2025 Grand Prix Assignments

Isn't AzuShin's spot host spot? Can Japan send another team?
Theoretically, yes, but that would require the JSF having a 3rd team they thought would be GP ready by NHK. Seeing as they already gave up one of their 3 host spots in the initial assignments, I think it's safe to assume they won't hold onto this for another team.
 
Well, this is interesting... the Women’s grid has been updated as of today & has Starr Andrews & Josephine Lee assigned to SkAm.


I’ve never understood TBD assignments giving away by skate America unless there’s secret dealings behind closed doors like for instance, only two US men’s it’s like USA is a powerhouse country in figure skating with the men’s world champion….. They’re only gonna invite two people to skate America.

And with the destination of Lake Placid, which at least for me is completely unappealing and also a destination that’s not even on my top 500.

Oh well, guess I can root for Japan lol.

I’ll just catch Alysa’s programs via the YouTubes and the innerwebs 🤪
 
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USFSA must know someone about Josephine Lee that we didn't see on JGP and Nationals last season. I guess they don't think anyone else will be ready by then.
 
USFSA must know someone about Josephine Lee that we didn't see on JGP and Nationals last season. I guess they don't think anyone else will be ready by then.
In all fairness to Josephine, she is the only senior age-eligible US woman* who was in the SB Top 75 apart from the 6, who all got 2 GPs, so I don't think it's unreasonable to award her one of the 2 host TBD spots - and I wouldn't have thought it unreasonable had they done so right from the off when the initial assignments came out. And she's not even the lowest-ranked host skater to get a GP assignment - she's SB69 while Yi Zhu is SB71.

*Thorngren, of course, was SB46 but we know she's moved on from skating at this time.
 
In all fairness to Josephine, she is the only senior age-eligible US woman* who was in the SB Top 75 apart from the 6, who all got 2 GPs, so I don't think it's unreasonable to award her one of the 2 host TBD spots - and I wouldn't have thought it unreasonable had they done so right from the off when the initial assignments came out. And she's not even the lowest-ranked host skater to get a GP assignment - she's SB69 while Yi Zhu is SB71.

*Thorngren, of course, was SB46 but we know she's moved on from skating at this time.
Hopefully she will be competitive. I like her. I know it has been years but was hoping for Ava.
 
Hopefully she will be competitive. I like her. I know it has been years but was hoping for Ava.
Well, it's not as if there weren't 2 TBD spots - giving the other one to Starr this early is the more surprising choice, but one has to think the USFS has a better idea of where Ava is in her recovery than we do.
 
Well, it's not as if there weren't 2 TBD spots - giving the other one to Starr this early is the more surprising choice, but one has to think the USFS has a better idea of where Ava is in her recovery than we do.
You are right. I didn't remember that Starr had a bit of rough year last year. Feels like she has been a fixture on the GP for a while so her invite didn't stick out.
 
Skate America is a joke this year with no Illia and a 3rd US man and really Starr and Josephine are the best the USFS could find for the US ladies spots? I'd rather a younger skater like Mia Kalin get a spot then Starr who maxed out her potential years ago. Did she really deserve a spot after the year she just had? I just wish there was some news on Ava and how she is doing and if she will even compete this season.
 
really Starr and Josephine are the best the USFS could find for the US ladies spots?
USFS could have chosen all three of its host picks before the seeded skaters were assigned. It could have chosen Isabeau Levito and Amber Glenn, the fourth and fifth place finishers at Worlds, in addition to World Champion Alysa Liu, so clearly Starr Andrews and Josephine Lee are not the best that USFS could find.

Any other questions?
 
I'm all good with Starr & Josephine. Best wishes, ladies! The ladies field at SA is pretty competitive so it will be a challenge.

(Alysa, Higuchi, Chaeyeon Kim, Gubanova, Yoshida, & Haein all there).
 
USFS could have chosen all three of its host picks before the seeded skaters were assigned. It could have chosen Isabeau Levito and Amber Glenn, the fourth and fifth place finishers at Worlds, in addition to World Champion Alysa Liu, so clearly Starr Andrews and Josephine Lee are not the best that USFS could find.

Any other questions?

USFSA could’ve chosen Amber but Amber would’ve said bye Felicia.

And fourth and fifth place at worlds can’t appear at the same Grand Prix’s regardless of a host pick correct
 
Picking from the same group by the host has been done before, but very rarely. It would allow one of the other hosts an extra pick in the next round. Which host would depend on the draw for selection order for the discipline.
 
And fourth and fifth place at worlds can’t appear at the same Grand Prix’s regardless of a host pick correct
Not correct. A host federation can choose any three of its eligible skaters. It has happened that two medalists from the previous World Championship have faced each other at their home Grand Prix.

ETA: As discussed below, the situation is murky to say the least. My surmise, however, is that host federations can invite up to three of their own skaters regardless of seedings. Four of the existing Grand Prix events preceded the creation of the Grand Prix’s predecessor, the Champions Series, and the hosts invited whomever they wanted. I would be surprised if the hosts gave up their right to invite their own skaters regardless of seeding without some express waiver.
 
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Not correct. A host federation can choose any three of its eligible skaters. It has happened that two medalists from the previous World Championship have faced each other at their home Grand Prix.
Actually, no, you're incorrect. A host federation can have two of its own skaters from the same seeded sub-group (1-3 or 4-6), but it can only have two seeded skaters in total.

The USFS could NOT select ALL three of Alysa, Isabeau & Amber for SkAm.
 
USFS could have chosen all three of its host picks before the seeded skaters were assigned. It could have chosen Isabeau Levito and Amber Glenn, the fourth and fifth place finishers at Worlds, in addition to World Champion Alysa Liu, so clearly Starr Andrews and Josephine Lee are not the best that USFS could find.

Any other questions?
Is that possible? I thought 1-3 and 4-6 had to be a different events? edit nvm the newer posts weren't showing up for me.
 
Is that possible? I thought 1-3 and 4-6 had to be a different events? edit nvm the newer posts weren't showing up for me.
🕵️‍♂️It turns out that the situation is murkier than I thought. I can’t find any ISU document clarifying whether host or seeded spots are assigned first, so there may not be any hard and fast rule after all. It may all depend on :bribe:🤝 and :bloc: .

I would defer to @kwanfan1818, who would most likely be able to l8nk to any document that clarifies the matter.
 
There is no document that mentions any of this. In fact, host spots are so buried in the list, you’d think the hosts would be begging for scraps.

There’s nothing in writing in public that gives seeded skaters any say in their assignments, unless there’s an official host fed document somewhere that codifies this for their athletes. But we keep hearing about it, sometimes from the horses mouths.. They still don’t have official documentation for even giving consideration, let alone preference or guaranteed spots to split couples who placed 1-6 with previous partners, while there is for those who placed 7-12. But we’ve seen it happen beyond the host Fed path.

We can only try to reverse engineer through behavior. We’ve seen hosts choose more than one from selection groups, however rarely. We don’t know if they can just decide, if they need the ISU Council to bless it on a shadow docket, and there’s no documentation that I know of that says a host can’t have three seeds. We’ve never seen it happen; we don’t know why.

It only applies/has applied to a few Feds in a few disciplines, and it would be horrific strategy for GPF, and maybe you get incremental ticket sales for your home GP, which is a bad place to put your athletes.
 
There’s really no one else.
Ava apparently isn’t anywhere close to ready
Sonja Hilmer is 26 now and Starr has had better results
Mia placed lower than Josephine and Starr at nationals and, per Reddit rumors fwiw, her status could be up in the air
Lindsey has retired
 
There’s nothing in writing in public that gives seeded skaters any say in their assignments, unless there’s an official host fed document somewhere that codifies this for their athletes. But we keep hearing about it, sometimes from the horses mouths..
I'm fairly certain this is a holdover, though not codified in the language of the GP Announcement currently used, from the early years of the Grand Prix Series where it was factually known that the seeded skaters got to choose their events, but who knows?
 
IIRC, when they allowed the seeds to do three, and one was non-scoring for GPF, they got to choose their third in some ranked order.

Of course, they still earned money, which was more than now -- and they got to play spoilers cash- and points-wise against the unseeded, especially.
 

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