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It's obvious but not blunt.It's obvious, and it is blunt.

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It's obvious but not blunt.It's obvious, and it is blunt.
Fan cam:Today I got a new unbelievable experience to perform at the hockey match SKA - CSKA in Saint Petersburg with 62,000 hockey fans! It is the record high audience in my practice ??. There was fantastic atmosphere at the venue and I enjoyed your energy a lot ??⛸??. Thank you to the organizers for the invitation and fans for your warm reception ??
People always forget that Sarah Hughes didn’t retire after winning Olympic gold. She competed at Nationals and Worlds in 2003.
Thanks to jack Gallagher’s article, here’s Eteri’s coaching philosophy according to her sister: “Everything is very simple, no need to go deep into psychology, blame it on puberty or problems with coach staff, there are no problems except laziness, reluctance and relaxation. To win, you must follow the regime and train!”
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Yuzuru Hanyu's return, Daisuke Takahashi's farewell headline nationals
Yuzuru Hanyu returns to the Japan Championships this week for the first time in four years. After winning the title four straight times (2012-15), Hanyu has missed the last three installments due to illness and injury.www.japantimes.co.jp
That sounds just about right for Eteri. When it comes to her inability to transition older skaters into their adult body, It’s not just about imperfect jumping techniques and imperfect skating skills, which you can work on and improve slowly over time, like many or maybe most of the successful older female skaters have done. But it is her one size fits all approach that doesn’t work for older skaters. Many older skaters and coaches have said the key is to recognize that your body is now different, and you can’t train or skate like you used to. You have to Change not only the skating itself but also the training regime. Fewer repetitions, smarter focus.
I think Zagitova does have to change coaches if she wants to return to competitive skating.
I just want to put it out there that just getting older doesn't make you automatically graceful or elegant. If you want to be these things, you must work at it. We can all name dozens of older skaters who have neither.I've seen a lot of mention of Kostner in these discussions and honestly it's not a fair comparison - show me a competitive programme by Kostner when she was 15 and 16 that showed elegance and i'll accept the argument. It took Kostner the best part of a decade to hone those skills into what we saw in the final few years. When she was 15-17 she was an incredbily fast, mostly lacking control skater with the big jumps at the time (3/3 combos), not unlike the young quadster girls now.
No 15-16 year old has the grace and elegance of an older skater (Kwan gave it a really good go when she came back at 16 but would develop and get better).
Skating is first and foremost a sport, the younger you are the more you focus on your technical elements and the basic skating technique that gets you there. The finessing and polishing comes later. None of the young quad jumpers have been on the senior scene for even a year yet. No skater makes a splash for their performance/artistry their first year of seniors (Though Kostornaia is pretty close for me) .
I'm not sure that Tutberidze will turn out to be a coach that can get skaters through puberty and out the other side, but i also think we need to give these young girls a chance to develop before we compare them unfavourably to skaters in their late 20s.
I just want to put it out there that just getting older doesn't make you automatically graceful or elegant. If you want to be these things, you must work at it. We can all name dozens of older skaters who have neither.
People always forget that Sarah Hughes didn’t retire after winning Olympic gold. She competed at Nationals and Worlds in 2003.
It is a well known fact that Sarah Hughes competed one more season after the Olympics. She did not win the Nationals (ever) and in the Worlds following the Olympics she came in 6th. Then went to University (good for her).There’s a reason people forget those performances
a) that comment was NOT about Zagitova but training in general. and it's already been discussed.Thanks to jack Gallagher’s article, here’s Eteri’s coaching philosophy according to her sister: “Everything is very simple, no need to go deep into psychology, blame it on puberty or problems with coach staff, there are no problems except laziness, reluctance and relaxation. To win, you must follow the regime and train!”
Darling, everyone in Russia knows that Eteri Georgievna will chew you up and and SPIT YOU OUT... You seem to be a tad behind the times.
If only "jealousy for another's success" weren't the oldest trope... and the most tired one. Take things at face value.very presumption of you..... But you can't help it, you're "with the times" as far as "jealousy for another's success"..
... and the most true. I would suggest that you should take things at face value, but it's pointless to tell that to a person with a special agenda..If only "jealousy for another's success" weren't the oldest trope... and the most tired one. Take things at face value.
You are welcome. I've been registered for ages, just never got around to posting. I think it's a good idea to provide a different Russian perspective. From someone who actually lives in Russia. By the way, the envy trope is only true for those who are strongly motivated by the green eyed monster themselves. As far as Eteri Georgievna is concerned, I am strongly opposed to her training methods. I will leave it at that.... and the most true. I would suggest that you should take things at face value, but it's pointless to tell that to a person with a special agenda..
... but thank you for taking the time to register just to say "something" about Tuberidze, any increase of membership on a social site is good for the site.
95% of negative stuff about Eteri Tutberidze are lies, intentional lies and exaggerations. The other 5% are subjective issues.You are welcome. I've been registered for ages, just never got around to posting. I think it's a good idea to provide a different Russian perspective. From someone who actually lives in Russia. By the way, the envy trope is only true for those who are strongly motivated by the green eyed monster themselves. As far as Eteri Georgievna is concerned, I am strongly opposed to her training methods. I will leave it at that.
Isn't that what they said about Stalin? 95% are lies, 5% are psychological deficiencies of the critics. In any case, I admire your devotion.95% of negative stuff about Eteri Tutberidze are lies, intentional lies and exaggerations. The other 5% are subjective issues.
Was not it said about Alfred Dreyfus that he was a traitor and wrongly accused of treason, due to convenience of several interested and truly guilty parties? Was not he sent to the Devil's Island, and the whole country believed he was guilty, until people/Zola, made efforts to prove he is not?Isn't that what they said about Stalin? 95% are lies, 5% are psychological deficiencies of the critics. In any case, I admire your devotion.
Tinami was a regular poster on this forum when Eteri was still learning to use lipstick. Which you would of course know if you were a "regular" - or would you?The comments was posted right after the GPF, correct? Right after Zagitova's poor performance. With a discussion about Eteri's inability to coach a skaters past puberty flaring up. But it's not about Zagitova? Ummm, right. Tinami is correct about the regime thing though - in Russian it means simply a training routine, i.e. training, sleeping, eating, doing cardio, etc.
Just read through some comments and realized Tinami Amori is an Eteri devotee, rather than a fan of a particular skater. Darling, everyone in Russia knows that Eteri Georgievna will chew you up and and SPIT YOU OUT. Just like she did with Lipnitskaya, Medvedeva and now Zagitova. You seem to be a tad behind the times.
True, but I am not so sure whether it is perfectly normal to be so fanatical in her devotion. It seems to me that the intensity of her devotion is crossing the line to pathological obsession.It's perfectly normal to be a devotee of a coach who delivers such exceptional results.
Etri was born knowing how to use lipstick, she has one-up on me, even when she was racing tricycle under her mother's dining room table...Tinami was a regular poster on this forum when Eteri was still learning to use lipstick. Which you would of course know if you were a "regular" - or would you?
It's perfectly normal to be a devotee of a coach who delivers such exceptional results.
You don't need to be a message board regular to recognize obsessive behavior. And there is more to skating, sports and life in general than "exceptional results." Respect and genuine caring about other human beings come to mind.Tinami was a regular poster on this forum when Eteri was still learning to use lipstick. Which you would of course know if you were a "regular" - or would you?
It's perfectly normal to be a devotee of a coach who delivers such exceptional results.
Shelepen - "i realized later how right she was. she did more for me than a coach. she worried about my education, taught me poetry".
That's exactly what we come here to discuss - respect and genuine caring about other human beings.You don't need to be a message board regular to recognize obsessive behavior. And there is more to skating, sports and life in general than "exceptional results." Respect and genuine caring about other human beings come to mind.
It's clearly not what you come here to discuss. But that's a personal choice, isn't it? I view the world of figure skating as something that shouldn't be void of normal values. Such as respect and caring about other human beings.That's exactly what we come here to discuss - respect and genuine caring about other human beings.
Polina Edmund's was also dealing with a bone bruise which caused pain when she skated. I cannot remember how that injury coincided with college. Wondering if the injury allowed her more time to focus on college.A coach can cope with the problem, and Eteri has been coping for 2 seasons. But the skater him/herself has to want to cope. People are given FREE CHOICE..... Don't you westerners believe in "free choice" and "individuality"? i am starting to doubt....
Make her skate - evil. Let her not skate - evil.... "evil everything" only if it is the coach is the one some-one does not like because of her success.
Sarah Hughes' coach also did not hold her from retiring after Sarah decided to leave the sport after winning Olympics to get an education.
Polina Edmunds' coach also did not stop Polina from going to college, where she developed new friendships and interests, posted many happy photos, and now is skating for fun....
Osmond also, won all she could, realized it is the most she can win, and retired......
Sotnikova won Olympics, and got side tracked after it... Buianova and her "god-father" Tarasova, in spite of all the yelling and convincing, were not able to bring her back. She tried with Plushenko..... and still never returned. She was 16 when she won the Olympics, and did not do much in competitive sports since... Do we have any hysterics over Buianov, Tarasova, Plushenko "not doing enough" for her?
Some tried for years, and did not win anything, or less than they wanted to, and retired... (long list of names).
Some tried for years, finally won something big, and immediately retired... (long list of names).
Some started young, had some success and left before anything major was accomplished.... (long list of names).
Eteri is "King of the Hill" and people are simply trying to bring her down. It's obvious, and it is blunt.