Prince Andrew

[Lemonade20]

Andrew's naval career meant that they only spent 40 days a year together. I think that was a huge part of her seeking an affair with the other guy.

He was no angel himself.

 

[Judy]

He was no angel himself.

I'm sure.

 

[Cachoo]

He was no angel himself.

With the Fergie toe suck I wondered if the family was irritated with her for the affair or for her failure to keep it discreet.

 

[Lemonade20]

With the Fergie toe suck I wondered if the family was irritated with her for the affair or for her failure to keep it discreet.

Both. Phillip never forgave her after that. It's embarrassing to the BRF. Who knew Andrew would go on to be even worse?

 

[Winnipeg]

What a mess.

 

[vgerdes]

The more I read, the more I really wonder why Fergie packed up her girls and left Andrew. I'm wondering what all she knew. Am I wrong to be suspicious?

No. All the things coming out about Prince Andrew really do shed a whole new light on why Fergie might have walked away. On the other hand, they do still appear to be on friendly terms, and she's spoken quite glowingly of him, which is a bit puzzling if she really did know what he was up to with Epstein.

 

[Vagabond]

My perception was they got divorced because Fergie couldn't behave up to a certain standard.

Neither one of them has ever been able to behave up to that certain standard. That's what attracted them to each other in the first place and why they still live together even after the divorce.

 

[miffy]

IIRC she did a recent interview saying she believes him and still loves him

 

[overedge]

With the Fergie toe suck I wondered if the family was irritated with her for the affair or for her failure to keep it discreet.

Well, it was discreet except for the photographer with the zoom lens

It's also a bit of a double standard. Men in the Royal Family can play around on the side, as long as it's within their social circle who will look the other way, but the women are supposed to be faithful no matter what.

 

[Lemonade20]

Well, it was discreet except for the photographer with the zoom lens

It's also a bit of a double standard. Men in the Royal Family can play around on the side, as long as it's within their social circle who will look the other way, but the women are supposed to be faithful no matter what.

So true, they used to chase & harrass Diana post-divorce and called her all kinds of names. Catherine wasn't immune to the paparazzi either, remember that topless zoom shot? No one, not even the BRF, is perfect. But it's impossible to be yourself when someone's always watching.

 

[Cachoo]

Well, it was discreet except for the photographer with the zoom lens

It's also a bit of a double standard. Men in the Royal Family can play around on the side, as long as it's within their social circle who will look the other way, but the women are supposed to be faithful no matter what.

Yes, I remember hearing how angry Prince Philip was and thinking he was such a hypocrite.

 

[overedge]

I think I've mentioned this before, but allegedly when Charles and Diana were still married and Charles and Camilla were an item, Camilla's husband, Andrew Parker Bowles, used to boast to his friends that the Prince of Wales was f***ing his wife. And Parker Bowles regularly cheated on Camilla himself, starting only a few months after they were married. So, yes, double standard.

 

[Judy]

Just saw this in my paper .. not Andrew related but …

Ghislaine Maxwell case could head to retrial after juror's sexual abuse revelation

Speaking after Maxwell was found guilty of enticing minors to be abused, the juror described himself as a survivor of sexual abuse and indicated that this had infor…

ottawasun.com

 

[Winnipeg]

It is definitely a double standard. I think Charles may have thought Diana would simply accept his affair as normal and carry on but obviously she did not.

 

[Andora]

Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre’s legal deal with Jeffrey Epstein released

Unsealing stems from Giuffre’s sexual abuse lawsuit against duke, filed in Manhattan federal court in August

www.theguardian.com

This might protect him from civil liability, but it won't stop a criminal investigation. And that he had to rely on the settlement agreement is a public relations fiasco for him.

The best thing he could do now would be to withdraw to his mother's estate in Scotland and stay there. He won't, of course.

The best thing would be for him to stop receiving such damn protection from his family. We see how the royals actually feel about familial bonds if you don't act a certain way. Andrew is continually given protection when he shouldn't be, and it's disgusting.

I used to have some soft affection for Liz. But the queen's continued protection of him has completely erased that. She's as bad as the rest of them.

I know it's two totally different sets of circumstances, but it is rather appalling how Harry was treated when compared to how Andrew is being treated by the Queen. Specifically with regards to military positions/patronages.

Exactly.

At least Andrew was involved with a white (underage) girl. Nothing so bad as marrying a biracial actress.

 

[Karen-W]

I used to have some soft affection for Liz. But the queen's continued protection of him has completely erased that. She's as bad as the rest of them.

Do you have kids? It takes a lot more than anything Andrew has done to turn on your child.

 

[Vagabond]

Do you have kids? It takes a lot more than anything Andrew has done to turn on your child.

No doubt, at least in this particular family. On the other hand, I don't think that Andrew's older brother feels the same way as their mother does.

 

[Andora]

Do you have kids? It takes a lot more than anything Andrew has done to turn on your child.

The world needs fewer mothers who protect their criminal children, and a lot more taking personal responsibility for actions.

But impressive defense of Prince Andrew.

 

[Karen-W]

No doubt, at least in this particular family. On the other hand, I don't think that Andrew's older brother feels the same way as their mother does.

Well, in my experience, siblings are often far more honest/critical of each other than their parents. It doesn't mean we don't love each other but it's just not the same unconditional love that most parents have for their kids.

The world needs fewer mothers who protect their criminal children, and a lot more taking personal responsibility for actions.

But impressive defense of Prince Andrew.

You get back to me once you have kids, okay, then? Seriously, what is Andrew guilty of? Possibly sleeping with a 17-year old girl when he was in his mid-40s? And hanging out with a cretin like Epstein instead of breaking off the friendship after the first allegations surfaced in the mid-00s? He's guilty of arrogance and bad judgment, sure, but he's hardly a criminal. Really, go infect Twitter with your faux-rage.

 

[Andora]

Well, in my experience, siblings are often far more honest/critical of each other than their parents. It doesn't mean we don't love each other but it's just not the same unconditional love that most parents have for their kids.

You get back to me once you have kids, okay, then? Seriously, what is Andrew guilty of? Possibly sleeping with a 17-year old girl when he was in his mid-40s? And hanging out with a cretin like Epstein instead of breaking off the friendship after the first allegations surfaced in the mid-00s? He's guilty of arrogance and bad judgment, sure, but he's hardly a criminal. Really, go infect Twitter with your faux-rage.

Did I stutter?

The world needs fewer mothers who protect their criminal children, and a lot more taking personal responsibility for actions.

Last I heard, Andrew continues to try and dodge criminal and civil investigations/cases regarding having sex with a minor who was trafficed by his friend, Ghislaine.

But please tell me again how it's no big deal.

 

[attyfan]

I fail to see how HMQ is "protecting" her son or "failing to take responsibility" for his misdeeds committed as an adult.

 

[once_upon]

A relationship with a parent and a child, even an adult child, is very complicated.

One can disapproved/hate what the child/adult child has done. Can have sought help for them, tried to do everything that could possibly be done, yet the child/adult never accepts responsibility for actions.

But it still doesn't change the fact that you are their parent - for better or worse. I know there are people who gave birth who can walk away from a child, even an adult child, and not look back. But I dont think I could be one of them.

Perhaps you want the BRF to kick him down the road, drive him to prison, hang him at the gallows, I dont know. We don't know what has gone on behind Palace walls, and when he's convicted (if), the BRF may do some of those things, but right I assume the lawyers have all advised the no comment avenue.

 

[Deleted member 221]

The world needs fewer mothers who protect their criminal children, and a lot more taking personal responsibility for actions.

For once, we're in agreement.

(That said, I still have some affection for the Queen, despite being a republican. I understand the monarchy better after living in the UK and see its beneficial points even if I don't really support it.)

 

[Lemonade20]

I don't blame the Queen for how she handled Andrew. It must be difficult wearing the crown. She has done the best she could in raising a family and also keeping up with her royal obligations. If her son turned out to be a dick, why blame her? He needs to accept what he did was wrong and take the hit. He's a full grown adult and he can accept full responsibility for being an ass.

 

[kwanfan1818]

f her son turned out to be a dick, why blame her? He needs to accept what he did was wrong and take the hit. He's a full grown adult and he can accept full responsibility for being an ass.

I haven't seen any blame on her for how he turned out. The blame is for protecting him.

 

[once_upon]

I haven't seen any blame on her for how he turned out. The blame is for protecting him.

At the current moment, I'm guessing the lawyers are telling the BRF to keep their collective mouths shut.

 

[kwanfan1818]

At the current moment, I'm guessing the lawyers are telling the BRF to keep their collective mouths shut.

I grew up in a town where at least two sets of grandparents from every family was from Sicily. Almost none of the mothers would tolerate any criticism of their child publicly, but behind closed doors, well, you just didn't want to be the kid. And then their fathers would come home...

 

[MLIS]

I read tonight that Andrew has to sell his ski chalet in Switzerland (where Fergie and the girls and their families have been holidaying this week) because the Queen has made it clear she will not be paying any legal fees or settlement with Andrew’s accuser. That doesn’t absolve her, of course, she has protected and coddled him for years, but poor baby! Not the ski chalet in Switzerland!

 

[MacMadame]

Do you have kids? It takes a lot more than anything Andrew has done to turn on your child.

I have kids. If my son did something illegal, like rape a girl, I would make him turn himself in. I certainly wouldn't protect him.

I grew up in a town where at least two sets of grandparents from every family was from Sicily. Almost none of the mothers would tolerate any criticism of their child publicly, but behind closed doors, well, you just didn't want to be the kid. And then their fathers would come home...

It was like that in my neighborhood too (and for all the families, not just the Italian ones). I swore when I grew up and had kids, that I would not behave like that.

 

[Judy]

I read tonight that Andrew has to sell his ski chalet in Switzerland (where Fergie and the girls and their families have been holidaying this week) because the Queen has made it clear she will not be paying any legal fees or settlement with Andrew’s accuser. That doesn’t absolve her, of course, she has protected and coddled him for years, but poor baby! Not the ski chalet in Switzerland!

I think this is the reason.

Prince Andrew is selling his $23 million Swiss ski chalet to settle a lawsuit, report says

Andrew still owes $9 million on his Swiss chalet but has agreed to pay his debts with profits from the sale, according to the Times of London.

www.insider.com