Lombardia Trophy - Women's SP & FS

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Yes but Disease is in there and the Dead Dance.

Ohhhhh ok

I really like the idea of a gaga free but yes, my tracks I consider would definitely be Applause as my number one choice, Schieze, Disco Heaven, Judas and abracadabra.

 

[Skaterbob]

I mean less about the layout and composition and more about her interpretation of the music. Just not the crispness, sass, attitude, flirtatiousness, drama everything that the music needed. If only Nicole Bobek could skate to pop music with lyrics back in her day.

Nicole would have been amazing with lyrics!!! Yea for Lady Gaga Alysa needs to really go for it or it will look a bit half-assed. Needs at least Ashley Wagner level commitment.

 

[Jammers]

You guys do realize that Alysa has had boot problems and that Ilia's dad is even helping her now. At Champs Camp she couldn't even do the jumps at the competition simulation because this has been a problem for awhile and she even said not to expect to much here at Lombardia because she's skating in one old and one new boot. Alysa is not known for making excuses unlike some other skaters. Heck she tripped on the way to her opening pose yesterday because of her boots being to tight. All things considered she skated pretty well here.

 

[jlai]

Just bought the subscription so I can go back to rewarch yesterday's.
Not impressed with Sarah. Alysa's short looks like last year's wanna be

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Yes but Disease is in there and the Dead Dance i think, I would have to watch it again. The program is on Youtube already.

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Holy crap I like that more than I thought I would. She looks gorgeous.

I was loving the first part up until two minutes and 20 seconds when disease changes the whole mood and energy of the program, yuck get rid of that song.

Actually bad Romance really works but she really needs to invoke Lewis Gibson energy here or the energy she had at the free skate from worlds in Boston but I have no doubt she will do that later in the season.

There’s plenty of choreography here. Although the ending is not impactful at all. Change it. Can I step in with Massimo please

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Nicole Bobek

DIVAAAAAAAA

 

[caseyedwards]

You guys do realize that Alysa has had boot problems and that Ilia's dad is even helping her now. At Champs Camp she couldn't even do the jumps at the competition simulation because this has been a problem for awhile and she even said not to expect to much here at Lombardia because she's skating in one old and one new boot. Alysa is not known for making excuses unlike some other skaters. Heck she tripped on the way to her opening pose yesterday because of her boots being to tight. All things considered she skated pretty well here

These are cliches! It’s amazing how fast the world champion becomes captive to the cliches of sports when it comes to ending attempting very risky technical upgrades! Even with her usual Normal 2025 4CC problems she was very close to winning because other skaters attempting upgrades got <<‘s

 

[Skaterbob]

Also huge Congrats to Rion for finally winning a competition of this level. Hopefully she can keep the momentum. She has so much style and really commits to choreography.

 

[jlai]

Matshuike's short could use some variation in music

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

OK I just quickly went to listen to my top gaga tracks, oh, please take disease out and substitute it with either Judas or applause. I would love that. Anyways, I think the program has big potential.

 

[Skaterbob]

Matshuike's short could use some variation in music

It is just a shortened version of the long from last season that everyone liked.

 

[honey]

I’m not really too worried about where Alysa is jump wise right now. She did quite well give the boot issues and it being September.

And I don’t mind the idea of a Lady Gaga program for Alysa. I think the end with Bad Romance will work later in the season when she can give it more energy. But oof, the beginning 2/3rds are not it. Poor song choice and little choreography. Id go back to the drawing board on the beginning right now if they want to keep this program.

But even though I think eventually the Bad Romance part will work, I’d also say I have some questions about whether she is capable of doing the Gaga-esq choreo that has been given to her. It’s not sharp, she’s not pushing any of it far enough to read as intentional kind of staccato movement. I thought the same about the disco movements near the end of last season’s free that I never thought she pushed far enough to have their full effect.

This also requires a really extroverted performer to sell it, and at least right now this reads as someone painfully shy being forced to try to do something really over the top. This choreo would have prefect for Ashley Wagner, who say what we will about skating skills, could give face and hit choreographic movements well.

 

[jlai]

Rewatching the short: Lara's skating is a standout.

 

[PRlady]

I liked Nakai and Lara the best just in terms of enjoying the performance. Alysa should change the opening song to Judas or the new Love Drug. Sarah has made no progress in expression at all.

 

[TAHbKA]

So Liu is doing Valieva's programme in Trusova's dress?

I hope it's the beginning of the season, bad recording that I watched or smth of the sort, because her skating had nothing to do with her music.

 

[SkateFanBerlin]

Sarah's dress is very pretty and different.

eta: Sarah did well, but probably not well enough to lead. Some errors towards the end (tired legs?)

Yeah, she looked tired at end. That said she`s so reliable. Could she add a 2nd 3-3? Or now that we have doing-around-in-a-circle sequence do we not need it?

 

[kwanfan1818]

I love Liu's dress. I don't know Lady Gaga's music well enough to suggest different cuts, but the third went dark-ish without a comparable change to express any intention I could glean.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Sarah has made no progress in expression at all.

I have found that we have to accept that in the skaters… over the years the skaters that don’t express north of the shoulders don’t tend to learn to change that, you’re either born with it or you’re not.

 

[Evgeniafan]

I have found that we have to accept that in the skaters… over the years the skaters that don’t express north of the shoulders don’t tend to learn to change that, you’re either born with it or you’re not.

I like her program and her dress. And I agree that it is something you are born with. So a choreographer needs to help bring it out. I think Kevin should choreograph a program for her.

 

[tony]

I have found that we have to accept that in the skaters… over the years the skaters that don’t express north of the shoulders don’t tend to learn to change that, you’re either born with it or you’re not.

Angela Nikodinov was not born with it. At all. I mean The Mummy to Just For You and Sleeping Beauty in the span of 7 months. She's surely an outlier in the world of skating, but things can be done. She first and foremost needs a choreographer that reads the room and tries to bring something, anything out.

That said, the PCS is really still way too high given that she gives.. nothing.

Liu's program is messy at this point and also doesn't work for me, and this comes from a 'shelled out front row secondary market seats to Gaga concert' person. I don't doubt she can bring more life to it, but I was expecting much more.

 

[Wyliefan]

Catching up now via YouTube videos. If that music inspires Alysa, she sure doesn't act like it (and yes, I'm allowing for rhe boot problems and the season debut). It's making me miss Donna Summer.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

I just watched Sarah’s free skate. It wasn’t that bad at all, great costume.

I think with Sarah … she seems to be looking into a void of space, never, maybe rarely ever looking at a judge or the audience. But maybe that’s what helps her with her consistency. I saw some new and improved growth in her artistry in choreography, so I’m excited for the season to go along.

I watched Alysa's a second time, Gaga is an ultimate diva. At the moment Alysa is only half being a diva but I have no doubt that as the season goes a long she’ll bring full divatude.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Angela Nikodinov was not born with it. At all. I mean The Mummy to Just For You and Sleeping Beauty in the span of 7 months. She's surely an outlier in the world of skating, but things can be done. She first and foremost needs a choreographer that reads the room and tries to bring something, anything out.

That said, the PCS is really still way too high given that she gives.. nothing.

Liu's program is messy at this point and also doesn't work for me, and this comes from a 'shelled out front row secondary market seats to Gaga concert' person. I don't doubt she can bring more life to it, but I was expecting much more.

How in the world did the greatest skater of all time and that will ever be get brought into this?

Angela is a whole different story, she had a transformation inside and out. A type of transformation you may only see once in a lifetime IMO.

When Angela did the mummy she was still a “girl” skater or not yet a woman skater as I prefer. I always say I love Mao. I love Carolina. I love Amber today. I love a woman skater and when she transformed she left the teen look behind.

By then Angela knew how to present with her body…. her body became an instrument, and while she may not always a look at the audience, you can tell with her face, she felt the music.

I think there’s hope for Sarah to present.

Also I was thinking I think we all need to step back and realize some of these skaters are like 18, when we were 18 did we have the confidence to fully present and engage an audience? I was shy then. Today I could sell snow to an Eskimo but when I was 18 probably not.

 

[Wyliefan]

Oh dear, I don't like Sarah's program either. With a character program you've got to commit, even if it's supposed to be a weird character with a flat affect. And she isn't committing. Can we bring back Firebird too? Sorry for being so grumpy, I'm just ... underwhelmed.

 

[Wyliefan]

But I LOVE Lara's Jaws program. Even the cartwheel fits perfectly. Some of the movements need to be sharper, but this was a great start.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

I just finished watching most of the free programs of the women’s event.

Lara takes the cake for me at this event. What a great program, that was amazing and her jumps were fantastic.

And was that music like half Jaws or something? Lol.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

But I LOVE Lara's Jaws program. Even the cartwheel fits perfectly. Some of the movements need to be sharper, but this was a great start.

Oh my gosh I just posted my comment and now I’m reading yours. So was that Jaws? Or like an element? I need to go see what the program actually was now.

 

[jenny12]

I just finished watching most of the free programs of the women’s event.

Lara takes the cake for me at this event. What a great program, that was amazing and her jumps were fantastic.

And was that music like half Jaws or something? Lol.

Half Jaws, half Inception, all legendary

 

[Wyliefan]

Oh my gosh I just posted my comment and now I’m reading yours. So was that Jaws? Or like an element? I need to go see what the program actually was now.

It's "Music inspired by Jaws" by SK8MIX. So basically they took the Jaws theme and riffed on it.

 

[honey]

Oh dear, I don't like Sarah's program either. With a character program you've got to commit, even if it's supposed to be a weird character with a flat affect. And she isn't committing. Can we bring back Firebird roo? Sorry for being so grumpy, I'm just ... underwhelmed.

100% do not understand why anyone would give this skater at this stage in her development a character piece. She isn’t capable of delivering anything even close to meeting the mark for something like that.

The easiest way to cover up a deficiency like that is give them “easy” music to skate to that carries them and that the audience knows. They were on the right track in this regard last year. I’d just have her skate to warhorses and be done with it for this season. And then make a bigger run at actually working on her expression (and posture) in the future and try in small doses to get something more out of her. But she’s not ready for that now.