Lemonade20
If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
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He was no angel himself.Andrew's naval career meant that they only spent 40 days a year together. I think that was a huge part of her seeking an affair with the other guy.
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He was no angel himself.Andrew's naval career meant that they only spent 40 days a year together. I think that was a huge part of her seeking an affair with the other guy.
I'm sure.He was no angel himself.
With the Fergie toe suck I wondered if the family was irritated with her for the affair or for her failure to keep it discreet.He was no angel himself.
Both. Phillip never forgave her after that. It's embarrassing to the BRF. Who knew Andrew would go on to be even worse?With the Fergie toe suck I wondered if the family was irritated with her for the affair or for her failure to keep it discreet.
No. All the things coming out about Prince Andrew really do shed a whole new light on why Fergie might have walked away. On the other hand, they do still appear to be on friendly terms, and she's spoken quite glowingly of him, which is a bit puzzling if she really did know what he was up to with Epstein.The more I read, the more I really wonder why Fergie packed up her girls and left Andrew. I'm wondering what all she knew. Am I wrong to be suspicious?
Neither one of them has ever been able to behave up to that certain standard. That's what attracted them to each other in the first place and why they still live together even after the divorce.My perception was they got divorced because Fergie couldn't behave up to a certain standard.
With the Fergie toe suck I wondered if the family was irritated with her for the affair or for her failure to keep it discreet.
So true, they used to chase & harrass Diana post-divorce and called her all kinds of names. Catherine wasn't immune to the paparazzi either, remember that topless zoom shot? No one, not even the BRF, is perfect. But it's impossible to be yourself when someone's always watching.Well, it was discreet except for the photographer with the zoom lens
It's also a bit of a double standard. Men in the Royal Family can play around on the side, as long as it's within their social circle who will look the other way, but the women are supposed to be faithful no matter what.
Yes, I remember hearing how angry Prince Philip was and thinking he was such a hypocrite.Well, it was discreet except for the photographer with the zoom lens
It's also a bit of a double standard. Men in the Royal Family can play around on the side, as long as it's within their social circle who will look the other way, but the women are supposed to be faithful no matter what.
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Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre’s legal deal with Jeffrey Epstein released
Unsealing stems from Giuffre’s sexual abuse lawsuit against duke, filed in Manhattan federal court in Augustwww.theguardian.com
This might protect him from civil liability, but it won't stop a criminal investigation. And that he had to rely on the settlement agreement is a public relations fiasco for him.
The best thing he could do now would be to withdraw to his mother's estate in Scotland and stay there. He won't, of course.
I know it's two totally different sets of circumstances, but it is rather appalling how Harry was treated when compared to how Andrew is being treated by the Queen. Specifically with regards to military positions/patronages.
Do you have kids? It takes a lot more than anything Andrew has done to turn on your child.I used to have some soft affection for Liz. But the queen's continued protection of him has completely erased that. She's as bad as the rest of them.
No doubt, at least in this particular family. On the other hand, I don't think that Andrew's older brother feels the same way as their mother does.Do you have kids? It takes a lot more than anything Andrew has done to turn on your child.
Do you have kids? It takes a lot more than anything Andrew has done to turn on your child.
Well, in my experience, siblings are often far more honest/critical of each other than their parents. It doesn't mean we don't love each other but it's just not the same unconditional love that most parents have for their kids.No doubt, at least in this particular family. On the other hand, I don't think that Andrew's older brother feels the same way as their mother does.
You get back to me once you have kids, okay, then? Seriously, what is Andrew guilty of? Possibly sleeping with a 17-year old girl when he was in his mid-40s? And hanging out with a cretin like Epstein instead of breaking off the friendship after the first allegations surfaced in the mid-00s? He's guilty of arrogance and bad judgment, sure, but he's hardly a criminal. Really, go infect Twitter with your faux-rage.
The world needs fewer mothers who protect their criminal children, and a lot more taking personal responsibility for actions.
But impressive defense of Prince Andrew.
Well, in my experience, siblings are often far more honest/critical of each other than their parents. It doesn't mean we don't love each other but it's just not the same unconditional love that most parents have for their kids.
You get back to me once you have kids, okay, then? Seriously, what is Andrew guilty of? Possibly sleeping with a 17-year old girl when he was in his mid-40s? And hanging out with a cretin like Epstein instead of breaking off the friendship after the first allegations surfaced in the mid-00s? He's guilty of arrogance and bad judgment, sure, but he's hardly a criminal. Really, go infect Twitter with your faux-rage.
The world needs fewer mothers who protect their criminal children, and a lot more taking personal responsibility for actions.
I haven't seen any blame on her for how he turned out. The blame is for protecting him.f her son turned out to be a dick, why blame her? He needs to accept what he did was wrong and take the hit. He's a full grown adult and he can accept full responsibility for being an ass.
At the current moment, I'm guessing the lawyers are telling the BRF to keep their collective mouths shut.I haven't seen any blame on her for how he turned out. The blame is for protecting him.
I grew up in a town where at least two sets of grandparents from every family was from Sicily. Almost none of the mothers would tolerate any criticism of their child publicly, but behind closed doors, well, you just didn't want to be the kid. And then their fathers would come home...At the current moment, I'm guessing the lawyers are telling the BRF to keep their collective mouths shut.
I have kids. If my son did something illegal, like rape a girl, I would make him turn himself in. I certainly wouldn't protect him.Do you have kids? It takes a lot more than anything Andrew has done to turn on your child.
It was like that in my neighborhood too (and for all the families, not just the Italian ones). I swore when I grew up and had kids, that I would not behave like that.I grew up in a town where at least two sets of grandparents from every family was from Sicily. Almost none of the mothers would tolerate any criticism of their child publicly, but behind closed doors, well, you just didn't want to be the kid. And then their fathers would come home...
I think this is the reason.I read tonight that Andrew has to sell his ski chalet in Switzerland (where Fergie and the girls and their families have been holidaying this week) because the Queen has made it clear she will not be paying any legal fees or settlement with Andrew’s accuser. That doesn’t absolve her, of course, she has protected and coddled him for years, but poor baby! Not the ski chalet in Switzerland!