Canadian Skaters Group Alleges Abuse, Calls for Inquiry

Unfortunately, these kinds of situations can be really hard to pursue. It's not easy to have abusive coaches face consequences.
This is insane. It should be super easy to have abusive coaches face consequences. These are kids. End of story. They should be protected by all. But instead predatory coaches are allowed to go around ruining children. How can skate canada look at themselves. They are literally the top level of Canadian skating. AND it seems they are responsible for accrediting coaches. So if not them, who??
 
This is insane. It should be super easy to have abusive coaches face consequences. These are kids. End of story. They should be protected by all. But instead predatory coaches are allowed to go around ruining children. How can skate canada look at themselves. They are literally the top level of Canadian skating. AND it seems they are responsible for accrediting coaches. So if not them, who??
It's not just Skate Canada and it's been going on for a while. A very long while. I remember skating in the 90s and a club official told me how the club ran Richard Callaghan out of town because of what he was doing. They were very proud of themselves for what they did because they "didn't want that going on here." But did they report him? No. No one reported him until decades later.
 
It's not just Skate Canada and it's been going on for a while. A very long while. I remember skating in the 90s and a club official told me how the club ran Richard Callaghan out of town because of what he was doing. They were very proud of themselves for what they did because they "didn't want that going on here." But did they report him? No. No one reported him until decades later.
Callaghan most definitively had reports against him in the late-90s. Maurizi first reported it around the time of 1999 Worlds, because that was one of the big stories coming out of the event. The FOX skating documentary-exposé show even referenced it; pretty sure it was called On Thin Ice: The Dark Side of Skating but it could have been one of the other ones that also aired around that time.

I wasn’t yet a teenager when ‘99 Worlds took place and I remember all of that stuff, so it definitely was common knowledge/‘in the news’.
 
This was early 90s. I was trying to be vague. ;)
Well in any event, it wasn’t ‘decades’ later (from the 90s reference) and it wasn’t first brought up during the 2018 Olympics or whenever it was that Maurizi made (well.. started to make) the headlines again.

I think we circled this story a few times previously, and IIRC Susie Wynne, who was working for FOX and then eventually ABC/EPSN, was very vocal in supporting Maurizi’s claims.
 
I concur with @tony about the Richard Callaghan stuff - that was definitely out in the news by 1999, maybe even the year before when Tara was still competing, there were whispers.

One of the problems, as far as I can tell, is that the clubs nor rinks are liable for the coaches' behavior since they're, generally, independent contractors. The easiest solution, for the rink and club management is to run a bad coach out of town and not deal with the authorities, and thus open themselves up to any legal culpability for what took place at their rink or happened to their club members. I'm not sure how this gets changed without a massive overhaul and rethink of how the sport is run, from the grassroots all the way up to the top. And, cynically, I can't see any reason why it will change. Certainly no insurance company is going to want to provide liability insurance to a rink or club rather than to an individual contractor - there's way too much risk in that unless everything about the way youth sports is organized and coached undergoes a major change in mindset.
 
it's already known by most people in the skating community anyways, you deleting the post just confirms my stance. Thank you.
I'm just making our stance on anonymous complaints made about people in the skating community clear since you are new here and possibly not familiar with how things work. This policy was true before you arrived and will be true when you are gone.

ETA: I did not delete the post, but only because one of the other admins got there first.
 
Certainly no insurance company is going to want to provide liability insurance to a rink or club rather than to an individual contractor - there's way too much risk in that unless everything about the way youth sports is organized and coached undergoes a major change in mindset.
What you said about the difficulty with problem coaches when they are independent contractors is true. But FYI, rinks and clubs do have liability insurance. But they understandably don't want to have to use it, or pay legal expenses for a lawsuit. For that reason, it's pretty rare for a coach to be kicked out of a rink without a lot of evidence, repeated warnings, etc. And coaches generally have no problem moving from rink to rink unless what they've done is so egregious it results in a SafeSport suspension. And as we've heard, that process takes a long time.

ETA: I'm in the U.S., so that's what I'm referencing. Don't know about Canada.
 
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Except these are ALLEGED abuses and are mostly overexaggerated + a lot of these alleged reasons are utterly false. Yes, a coach used to yell at her students (I was one of them!) but it wasn't even personal. Also, you either stay and continue to want to be yelled at by her or move to another club. Unsafe training conditions are a filler reason. In what way shape or form are the training conditions unsafe? I've literally skated here for a decade and can confidently debunk this. I know of a case where 1 parent actually body shamed other skaters, and you must be quaking in your boots to think that any of the coaches would ever body shame anybody. And don't get me started on getting locked in the changerooms, the only form of punishment you could possibly get in skating is getting kicked out or doing something stupid that harms the skating environment. Getting pushed and shoved on the ice was also a skater-to-skater issue (jealousy was a big factor in these cases), and was usually addressed by the coaches.
So if this all true, that will come out in the investigation and everyone will be cleared, yes?

What do you think will be accomplished by defending the skating club here?

And please stop dropping names.
 
Some posts here are disgusting and disturbing. And people wonder why victims so come forward
There are always (at least) two sides to the story, and things aren't always as they may be stated by one party. I can point to a very recent example that was big news for a few days, and then seemingly everyone went on their merry ways and continued to cheer for involved skater based on event PBPs.

As someone who has never stepped foot in that rink, I can't automatically just take a side or have anyone determine how I should feel about it until (hopefully) some facts and further details come out.
 
Except I literally skate in this environment. Guarantee you that everyone on this forum page and on reddit and twitter have not been in this environment and instead are voicing themselves based on what they think they know.
Except that you're NOT the only person skating in this environment or others that are similar, and there are others participating in this thread who also assert that they are intimately familiar with the environment at this rink in particular. So, who should be believed? Just because you are figuratively stomping your foot and demanding that we dismiss everything else doesn't mean that rational, independent-thinking people will do as you say.
 
You don't understand the true atmosphere of the rink. Champs has had a long history of skaters who cause drama (parents too!) and most of them were kicked out as a result, the body shaming was skater to skater (not coaches), people get butthurt over what Joanne says to them when she's literally telling you a correction and instead take it as psychological manipulation. I've been in this environment for a decade so I stand true to my words.

Except these are ALLEGED abuses and are mostly overexaggerated + a lot of these alleged reasons are utterly false. Yes, a coach used to yell at her students (I was one of them!) but it wasn't even personal. Also, you either stay and continue to want to be yelled at by her or move to another club. Unsafe training conditions are a filler reason. In what way shape or form are the training conditions unsafe? I've literally skated here for a decade and can confidently debunk this. I know of a case where 1 parent actually body shamed other skaters, and you must be quaking in your boots to think that any of the coaches would ever body shame anybody. And don't get me started on getting locked in the changerooms, the only form of punishment you could possibly get in skating is getting kicked out or doing something stupid that harms the skating environment. Getting pushed and shoved on the ice was also a skater-to-skater issue (jealousy was a big factor in these cases), and was usually addressed by the coaches.
And this is what is known as a sick system right here. If I didn't think there was something rotten in that rink before I sure do now.
 

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