ISU Statement on Russia's war against Ukraine - Participation in international competitions of Skaters and Officials from Russia and Belarus

[Vagabond]

Spoiler: I apologize for not putting this in Politically Incorrect

No moreso than it would have been fair to characterize all Americans as adulterers based on our elected President from 1993-2001.

Or the one from 2017 to 2021, for that matter.

 

[Karen-W]

Spoiler: I apologize for not putting this in Politically Incorrect

Or the one from 2017 to 2021, for that matter.

Yeah, that can apply to many former Presidents... which is sort of the point...

 

[Hedwig]

Is it fair to characterize a entire country based on their leadership? Would it be fair to characterize the United States based on their erected president from 2016-2020?

It would not if we would not get quote after quote after quote from the oh so persecuted Russians like Zhulin, Tatjana Tarasova et al. Silence would be enough. I dont even need protest against Putin. Just no „we are the best“ talk would be preferable at this point.

 

[airgelaal]

The Ministry of Youth and Sports has published an order prohibiting the national teams of Ukraine from participating in competitions where athletes from russia or belarus are present

Міністерство молоді та спорту України - Про деякі питання участі офіційних делегацій національних збірних команд України у міжнародних змаганнях з олімпійських, неолімпійських видів спорту та видів спорту осіб з інвалідністю

Про деякі питання участі офіційних делегацій національних збірних команд України у міжнародних змаганнях з олімпійських, неолімпійських видів спорту та видів спорту осіб з інвалідністю

mms.gov.ua

 

[MacMadame]

The Ministry of Youth and Sports has published an order prohibiting the national teams of Ukraine from participating in competitions where athletes from russia or belarus are present

Міністерство молоді та спорту України - Про деякі питання участі офіційних делегацій національних збірних команд України у міжнародних змаганнях з олімпійських, неолімпійських видів спорту та видів спорту осіб з інвалідністю

Про деякі питання участі офіційних делегацій національних збірних команд України у міжнародних змаганнях з олімпійських, неолімпійських видів спорту та видів спорту осіб з інвалідністю

mms.gov.ua

I think that's smart of them. This makes it very clear to the IOC (and other NGBs) that allowing Russians to compete is choosing Russia over Ukraine.

 

[alice73]

Is it fair to characterize an entire country based on their leadership? Would it be fair to characterize the United States based on their erected president from 2016-2020?

What do you mean “characterize”? This isn’t about character. Most Russian athletes actually represent the state, and by extension their president and his rotten worldview. Many of them are openly proud of it.

 

[airgelaal]

Ukraine's first Olympic champion says Russians should be barred from Games​

Ukraine's first Olympic champion says Russians should be barred from Games

Wearing her blue and yellow tracksuit from the 1994 Olympics, former figure skater Oksana Baiul-Farina displays the gold medal she won for Ukraine at those Games as a 16-year-old.

www.reuters.com

 

[airgelaal]

Big interview with Oksana. It's in ukrainian, but google-translate is ok

Перша українська олімпійська чемпіонка Оксана Баюл: ніхто за лаштунками Олімпійських ігор не повинен радіти нашій відсутності. Хрін їм!

Перша олімпійська чемпіонка незалежної України, фігуристка Оксана Баюл розповіла УНІАН про наслідки, до яких може призвести заборона українським спортсменам брати участь в Олімпійських іграх 2024 року, чому у неї ніколи не складалися стосунки з колегами з країни-терориста, а також поділилася...

sport.unian.ua

Some quates

We have to go! No one behind the scenes should rejoice in our absence. **** them!

I will tell you a story. If you remember, in 2022 there was a scandal with Valieva, who was found to be doping at the Olympic Games. Plushenko himself always said: "It's not doping, it's ascorbic acid." All Russian sports have always sat on this, and now they are looking for legal alternative drugs. So, I, as an athlete who has never taken any such drugs, called my friend from Ukraine and asked: "Listen, why weren't we fed this shit?". And he told me: "Well, we didn't have any money, it's very expensive..."

 

[caseyedwards]

Ukraine's first Olympic champion says Russians should be barred from Games​

Ukraine's first Olympic champion says Russians should be barred from Games

Wearing her blue and yellow tracksuit from the 1994 Olympics, former figure skater Oksana Baiul-Farina displays the gold medal she won for Ukraine at those Games as a 16-year-old.

www.reuters.com

Forget her!

 

[caseyedwards]

What do you mean “characterize”? This isn’t about character. Most Russian athletes actually represent the state, and by extension their president and his rotten worldview. Many of them are openly proud of it.

False. State does not equal government policy and you can’t know the true beliefs of any Russians because they live under brutal killer dictator

 

[ChelleC]

Forget her!

Why? Because she's a Ukrainian who doesn't support your precious Russians?

How about we forget Viktor Petrenko instead?

 

[Vagabond]

Never forget.

Do Ignore.

 

[caseyedwards]

Why? Because she's a Ukrainian who doesn't support your precious Russians?

How about we forget Viktor Petrenko instead?

She called herself Russian for years!

 

[ChelleC]

Never forget.

Do Ignore.

Sometimes I make the mistake of hitting show ignored content.

 

[MacMadame]

Forget her!

I'd rather forget you!

She called herself Russian for years!

Not really.

 

[On My Own]

Forget her!

Katsalapov's horrifying twizzles must have done a real number on you.

 

[tmari]

[...] and you can’t know the true beliefs of any Russians because they live under brutal killer dictator

The Russian diaspora has sunk this argument like the Moskva.

How many have expressed condemnation of the Russian army's murdering, raping, torturing, beheading, child kidnappings, genocidal rhetoric, and daily bombardment of apartment buildings?

The Russian diaspora in the European Union and North America aren't living under a brutal dictator, yet few have bothered to condemn Putin's actions. Why have they organized pro-Russia rallies in the EU while Putin commits daily terrorist attacks on civilians in Ukraine?

Why are they so committed to whataboutism, distracting and deflecting attention away from what's happening in Ukraine?

The response of Russians outside Russia is not much different than what we see from Russians in Russia. Therefore, you can't claim that their behaviour in Russia is due to fear of a brutal dictator.

Don't forget that the Iranian diaspora, which despite being much smaller, has managed to send a loud and clear message that they condemn the Iranian regime.

 

[caseyedwards]

The Russian diaspora has sunk this argument like the Moskva.

How many have expressed condemnation of the Russian army's murdering, raping, torturing, beheading, child kidnappings, genocidal rhetoric, and daily bombardment of apartment buildings?

The Russian diaspora in the European Union and North America aren't living under a brutal dictator, yet few have bothered to condemn Putin's actions. Why have they organized pro-Russia rallies in the EU while Putin commits daily terrorist attacks on civilians in Ukraine?

Why are they so committed to whataboutism, distracting and deflecting attention away from what's happening in Ukraine?

The response of Russians outside Russia is not much different than what we see from Russians in Russia. Therefore, you can't claim that their behaviour in Russia is due to fear of a brutal dictator.

Don't forget that the Iranian diaspora, which despite being much smaller, has managed to send a loud and clear message that they condemn the Iranian regime.

Sometimes people in diasporas are more nationalist than the people in the original country. Like for instance Serbs outside of Serbia care far more about Kosovo than Serbs inside Serbia do. It’s pretty much consequence free. Though I do remember some Russian owned business in america putting Ukrainian flags out. I saw one a few towns over. It’s a supermarket in a largely Jewish town with a lot of Russian Jews and this business- Ukraine flags everywhere

 

[On My Own]

The Russian diaspora has sunk this argument like the Moskva.

How many have expressed condemnation of the Russian army's murdering, raping, torturing, beheading, child kidnappings, genocidal rhetoric, and daily bombardment of apartment buildings?

Actually, I'm certainly curious how many Russian diaspora have condemned the regime, too, because I don't think the answer is too small compared to the ones who haven't, even if they haven't too loudly.

Caseyedwards actually made a decent point there, "Sometimes people in diasporas are more nationalist than the people in the original country."... You live closer to an evil regime, the more you see its horrors, and the more you get disillusioned.

 

[airgelaal]

New sanctions list from the President of Ukraine:
Boikova Aleksandra
Bukin Ivan
Galliamov Aleksandr
Kondratiuk Mark
Kozlovskii Dmitrii
Kostornaia Alena
Samarin Aleksandr
Semenenko Evgenii
Stepanova Aleksandra
Tuktamisheva Elizaveta
Morozov Vladimir
Katsalapov Nikita
Averbukh Ilia
Aliev Dmitrii

https://www.president.gov.ua/documents/2282023-46529

 

[On My Own]

Tuktamysheva??? What did she do? I thought she was keeping away initially...

 

[Hedwig]

I wonder about Alena and Elizaveta

 

[airgelaal]

And I am surprised that there is no Sinitsina

 

[skatingguy]

Tuktamysheva??? What did she do? I thought she was keeping away initially...

I think this is more about anyone who benefits from the government finances, not necessarily that they did anything to support their actions.

 

[airgelaal]

Why hasn't he been banned yet?

Who needs Ukraine, no one is going there in the next ten years. I hope it will be sooner. I hope that it will already be called another country, that’s all

“Who needs Ukraine, no one is going there in the next ten years. I hope it will be sooner. I hope that it will already be called another country” Zhulin about imposed sanctions against a number of Russian athletes by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zel

Alexander Zhulin commented on including Nikita Katsalapov into the sanction list signed by Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky.

fs-gossips.com

 

[Marta24]

Zhulin being, as per usual, disgusting. I don't think I can stomach seeing him sitting in the KnC next season.

 

[airgelaal]

He has no understanding of ethics and morals. He doesn't even have the slightest respect for anyone. I don't understand, the ISU doesn't have an ethics committee?

 

[Hedwig]

I wish people would stop quoting Zhulin, he is just a despicable human being and was so even before the war. Just forget about his sorry existance.

 

[tmari]

Caseyedwards actually made a decent point there, "Sometimes people in diasporas are more nationalist than the people in the original country."... You live closer to an evil regime, the more you see its horrors, and the more you get disillusioned.

Can you provide examples of this disillusionment? After Putin launched the war, how many Russian skaters left Russia and expressed opposition to his actions?

Many in the Russian skating community, e.g. Krylova, Zhulin, Kostomarov, Dmitriev, etc. have lived abroad, know English, have money and connections. Many regularly go on vacations abroad. They're clearly not living in poverty.

If they're disillusioned but can't express their true feelings because of a brutal dictator, why didn't they try to move to a country where they can freely express their views?

They seem perfectly content to stay and listen to the genocidal rhetoric spouted daily on Russian TV.

 

[ninjapirate]

I think this is more about anyone who benefits from the government finances, not necessarily that they did anything to support their actions.

No, it's 100% for being at that Plushenko show and it's stupid that they're put on this list for that.