Grammar question

Had to go back aways to find this thread so I can rant.

In the new Mary Higgins Clark book - she spelled one of the character's names wrong TWICE on the same page (and right the other times on the same page). Why wouldn't she or proofreaders or editors catch that? It's not like it's her first book put out by some unknown publishing house that can't afford to hire professionals to catch mistakes. D-rives me c-razy!!!!
 
O.k. - I have ABSOLUTELY HAD IT. This is what I put on the Miamisburg News Facebook page:

"Who wrote/edited the Spring Fling magazine in this week's paper? A third grader? How embarrassing. The numerous typos in the regular paper are bad enough. This was just painful to try to read."

There were only 12 "articles" among the 32 pages of ads, talking about the entertainment or crafts or history of the Spring Fling - like 2-3 paragraphs each. EVERY ONE OF THEM had at least FIVE MISTAKES. Took me 15 minutes (without REWRITING the incomplete sentences). No wonder people in more affluent communities around here think we are a bunch of uneducated hicks. (I should have put that on Facebook. ha ha)
 
O.k. - I have ABSOLUTELY HAD IT. This is what I put on the Miamisburg News Facebook page:

"Who wrote/edited the Spring Fling magazine in this week's paper? A third grader? How embarrassing. The numerous typos in the regular paper are bad enough. This was just painful to try to read."

There were only 12 "articles" among the 32 pages of ads, talking about the entertainment or crafts or history of the Spring Fling - like 2-3 paragraphs each. EVERY ONE OF THEM had at least FIVE MISTAKES. Took me 15 minutes (without REWRITING the incomplete sentences). No wonder people in more affluent communities around here think we are a bunch of uneducated hicks. (I should have put that on Facebook. ha ha)

Whoever put the insert together must have written the web page too -

Arts & Crafts Show.....
If you would like to participate as an vendor please download and mail in the application

Spring Fling Parade
Starts at 9:45 from the MMCIC parking lot and other locations along the parade route. The parade will proceed down Mound Avenue to First Street and proceeding north to Central Avenue, turning right on Central and proceeding East past Library Park and disbanding at Sixth Street.


Huh? And the book said disbanding at Sixth AND Seventh Street. Okey dokey. I guess if it starts at different locations, it can end a block apart too??
Sheeeeeesh.
 
Ah ha! I win. I have the ULTIMATE TYPO!!!!! The whole page B2 of the Dayton (OHIO) Daily News, which is supposed to be the local and state page, is full of stories from the Metro section of......................ATLANTA, GEORGIA!!! Holy Oops, Batman! HOW in the world?
 
Ah ha! I win. I have the ULTIMATE TYPO!!!!! The whole page B2 of the Dayton (OHIO) Daily News, which is supposed to be the local and state page, is full of stories from the Metro section of......................ATLANTA, GEORGIA!!! Holy Oops, Batman! HOW in the world?

The DDN is owned by Cox Media, which is headquartered in Atlanta. Someone clearly made a computer error.
 
The DDN is owned by Cox Media, which is headquartered in Atlanta. Someone clearly made a computer error.
:wuzrobbed Demise of the locally-owned newspapers/media. Actually :wuzrobbed for demise of most newspapers, locally-owned or part of conglomerates. :fragile:
 
:wuzrobbed Demise of the locally-owned newspapers/media. Actually :wuzrobbed for demise of most newspapers, locally-owned or part of conglomerates. :fragile:

Cox Media was founded in Dayton; the DDN was its first newspaper. The company still has a very strong presence in Dayton, so all is not lost (although the print version of the newspaper is dying on the vine)
 
Cox Media was founded in Dayton; the DDN was its first newspaper. The company still has a very strong presence in Dayton, so all is not lost (although the print version of the newspaper is dying on the vine)

Because there are no actual journalists anymore? They hire kids who only know how to blog and youtube and make up incomplete sentences without the word "the" or punctuation because it takes up too many characters?........

Two other people mentioned the incorrect page in the paper. One said someone must have pushed the wrong button. Welcome to the digital age where you can "push a button" and publish a whole wrong page without anyone there noticing.

Another person posted about a "big error" the other day. Uh, if I got a 10 cent discount every time I found an error, they'd end up paying me to subscribe to the paper!
 
I think more because most people prefer to read their news electronically rather than on paper these days.

I stopped buying newspapers before online news was so easily accessible, just because I didn't want to deal with the clutter of all that paper and the effort of recycling it all.

But as the mechanisms of access change, so do the kinds of articles that get read most and therefore that get written.
 
Because there are no actual journalists anymore? They hire kids who only know how to blog and youtube and make up incomplete sentences without the word "the" or punctuation because it takes up too many characters?........

Because people don't buy newspapers. Or rather, because the majority of subscribers who buy the print version of the DDN are retired senior citizens (which is why they keep redesigning the paper--to make it better for seniors to read) and as they die, they are not being replaced by new subscribers.

It's hard to get quality journalists when you have talented, award-winning reporters who quit writing and go back to managing a Pizza Hut or working in construction because the pay is better. This has happened at the DDN.

Welcome to the digital age where you can "push a button" and publish a whole wrong page without anyone there noticing.

Another person posted about a "big error" the other day. Uh, if I got a 10 cent discount every time I found an error, they'd end up paying me to subscribe to the paper!

Newspapers have always had issues with errors; it's part of being in a business where you have produce a new and complex product every 24 hours.

I used to work for the Writer's Hotline and there were people who would call me every. single. day. so I could confirm for them that this or that was an error in the DDN and supply a rule that explained why. They would take careful notes and then write a letter to the DDN detailing all the errors that they found. I used to wonder just how small their little worlds were.
 
I think more because most people prefer to read their news electronically rather than on paper these days.

I stopped buying newspapers before online news was so easily accessible, just because I didn't want to deal with the clutter of all that paper and the effort of recycling it all.

But as the mechanisms of access change, so do the kinds of articles that get read most and therefore that get written.

I guess I just feel the same about the newspaper as I do about reading a physical book. I've tried going to the paper's website, but you can't just read something you want to read because of the headline. You have to click here and then click there and not find what you are looking for because it is not in the same section it would be in the physical paper. What about the comics? And the Sunday coupons and ads and Parade magazine? I know, I could spend an hour trying to find all of those things online too. If I want to know what is on sale at Kohl's, I do not wish to click on women's, then click on sportwear, then click on tops, then click on page 1, scroll over scroll down, then page 2, scroll over scroll down, then page 3...........
 
Because people don't buy newspapers. Or rather, because the majority of subscribers who buy the print version of the DDN are retired senior citizens (which is why they keep redesigning the paper--to make it better for seniors to read) and as they die, they are not being replaced by new subscribers.

It's hard to get quality journalists when you have talented, award-winning reporters who quit writing and go back to managing a Pizza Hut or working in construction because the pay is better. This has happened at the DDN.



Newspapers have always had issues with errors; it's part of being in a business where you have produce a new and complex product every 24 hours.

I used to work for the Writer's Hotline and there were people who would call me every. single. day. so I could confirm for them that this or that was an error in the DDN and supply a rule that explained why. They would take careful notes and then write a letter to the DDN detailing all the errors that they found. I used to wonder just how small their little worlds were.

If they are going to get paid to put out a physical paper that "retired senior citizens" pay for, why don't they have to do it correctly? Why is it o.k. to make mistakes every. single. day.? It's not like there is only one subquality journalist working at the whole paper who has to write every. single. article. and doesn't have time to proofread or anyone else there who has the common sense to check for errors. It's not like they have to "stop the presses" to print breaking news. I saw the report of Mohammed (sp? I can't get that to look right - sorry - and I'm not getting paid to look it up) Ali's death on the morning news. Then I read the paper and it said that he was sick. Yeah........ Most people who make mistakes every. single. day. would not keep their jobs very long. In my small little world, I always wonder what has happened to taking pride in your work (whether you write newspaper headlines, make pizzas or build houses), being conscientious, getting what you pay for, writing/typing correct grammar and spelling.............. Maybe the DDN should hire mistake finders. Oh, wait, I think those are called editors?
 
Two other people mentioned the incorrect page in the paper. One said someone must have pushed the wrong button. Welcome to the digital age where you can "push a button" and publish a whole wrong page without anyone there noticing.

Years ago, one of the papers I worked at published a story with all the text upside down, because someone "pushed a button". :rofl: Printing a whole other page is a pretty huge failure. Even our pressmen used to proofread and would occasionally catch things.

The industry is definitely dying, not in the least because papers are understaffed, reporters and editors are overworked, underpaid, and very often produced in far-flung locales that know nothing about the local community. My job designing local papers was transferred to a regional design center in Massachusetts. Before that, we had taken on all the other papers from our state that the business owned. Everyone hated it. I took my severance and ran.
 
If they are going to get paid to put out a physical paper that "retired senior citizens" pay for, why don't they have to do it correctly? Why is it o.k. to make mistakes every. single. day.?

Newspapers have always had issues with errors; it's part of being in a business where you have produce a new and complex product every 24 hours.

And when I say always, I mean, always. Perhaps you haven't read a lot of old newspapers, but I have, and there are errors galore. I think there are fewer errors now than there were in the past, if anything, because spellcheckers do catch a lot of them. I guess people didn't used to take pride in their work.

It's not like they have to "stop the presses" to print breaking news.

Sometimes they do. They also produce different editions of the newspaper--the one you get is often different than the one I get, for example--and not just the Neighborhood pages. But it's very expensive to stop the presses and do a completely new run, not to mention that it's hard to get the newspaper out on time when that happens, and those senior citizens are on the phone if their papers are one minute late.

Most people who make mistakes every. single. day. would not keep their jobs very long.

Most of us DO make mistakes every single day; it's the relative importance of the mistakes that determine whether we keep our jobs or not. The sort of mistakes that get reporters fired are mistakes in reporting, not spelling, which seems to me to be the way it should be, since their job is to report the news.

In my small little world, I always wonder what has happened to taking pride in your work (whether you write newspaper headlines, make pizzas or build houses), being conscientious, getting what you pay for, writing/typing correct grammar and spelling.............. Maybe the DDN should hire mistake finders. Oh, wait, I think those are called editors?

No, they are called copyeditors or proofreaders, who have a very different role than editors do. I've held both jobs in different fields and I must confess that when I was working toward a close deadline and had multiple people handing me pages on many different subjects that had to be read and cleared (or not) immediately, I sometimes missed things. I even missed things sometimes when we weren't on a tight deadline. I even miss things in my own posts on this board. I don't think I've ever known anyone who hasn't. If you think you could do it perfectly every time, you should go for the job--they'd love to have you.
 
Newspapers have always had issues with errors; it's part of being in a business where you have produce a new and complex product every 24 hours.

And when I say always, I mean, always. Perhaps you haven't read a lot of old newspapers, but I have, and there are errors galore. I think there are fewer errors now than there were in the past, if anything, because spellcheckers do catch a lot of them. I guess people didn't used to take pride in their work.



Sometimes they do. They also produce different editions of the newspaper--the one you get is often different than the one I get, for example--and not just the Neighborhood pages. But it's very expensive to stop the presses and do a completely new run, not to mention that it's hard to get the newspaper out on time when that happens, and those senior citizens are on the phone if their papers are one minute late.



Most of us DO make mistakes every single day; it's the relative importance of the mistakes that determine whether we keep our jobs or not. The sort of mistakes that get reporters fired are mistakes in reporting, not spelling, which seems to me to be the way it should be, since their job is to report the news.



No, they are called copyeditors or proofreaders, who have a very different role than editors do. I've held both jobs in different fields and I must confess that when I was working toward a close deadline and had multiple people handing me pages on many different subjects that had to be read and cleared (or not) immediately, I sometimes missed things. I even missed things sometimes when we weren't on a tight deadline. I even miss things in my own posts on this board. I don't think I've ever known anyone who hasn't. If you think you could do it perfectly every time, you should go for the job--they'd love to have you.

Different editions - yeah. I remember one time my paper said that somebody's death (Dale Jr.?) cast a "paul" over the race. Paul McCartney, Pope John Paul, I don't know.......... :) Boyfriend's paper in the city next door correctly had "pall". Weird.

Copy editor, fine, whatever, somebody is paid to catch things.

('Scuse us everyone else!!............)Just curious, when you worked at the DDN, was that downtown or on S. Main. Only asking because it is neat to have someone nearby who is familiar with the same things. My last 3 years at NCR were in the building where the DDN is now. Hated that building. And back in the 90's I actually offered to go to the DDN downtown to pick up application letters for a secretarial job (that I turned down) we ran an ad for in the paper. Going to a real newspaper office felt like it should be like on t.v. ha ha I wanted people to be running around waving paper and shouting about a big story or something. Rats.

I would LOVE to be a copy editor, proofreader, whatever. Too late now. I've actually looked. You have to have a degree in English and experience. I don't think being the editor of the company monthly newsletter (same place we hired a new secretary later) counts. Although, now that I think about it, even though it was only like 8 pages, I did EVERYTHING but set the copy. We had a graphic artist who did that. I assigned and collected articles, wrote articles, proofread everything, ordered working lunches, sent out memos - all while doing letters, memos, reports, photo mounting, binding, filing and answering phones for a bunch of engineers. We had a small "staff" who proofread, but I was the final edit. And every single word was spelled correctly and every single sentence made sense. (I still have all of them!)

At NCR, in one department, we did one newsletter. Of course, I was the editor - mostly because there wasn't enough interest. I typed and set the whole thing in Word. I used to take it home every night and proofread each new thing I put in. It was February and I had a little box with a clip art heart and Happy Valentine's Day on the front page. The day I was finally done, I gave it to the secretary in the cube next to me to look at. The first thing she said was that I left the apostrophe out of "Valentine's". Geez!!!! :)

Done reminiscing..............

Anyway, maybe the DDN should hire the whiny retired senior citizens, especially former secretaries, to be COPY editors. They'd be cheap because they could only make so much to supplement their social security. And they have the education and experience to do the job correctly.
 
Different editions - yeah. I remember one time my paper said that somebody's death (Dale Jr.?) cast a "paul" over the race. Paul McCartney, Pope John Paul, I don't know.......... :) Boyfriend's paper in the city next door correctly had "pall". Weird.

I think it was either Paul Wylie or Paul Poirier.
 
Copy editor, fine, whatever, somebody is paid to catch things.

Yes, like errors in terminology, which are not just mechanical errors but substantive errors.

when you worked at the DDN, was that downtown or on S. Main.

I have never worked for the DDN. I did work for NCR for a while back in the early 90s.

I would LOVE to be a copy editor, proofreader, whatever. Too late now. I've actually looked. You have to have a degree in English and experience.

The average English degree prepares a person for a copyediting job about as well as a math degree prepares a person to read electric meters, but it does, at least, guarantee that a job candidate has experience in writing that is not limited to blogging and YouTube and has a proven grasp of the differences between complete and incomplete sentences.

Anyway, maybe the DDN should hire the whiny retired senior citizens, especially former secretaries, to be COPY editors. They'd be cheap because they could only make so much to supplement their social security. And they have the education and experience to do the job correctly.

IME, most senior citizens and other older people tend to vastly overrate both their education and their ability. The older the student, the more likely it is that said student will need remedial English classes in college, for example; the middle aged rarely make it into college-level English classes. The kids right out of high school mostly breeze right in. This is true nationwide, not just locally. Yet I am told on a regular basis that those kids today are poorly educated, not like all of us geezers. It does no good at all to point out to people my own age that education in the late 70s and early 80s is considered the nadir of American public education. Nope, we are all convinced we're just so good.

And again IME, older people who are obsessed with correctness rarely grasp things like style differences. For example, those seniors who called me every day never did grasp that what they had been taught in school growing up was not what was required by the AP style manual, even though I would go over this pretty much every. single. day. They also could not understand that things they were taught in school were not always correct (yes, you CAN end a sentence with a preposition and yes, you CAN start a sentence with a conjunction). They would dutifully write down everything I cited that they agreed with and tell me to get an education about the things they didn't, in spite of the fact that I had more education in the subject than both of them combined.
 
I still can't figure out how to separate quotes, so my comments are italicized and indented!!!!

I have never worked for the DDN. I did work for NCR for a while back in the early 90s.

I thought you wrote that people called you every.single.day. about errors in the DDN? Where and when NCR though????????!!!!!!!!!!!! I was there from 1992-2001 - 4 different buildings, one of the buildings on three different floors.

And again IME, older people who are obsessed with correctness rarely grasp things like style differences. For example, those seniors who called me every day never did grasp that what they had been taught in school growing up was not what was required by the AP style manual,

I was thinking more along the lines of the mistakes that drive me crazy - spelling, punctuation, left out words like "the" or repeated words like "the the" (ha ha) - things that the average 8th grader would catch just by READING the article.

I know people write in a more casual way, more and more as the years go by. But some of the sentences written by columnists in the DDN just don't make sense. There's a "former CNN anchor" who writes a column about her personal life that gives me a headache because there is no continuity and the partial sentences don't make sense, have left out words, tense problems. It's like she started writing down the thoughts from her head in the middle of a conversation with somebody else. (Quite like my posts here, huh?) And she has apparently written a book?

yes, you CAN end a sentence with a preposition

Funny, for the last decade or so I've noticed "younger" people have been saying "do you want to come with". That's taking ending the sentence with a preposition to a whole new level. Cringe. [/QUOTE]

See? What a mess! Many apologies!!!!!!!
 
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Funny, for the last decade or so I've noticed "younger" people have been saying "do you want to come with". That's taking ending the sentence with a preposition to a whole new level. Cringe.


When I first started hearing that phrase, maybe 20 years ago, I attributed it to being part of a local dialect from other parts of the US than where I grew up, and I assumed it was influenced by immigrants from language cultures where the concept of coming with was expressed by a single verb, perhaps a prefix rather than a separate preposition.

Yup -- just did a search and found this: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/come_with

Not part of my own dialect, but no more "wrong" than phrases such as "standing on line" or "going down the shore" that I grew up with.

And on a related note, yesterday as I was walking uphill to my car, I thought to myself about how much "upwalking" I was doing and wondered whether there are any languages that have a single word for upwalking (and, presumably, downwalking). Languages from countries with hilly terrain?
 
I still can't figure out how to separate quotes, so my comments are italicized and indented!!!!
Fortunately, I can edit everyone's posts.

I thought you wrote that people called you every.single.day. about errors in the DDN?
They did, but I didn't work for the DDN. I worked for the Writer's Hotline, which was a nationwide 1-800 service that answered grammar, mechanics, formatting and other writing questions. It was run by one of the local universities and was staffed by graduate English students and people who had professional editing experience.

Where and when NCR though????????!!!!!!!!!!!! I was there from 1992-2001 - 4 different buildings, one of the buildings on three different floors.
I worked on the main campus, but I don't remember exactly where at this point. I started out working directly for the president and then switched to multimedia production, but I went freelance not too long after that and all those companies kind of blur together. There was a lot of turmoil at NCR when I was there, I do remember that. I couldn't get out of there fast enough.

I was thinking more along the lines of the mistakes that drive me crazy - spelling, punctuation, left out words like "the" or repeated words like "the the" (ha ha) - things that the average 8th grader would catch just by READING the article.
That's the kind of thing I am talking about. The AP style manual has standards for spelling, punctuation and formatting, among other things. One famous example is that the AP eliminates the use of the serial comma, which was one of the errors that the seniors would always bring up in their calls. The New York Times, which has its own style manual, is famous for constructions like "1980's." It drives most grammarians up the wall to see that apostrophe in there. But a lot of people are convinced that that is "correct." And it is--if you write for the New York Times.

I know people write in a more casual way, more and more as the years go by. But some of the sentences written by columnists in the DDN just don't make sense. There's a "former CNN anchor" who writes a column about her personal life that gives me a headache because there is no continuity and the partial sentences don't make sense, have left out words, tense problems. It's like she started writing down the thoughts from her head in the middle of a conversation with somebody else. (Quite like my posts here, huh?) And she has apparently written a book?

The DDN is not responsible for editing the content of the guest editors and serialized columnists.
 
Fortunately, I can edit everyone's posts.


They did, but I didn't work for the DDN. I worked for the Writer's Hotline, which was a nationwide 1-800 service that answered grammar, mechanics, formatting and other writing questions. It was run by one of the local universities and was staffed by graduate English students and people who had professional editing experience.


I worked on the main campus, but I don't remember exactly where at this point. I started out working directly for the president and then switched to multimedia production, but I went freelance not too long after that and all those companies kind of blur together. There was a lot of turmoil at NCR when I was there, I do remember that. I couldn't get out of there fast enough.


That's the kind of thing I am talking about. The AP style manual has standards for spelling, punctuation and formatting, among other things. One famous example is that the AP eliminates the use of the serial comma, which was one of the errors that the seniors would always bring up in their calls. The New York Times, which has its own style manual, is famous for constructions like "1980's." It drives most grammarians up the wall to see that apostrophe in there. But a lot of people are convinced that that is "correct." And it is--if you write for the New York Times.



The DDN is not responsible for editing the content of the guest editors and serialized columnists.
1. Thank you. I just don't see a way to do it.
2. How cool.
3. You don't remember? Let's see - before Jerre Stead and the AT&T debacle, would have been Gil Williamson and Elton White? You would have been on WHQ-5 - Executive Offices - if you worked for a President. It was so quiet and scary up there! I was in the Treasurer's Division (WHQ-3) when AT&T disbanded it in January 1994 and we all had to get new jobs - or go to AT&T in Denver or New Jersey. My boss took me with her to the US Group and I had to supervise the word processing department too. Multimedia Production - would that have been in Sugar Camp? They had little lights on the ceiling when you went in the doors there. So neat. And a giant picture of all the old manufacturing buildings and the auditorium and everything). Sorry, everybody - except for a couple of the 6 reorgs in 9 years, that was the best time of my life. I expected to die of old age at my desk - still smiling. I can still tell you what department, building/floor and which one of my nine bosses was which for any given year.
4. a. Even after 7 years of Catholic school and a degree in Executive Secretarial Studies, I still have trouble with punctuation and quotation marks. And there are things now that are either/or, like "1980s" with or without. b. One of the temps we had during a reorg dubbed me a "grammartician" and a "spellaholic".
5. Well, if they are professional writers they should know how to write or have a secretary edit their work.
 
1. Thank you. I just don't see a way to do it.

You have to edit the quoted posts to add the codes, putting the QUOTE=whoever at the beginning of each section you want to quote and a /QUOTE at the end of each section, with brackets enclosing the codes. It takes some practice.

2. How cool.

It was mostly boring, as hours would pass without a call. And when someone did call, we were not allowed to just answer but had to cite an authority for the answer. There were 150 grammar guides and style manuals in the office, so when someone would call and ask a question, we would have to decide which book was most relevant, look up the answer and read said answer verbatim to the caller. Then we would have to log the call in detail.

And then there were the prank calls. :p. I was a graduate teaching assistant at the time and my fellow TAs used to call and ask annoying questions.

3. You don't remember? Let's see - before Jerre Stead and the AT&T debacle

Jerre Stead! I couldn't think of his last name. I came in just after he started and got out before he left. :scream:

And yes, I was at Sugar Camp. Too bad it's gone--and the NCR pool :wuzrobbed And NCR.

5. Well, if they are professional writers they should know how to write or have a secretary edit their work.

Their home newspapers should be taking care of that for them. The DDN just reprints the columns.
 
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Jerre Stead! I couldn't think of his last name. I came in just after he started and got out before he left. :scream:

And yes, I was at Sugar Camp. Too bad it's gone--and the NCR pool :wuzrobbed And NCR.

Oh My! The only good thing he did was get rid of the strict dress code.

I worked at Sugar Camp during my second reorg. We had a team from different departments to send out offer and RIF letters and answer questions. Oh, remember the auditorium, with steps up to the stage and the curtain and everything? Geez. :wuzrobbed is right. I had to go to an ophthalmologist a couple months ago at Sugar Camp, and I looked out the window and down and saw where we used to sit out on the patio at lunch. sniff sniff

When I was on SDC-2 (where the DDN is now), we watched them fill in the pool.

There are still articles in the paper every once in awhile about NCR's move to Georgia. It's still a bad, bad thing!!!!
 
Oh My! The only good thing he did was get rid of the strict dress code.

Yes. The program I first worked on was supposed to change the corporate culture to something more informal and less hierarchical. Do you remember Ask Jerre? I worked on that for a while. I remember everyone bitching about having to buy whole new wardrobes of business casual clothes. :lol: Well, and pretty much everything else. Like I said, there was a lot of turmoil. I hate working in places where everyone is angry.

Ol' Jerre seems to have gone on to bigger and better things: http://www.denverpost.com/2014/01/0...ead-denver-posts-business-person-of-the-year/
 
Yes. The program I first worked on was supposed to change the corporate culture to something more informal and less hierarchical. Do you remember Ask Jerre? I worked on that for a while. I remember everyone bitching about having to buy whole new wardrobes of business casual clothes. :lol: Well, and pretty much everything else. Like I said, there was a lot of turmoil. I hate working in places where everyone is angry.

Ol' Jerre seems to have gone on to bigger and better things: http://www.denverpost.com/2014/01/0...ead-denver-posts-business-person-of-the-year/

As long as we have totally hijacked this thread :)...............

Coaches and associates? Geez. Our Common Bond training? Discrimination is Bad. Duh. Major waste of time. I loved all the other classes we got to go to though.

NCR was the first place I ever worked where you were only allowed to wear dress pants and a sweater on casual? Fridays. I had to buy suits, and jackets for the skirts I already had. Then they went to business casual a year later! I kind of felt sorry for the people who had been wearing suits and ties there for 20-30 years. Did you put out the survey asking people what they thought was inappropriate? I think jeans got like a 38% no vote or something. I still only wore jeans on Friday unless we had some kind of off site fun thing or when we were moving. Except when I went back to work the January after I broke my leg - jeans and comfy shoes all winter.

I was so lucky. Until the end there, I was always in supportive, caring, fun departments. I never applied for another job the whole time I was there -- I just got carried along with my boss -- and then got more new people to support or a new boss 6 months later or something. I let them worry about whether we were safe or not. I just kept doing my job and getting more responsibility and being the best daggone Business Support Specialist in the place! I remember the turmoil and the uncertainty, but I also remember a great salary and benefits and big raises and bonuses, and going to Reds games and picnics at Old River and other "team building" offsite activities.

Like I said, I was lucky. Another secretary who had been there for 27 years when I got RIF'd quit a year later, without a severance package, so close to retirement, because her department and boss were not great and the stealth RIFs ("tomorrow is your last day") were making her sick. And they weren't posting any jobs for her to transfer to. There was a job in the tax dept. that had been there for a year before I got RIFd. Nobody wanted it!! Apparently, my month of layoffs got the last full severance package, and I didn't even have to get another job for 6 months. I was working at National City when I went to my friend's retirement lunch with all the Leadership Team secretaries. I wanted to go back to NCR with them! Oh well.
 
Bumping up this thread because it's really getting on my nerves to see some very common spelling and grammatical errors, some in printed material (unforgivable) and some elsewhere.

Why is it so difficult for native English speakers to differentiate between (for example)

There and Their
Lose and Loose
Where and were
Definitely (correct) and Definately (wrong)
Its and It's
Few and a few

And the most annoying ' when writing plurals of common words, e,g, ticket's instead of (correct) tickets.

Sometimes the blame belongs to autocorrect (I give up at times and don't even bother to correct it the second time).
 
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@Vash01, all I can say is that when it comes to publishers and editors that sometimes they are pressed for time. I know that before my book was published, there were no typos, grammar errors or misspelling of words. I was even sent an e-book of my poetry from my editor and there were no typos or errors in any of my poems or short stories.

When the books went into final print, I received 50 copies of the book per my contract. I found at least 3 misspelled words in two of my poems and a short story I had written for my oldest niece. The word "branches" had been misspelled in my short story. They actually left off the "b" in the word therefore making the word "ranches". The word "necessary" was also misspelled where the editor added an extra "c".

Of course, it was too late for the publishing company to do anything about it because they had already printed over 300 copies.

I believe a lot of the common mistakes occur because editors are pressed for time especially when it comes to magazines and newspapers.
 
Grammatical errors occur because in some cases, the writer, publisher, editor or even a poster in a forum speak a few different languages or because English is not their first or most comfortable language to use or translate and vice-versa. I speak from experience. If anyone can botch-up... *Cough, cough* uh, first in line, here. :sheep:
 
Grammatical errors occur because in some cases, the writer, publisher, editor or even a poster in a forum speak a few different languages or because English is not their first or most comfortable language to use or translate and vice-versa. I speak from experience. If anyone can botch-up... *Cough, cough* uh, first in line, here. :sheep:

I can understand that not being English speakers can confuse many. My problem is with native English speakers not being able to differentiate between similar sounding words.
 

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