyon" started to go to her.
That's how she started to build up her school and to become kind of "legendary" because she "embraced" those kids and their journey in ice dance and gave them the best programs she could.
And despite not being the best (and falling quite often), her kids were popular, thanks to their programs and their total investment in what Arribert was giving them.
The minute she reached the senior international level, things became very heated.
There were repeated pressures on Blanc / Bouquet to leave her.
They were threatened about selections to international competitions.
An international judge told them Arribert was dangerous for their career.
They were deemed "different ... too different".
Arribert said how her first (and for long only) Worlds (2009) were a nightmare.
In the end, in early 2011, Blanc/ Bouquet chose to leave ice dance entirely.
Arribert got back to her mountain to her "not good enoughs".

In 2011, Gailhaguet changed his mind about Lyon, finding the Zazouis too powerful within the fed.
It took him 3 years to tear Lyon down, not helped by the fact that Papadakis Cizeron chose to train there for 2 seasons.

By 2014-2015, it was clear that Lyon was dead.
Then Arribert and Piton started to build the centers that we are now seeing in action.
One can wonder if they carefully waited for Gailhaguet's demise (2020) to take the light.
OTOH, it took quite a while for Lyon to get back on its feet. For long, they tried to go on as usual, getting good juniors from other centers, pairing them and going international with them. It didn't work. Of course, Haguenauer had left. Neil Brown also left...
Then they realised what Arribert and especially Piton were doing locally.
As they knew rivals were coming up, they built a development program from the scratch, from the youngest categories up, with the support of friendly centers (Ambre Perrier Giannesini was trained by the Delobel sisters).
And they are back with very solid ice dancers ...
But they are not alone anymore.
There are centers on their way who have cemented their existence and their value in ice dance. IMHO with an added value that Lyon doesn't have in terms of creativity and couple building.
But there is something that Lyon has : friends and former ice dancers.
 
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Given that D/N also beat D/LeM in the RD at last year's Masters (we don't know what would have happened in the FD, as D/LeM withdrew), I don't know how much I'd read into this year's placements. It didn't seem to have any implications for last season.
 
Wyliefan said:
Given that D/N also beat D/LeM in the RD at last year's Masters (we don't know what would have happened in the FD, as D/LeM withdrew), I don't know how much I'd read into this year's placements. It didn't seem to have any implications for last season.
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Thank you for this. For now, I think I'll take it to heart.
 
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