No-Longer-Prince Andrew

[miffy]

Doing research, I came upon interesting disclosures from Carolyn Andriano, now 35. At age 14, she was recruited into the Epstein/Maxwell fold. I immediately was disgusted at Maxwell, preying on a 14 year old. However, reading further, Andriano wasn't recruited by Maxwell, but by Giuffre!!!

Remember, Giuffre's suit against Andrew is for assault, and infliction of emotional distress. Andriano tells a different story. While Giuffre was in London with Epstein and Maxwell, she messaged Andriano who was in Florida, That she had dinner with the Prince/ Andriano asked if Giuffre was .able to visit the palace. Giuffre replies, I got to sleep with him, and repeated, bragging, that she got to sleep with the Prince. If Andriano repeats this in a Giuffre vs Andrew, trial, Giuffre's claims of assault and emotional distress would be demolished. However, it would also confirm that, contrary to Andrew's assertions, he did have sex with Giuffre, a 17 year old. So Andrew has painted himself in a corner, he can win. the case, only by admission of relations with a 17 year old. I still expect an out of court settlement.

Andrew 'may call Maxwell victim for DEFENCE to prove accuser wasn't a victim'

PRINCE Andrew’s lawyers may call one of Ghislaine Maxwell’s victims in a bid to fight the rape lawsuit he’s facing. Accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre said she is unlikely to accept…

www.the-sun.com

Virginia has always said how much she regrets bringing other girls in - not that it makes it ok in any way whatsoever! But what I mean is that was public knowledge for some time. Still, it would help sway a jury against her for sure - but as others have said, if Andrew says Virginia consented he has to admit he lied about not recalling that he met her. Unless his memory conveniently comes back just in time!

 

[b-man]

Virginia has always said how much she regrets bringing other girls in - not that it makes it ok in any way whatsoever! But what I mean is that was public knowledge for some time. Still, it would help sway a jury against her for sure - but as others have said, if Andrew says Virginia consented he has to admit he lied about not recalling that he met her. Unless his memory conveniently comes back just in time!

.I wasn't aware of Guiffre's recruiting. Was it also commonly known that Guiffre had bragged about having sex with the Prince? I think it's a form of legal blackmail which will succeed. Guiffre can't go to trial, she will lose, but the Prince would lose more in public opinion, so both parties need to settle.

 

[MacMadame]

Virginia has always said how much she regrets bringing other girls in - not that it makes it ok in any way whatsoever! But what I mean is that was public knowledge for some time. Still, it would help sway a jury against her for sure - but as others have said, if Andrew says Virginia consented he has to admit he lied about not recalling that he met her. Unless his memory conveniently comes back just in time!

Virginia was groomed. She was in an unreal situation and groomed to do what her handlers wanted of her. She may even have thought it was her own choice at the time and only realized what was going on as she got older and also got out of that environment. This is how sex trafficking often works.

It doesn't mean she's not a victim.

 

[miffy]

Virginia was groomed. She was in an unreal situation and groomed to do what her handlers wanted of her. She may even have thought it was her own choice at the time and only realized what was going on as she got older and also got out of that environment. This is how sex trafficking often works.

It doesn't mean she's not a victim.

I totally agree. All I meant was I wasn’t saying ‘it’s fine as she is sorry’. I put it badly.

 

[MacMadame]

I totally agree. All I meant was I wasn’t saying ‘it’s fine as she is sorry’. I put it badly.

I was really addressing this to people like b-man who seem to think that 17-year-old girls who were groomed for sex trafficking are somehow the same as grown-up women who willingly enter into relationships for money.

 

[attyfan]

Hmmm ....

Prince Charles in isolation, Prince William overseas - and very real questions about whether Prince Andrew could take on a major royal role - Royal Central

Even staying silent, Prince Andrew continues to cause controversy. It's now weeks since it was announced that his royal patronages had been returned to The

royalcentral.co.uk

 

[once_upon]

Hmmm ....

Prince Charles in isolation, Prince William overseas - and very real questions about whether Prince Andrew could take on a major royal role - Royal Central

Even staying silent, Prince Andrew continues to cause controversy. It's now weeks since it was announced that his royal patronages had been returned to The

royalcentral.co.uk

Seems a bit silly to present this "possibility". William can return to England in a matter of hours.

In either case (Charles and William) could do what many in the world have done during Covid - Zoom.

 

[JJH]

Princess Anne could perform any necessary functions better than Prince Andrew at any time or any place in any universe. Prince Edward is also reasonable alternative.

 

[Winnipeg]

Anne or Edward would be much better. ITA!

 

[Garden Kitty]

CNBC reporting that the parties have reached a settlement "In principle"

 

[attyfan]

Here's another article:

Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre agree to settle sex abuse lawsuit | CNN

Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre have reached an out-of-court settlement in her sexual abuse lawsuit against him, according to a court document filed by her attorneys Tuesday.

www.cnn.com

 

[skatfan]

CNBC reporting that the parties have reached a settlement "In principle"

Not a surprise but I’ll be curious about what can be said public.

 

[Winnipeg]

I guess he pleaded guilty.

 

[canbelto]

What an awful human being.

 

[Vagabond]

I guess he pleaded guilty.

It's not a criminal case.

 

[Winnipeg]

Right, thanks for the reminder. I just thought he was vocal about wanting to "prove" his innocence and a settlement does not really achieve that goal?

 

[mella]

Not a surprise but I’ll be curious about what can be said public.

Given the joint statement I suspect we'll hear no more of it.

Right, thanks for the reminder. I just thought he was vocal about wanting to "prove" his innocence and a settlement does not really achieve that goal?

Nor her's of holding him to account. Very disappointing outcome.

 

[Husky]

Jean-Luc Brunel was found hanged in his prison cell in France. This is a bit strange though he was on suicide watch. First Epstein, now Brunel?

One of Epstein's victims wants Prince Andrew to speak openly to authorities. Which is pretty naive. Why should Prince Andrew speak out, now that Brunel is dead? One witness less!

Victim of Epstein pimp Jean-Luc Brunel speaks after he was found dead

Following Jean-Luc Brunel's death, former model Courtney Powell Soerensen said it is 'past time' for Andrew to 'provide justice' for the victims of Brunel and Epstein.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[MacMadame]

Jean-Luc Brunel was found hanged in his prison cell in France. This is a bit strange though he was on suicide watch. First Epstein, now Brunel?

Not really. When I was following the group To Catch a Predator, there were definitely suicides when people were caught.

It's probably different for these adults who are rich and used to having their own rules. But I think both of them realized that they were finally going to pay the piper and they were too cowardly to face that.

 

[Vagabond]

Eugenie delayed sex trafficking podcast amid Prince Andrew allegations

PRINCESS EUGENIE delayed the production of her charity's podcast amid allegations against her father Prince Andrew, unearthed reports have claimed.

www.express.co.uk

The princess is preparing to launch a series of podcasts that will feature a variety of guests talking about modern slavery, including sex trafficking. The project is in collaboration with The Anti-Slavery Collective, the charity that Eugenie founded with her friend Julia de Boinville. A source told the Daily Mail that the princess plans to spend the summer “doubling down” on her charity commitments and focusing on her role as founder of the Anti-Slavery Collaborative, as she bids to distance her own reputation from her father’s.

 

[JJH]

Queen Elizabeth Shows She Doesn’t Care What the World Thinks About Prince Andrew

It should have been momentous enough for Queen Elizabeth to attend Prince Philip’s memorial service—but an emphatic show of support for shamed Prince Andrew was an added surprise.

www.thedailybeast.com

Prince Andrew, Banished From Royal Duties, Escorts Queen to Memorial (Published 2022)

The prince’s conspicuous public appearance at the service for his father, Prince Philip, who died last year, sent an unmistakable message of support by a 95-year-old mother for her disgraced son.

www.nytimes.com

Prince Andrew plays prominent role in Prince Philip memorial service

Royal makes first public appearance since settling sexual assault case filed against him by Virginia Giuffre

www.theguardian.com

Was Prince Andrew’s role at service a bid to rehabilitate ‘soiled royal’?

Analysis: Concerns about royal family’s judgment and message to abuse victims as prince appears at Queen’s side

www.theguardian.com

Queen Elizabeth Reportedly "Insisted" Prince Andrew Escort Her to Prince Philip's Memorial Service

There was uncertainty whether or not the Queen would be able to attend the service at Westminster Abbey today. But she showed up—on the arm of her controversial son, Prince Andrew.

www.townandcountrymag.com

Andrew in the role of personal escort for the Queen for Prince Philip's Memorial. I think that Charles should have been her escort. Andrew could have attended with Edward & Anne or his daughters.

What do you think?

 

[Lemonade20]

Queen Elizabeth Shows She Doesn’t Care What the World Thinks About Prince Andrew

It should have been momentous enough for Queen Elizabeth to attend Prince Philip’s memorial service—but an emphatic show of support for shamed Prince Andrew was an added surprise.

www.thedailybeast.com

Prince Andrew, Banished From Royal Duties, Escorts Queen to Memorial (Published 2022)

The prince’s conspicuous public appearance at the service for his father, Prince Philip, who died last year, sent an unmistakable message of support by a 95-year-old mother for her disgraced son.

www.nytimes.com

Prince Andrew plays prominent role in Prince Philip memorial service

Royal makes first public appearance since settling sexual assault case filed against him by Virginia Giuffre

www.theguardian.com

Was Prince Andrew’s role at service a bid to rehabilitate ‘soiled royal’?

Analysis: Concerns about royal family’s judgment and message to abuse victims as prince appears at Queen’s side

www.theguardian.com

Queen Elizabeth Reportedly "Insisted" Prince Andrew Escort Her to Prince Philip's Memorial Service

There was uncertainty whether or not the Queen would be able to attend the service at Westminster Abbey today. But she showed up—on the arm of her controversial son, Prince Andrew.

www.townandcountrymag.com

Andrew in the role of personal escort for the Queen for Prince Philip's Memorial. I think that Charles should have been her escort. Andrew could have attended with Edward & Anne or his daughters.

What do you think?

I'm surprised it wasn't Charles, but it also makes sense she would have Andrew there. He was there to support her too. It's also his father so he has the right to attend (even with everything happening) and I didn't see Fergie there. His daughters did attend too with their husbands. Everyone came with their spouses or family, including William & his two older ones.

 

[mella]

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[mella]

Queen Elizabeth Shows She Doesn’t Care What the World Thinks About Prince Andrew

It should have been momentous enough for Queen Elizabeth to attend Prince Philip’s memorial service—but an emphatic show of support for shamed Prince Andrew was an added surprise.

www.thedailybeast.com

Prince Andrew, Banished From Royal Duties, Escorts Queen to Memorial (Published 2022)

The prince’s conspicuous public appearance at the service for his father, Prince Philip, who died last year, sent an unmistakable message of support by a 95-year-old mother for her disgraced son.

www.nytimes.com

Prince Andrew plays prominent role in Prince Philip memorial service

Royal makes first public appearance since settling sexual assault case filed against him by Virginia Giuffre

www.theguardian.com

Was Prince Andrew’s role at service a bid to rehabilitate ‘soiled royal’?

Analysis: Concerns about royal family’s judgment and message to abuse victims as prince appears at Queen’s side

www.theguardian.com

Queen Elizabeth Reportedly "Insisted" Prince Andrew Escort Her to Prince Philip's Memorial Service

There was uncertainty whether or not the Queen would be able to attend the service at Westminster Abbey today. But she showed up—on the arm of her controversial son, Prince Andrew.

www.townandcountrymag.com

Andrew in the role of personal escort for the Queen for Prince Philip's Memorial. I think that Charles should have been her escort. Andrew could have attended with Edward & Anne or his daughters.

What do you think?

Perhaps she is under the deluded belief that his "settlement" means that business as usual can recommence. Complete disgrace to choose to be escorted by him when she has others sons and indeed grandsons.

I've never been pro or anti royal but every step over the last 2-3years pushes me closer towards the anti side. It's like they're on a different planet.

I'm surprised it wasn't Charles, but it also makes sense she would have Andrew there. He was there to support her too. It's also his father so he has the right to attend (even with everything happening) and I didn't see Fergie there. His daughters did attend too with their husbands. Everyone came with their spouses or family, including William & his two older ones.

Totally agree he had every right to be there. But escorting the queen when there are other options? Just no.

 

[Lemonade20]

Perhaps she is under the deluded belief that his "settlement" means that business as usual can recommence. Complete disgrace to choose to be escorted by him when she has others sons and indeed grandsons.

I've never been pro or anti royal but every step over the last 2-3years pushes me closer towards the anti side. It's like they're on a different planet.


Totally agree he had every right to be there. But escorting the queen when there are other options? Just no.

Who would you have preferred to have escort the Queen? She can choose anyone and she chose her son. Yes, not a fan, but it's a memorial service for her husband.

 

[attyfan]

I saw a documentary on the Royal Family (made long before the Andrew/Epstein scandal broke) that said that it was a news story written around the time of Andrew's birth -- pointing out that use of only the mother's maiden name was something that identified children as illegitimate --that resulted in the addition of Philip's surname of Mountbatten to the dynastic name of Windsor. If so, she might have thought it appropriate to have Andrew escort her to Philip's memorial.

 

[overedge]

I'm sure Andrew has given his mum all kinds of Pizza-Express no-sweating excuses for why he was being sued. The Queen also seems like she has a very good BS detector. And from the "court insider" column in Private Eye magazine, it sounds like William is very mindful of how badly Andrew is perceived, and was the major force behind the agreement that Andrew would stop royal duties. (The column said that basically Andrew was given the agreement and told to sign it as it was written, unless he wanted to lose absolutely everything.)

It's been said that Andrew is the Queen's favourite child, fair enough, but there must be some kind of serious behind-the-scenes Palace politics to ensure he keeps being pushed back into the public eye. I hope that Charles and/or William are a bit more firm about this not happening any more.

 

[MacMadame]

I saw a documentary on the Royal Family (made long before the Andrew/Epstein scandal broke) that said that it was a news story written around the time of Andrew's birth -- pointing out that use of only the mother's maiden name was something that identified children as illegitimate --that resulted in the addition of Philip's surname of Mountbatten to the dynastic name of Windsor. If so, she might have thought it appropriate to have Andrew escort her to Philip's memorial.

Charles is the oldest and future king. He should have been the first choice IMO.

 

[Andora]

Who would you have preferred to have escort the Queen? She can choose anyone and she chose her son. Yes, not a fan, but it's a memorial service for her husband.

I would have preferred Boris ****ing Johnson over Andrew. Anyone but him. Give me a god damned break about it being a service for her husband. If that's the case, don't take pictures. Keep it beyond private. This was a public event and thus another opportunity to show why the royal family needs to go.

As long as she is queen, she has the responsibility to not be so goddamn daft.

I saw a documentary on the Royal Family (made long before the Andrew/Epstein scandal broke) that said that it was a news story written around the time of Andrew's birth -- pointing out that use of only the mother's maiden name was something that identified children as illegitimate --that resulted in the addition of Philip's surname of Mountbatten to the dynastic name of Windsor. If so, she might have thought it appropriate to have Andrew escort her to Philip's memorial.

That's a lot of words to say nothing of value.

 

[mella]

Who would you have preferred to have escort the Queen? She can choose anyone and she chose her son. Yes, not a fan, but it's a memorial service for her husband.

Literally anyone.

If this were a private memorial I would say yes she is escorted by whomever she chooses but it was public and widely photographed and reported on.

The limited acknowledgement by the BRF of the issues with his behaviour was a ban on public life moving forward.

I accept this was a tricky event being a memorial for a family member whilst also being public so yes it would unfair as a family to bar his attendance but it was wrong for the Queen as a so called public servant to allow him to be in a highly public and prominent role (a mark of honour really) such as escorting her when he is supposedly no longer having a public life. There were better options.

It'll be interesting to see what happens at the jubilee celebrations. If she makes similar choices it may cast a shadow over the entire event although no doubt some will try to make it about whether or not Harry et al attend