Duhamel/Radford Return to Adele LP

Thanks for the information!

I don't think this will actually help them, as their problem with artistry isn't the vehicle but rather just that they are a lot better at the athletic aspects of skating, but Megan and Eric are certainly smart and eager to improve, so if they think it's the right choice, they should go for it.

Personally I prefer the Muse program so I wish they'd stayed with that...
 
I personally think this program is much, much better than Muse. She in particular has really improved the quality to her skating and it shows much more with Hometown Glory. The choreography doesn't look rushed or sloppy and it gives them time to hold positions. IMO Eric always seemed like he believed much more in this program so I think it's a good choice.
 
I'm with Tony, I think hometown Glory is MUCH better suited for their skating--I've seen both programs live (Muse at CDN 15 and then again at SC 17; Glory at Boston Worlds) and there is just such a difference in their skating to the Adele piece. So I for one am very happy they made the switch.

Best of luck to them as they finish out their careers, whatever the results may be.
 
Gosh, it sure seems like this season is "everything old is new again". So many people going back to old programs! And here switching one old program for another old one or some switching a new one for another new one - everyone scrambling to find that perfect vehicle for the Olympics I guess.
 
love skating said:
Gosh, it sure seems like this season is "everything old is new again". So many people going back to old programs! And here switching one old program for another old one or some switching a new one for another new one - everyone scrambling to find that perfect vehicle for the Olympics I guess.
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Yeah, I don't think I remember a season when so many skaters went back to old programs, hehe.
 
They scored high with it, it's no wonder they went back. They have two competitions to see if it works out.
 
I loved their Muse program. Their modified ending at Skate Canada was such a highlight. Nonetheless, I look forward to seeing this revamped Adele.
 
Meagan and Eric really want to fight for that medal. The Gold and Silver should be gone The only chance for the Bronze is to be crystal clean with both Lutz and the Quad. The program change will not push them.


All these program switches this season.

I am waiting for Sui/Han to ditch their Turandot and go back to last years layout and Tarasova/Morozov their Candyman.
 
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Quadjump said:
Meagan and Eric really want to fight for that medal. The Gold and Silver should be gone The only chance for the Bronze is to be crystal clean with both Lutz and the Quad. The program change will not pish them.
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Fighting for bronze maybe but remember if they are clean, they will absolutely be competitive with the two other top teams. They’ve beaten Savchenko/Massot already this year and while the Germans and Sui/Han may have gained momentum in the GPF, I don’t think Meagan and Eric are out of the running.

Savchenko will be the first to tell you that the Olympic Games are a whole new ballgame.
 
@Tony Wheeler Yes, they are in the running for the bronze, but realistically S/M and S/H would have to have mistakes for D/R to have a shot at gold or silver. They are only 5th in average score this season - a full 12.23 points behind S/M and almost 20 points behind S/H. Heck, D/R's highest score this year is still lower than S/M's average. That's not a small deficit. For third place, they're virtually tied with James/Cipres and only 4 points back from T/M - which, being less than one element, I see as a much more manageable gap.

(For this season's GPs) D/R's highest total BV this year was 99.00 (SP+FS, different GPs' SP/FS combined for highest possible total) as opposed to S/H's 95.80, S/M's 96.6, T/M's 95.2, and J/C's 92.9. So they win that over the field.
So they have the highest BV by a good 3-4 points over the top two teams. But when you add in GOE, their highest total was 114.96, still lower than S/H's 121.84, S/M's 122.76, and T/M's 116.03. J/C have a lower total TES at 109.5. So they're definitely competitive with T/M and J/C on that front.
Another deficit comes in PCS. Using those same rules, D/R's highest total of PCS was 109.1. S/H's is 114.25, S/M is 113.92, T/M is 111.92, and J/C is 105.34. So, again, they're a good 4 points behind the top two teams but relatively competitive with teams 3 & 4.

If you add all that nitpicking of score sheets up together, the highest cherry-picked total scores of all those top five teams is: 1. S/M - 236.68, 2. S/H - 236.09, 3. T/M - 227.95, 4. D/R - 224.06, 5. J/C - 214.84. So if everyone skates their best, D/R is still a good 12 points out of first and second, and nearly 4 points out of third, meaning they'd need the top two teams to make 12+ points worth of mistakes and the third team to make 4+ points of mistakes to get a gold or (and all three failing that hard is unlikely), if only one or two of three messes up that badly, to get a medal at all. Certainly, it is possible, and the most possible is for them to get 3rd.
 
So happy that D&R have returned to a program that made sense for 2 small town Ontario kids. A program that makes me believe, anything is possible no matter where you come from or your circumstances, and with so much personality, passion and joy, that is so representative of their skating.

I could not be happier for them/us...well done D&R!
 
It's a good choice. I guess they have been wondering if they outgrew the Muse program, which was from 3 years ago.
 
chantilly said:
^insert eye roll here.
Your incessant hatred of this team is increasingly amusing.
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You're welcome. And I don't hate them. I don't even know them. I don't like their "style" at all for reasons I've clearly and specifically stated, and that's MY opinion, just like how it's your opinion that it's amusing.
 
This is the most boring season. What is with these skaters? All afraid of Olympics?
 
Great news!! Finally a change of programs that is an improvement. That Muse program never made any sense to me, can't wait for Adele now!!!

I don't agree they only challenge for bronze. OG are different than anything else, we've seen time and time again anything can happen. And they've been written off before, and then won worlds. Slay D/R! (I have always loved Eric, Meagan not so much, but lately I've grown into fandom for the team. Funny how those things just happens)
 
Willin said:
@Tony Wheeler Yes, they are in the running for the bronze, but realistically S/M and S/H would have to have mistakes for D/R to have a shot at gold or silver. They are only 5th in average score this season - a full 12.23 points behind S/M and almost 20 points behind S/H. Heck, D/R's highest score this year is still lower than S/M's average. That's not a small deficit. For third place, they're virtually tied with James/Cipres and only 4 points back from T/M - which, being less than one element, I see as a much more manageable gap.

(For this season's GPs) D/R's highest total BV this year was 99.00 (SP+FS, different GPs' SP/FS combined for highest possible total) as opposed to S/H's 95.80, S/M's 96.6, T/M's 95.2, and J/C's 92.9. So they win that over the field.
So they have the highest BV by a good 3-4 points over the top two teams. But when you add in GOE, their highest total was 114.96, still lower than S/H's 121.84, S/M's 122.76, and T/M's 116.03. J/C have a lower total TES at 109.5. So they're definitely competitive with T/M and J/C on that front.
Another deficit comes in PCS. Using those same rules, D/R's highest total of PCS was 109.1. S/H's is 114.25, S/M is 113.92, T/M is 111.92, and J/C is 105.34. So, again, they're a good 4 points behind the top two teams but relatively competitive with teams 3 & 4.

If you add all that nitpicking of score sheets up together, the highest cherry-picked total scores of all those top five teams is: 1. S/M - 236.68, 2. S/H - 236.09, 3. T/M - 227.95, 4. D/R - 224.06, 5. J/C - 214.84. So if everyone skates their best, D/R is still a good 12 points out of first and second, and nearly 4 points out of third, meaning they'd need the top two teams to make 12+ points worth of mistakes and the third team to make 4+ points of mistakes to get a gold or (and all three failing that hard is unlikely), if only one or two of three messes up that badly, to get a medal at all. Certainly, it is possible, and the most possible is for them to get 3rd.
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I made similar calculations some month ago. But I stopped it because the GOE is way more important then the BV. S/M set new TES record without a quad or more difficult SBS jumps (ok. they maximized everthing now). Their BV at cup Russia 2016 was insane (2x3ATh and 4STh). It did not pay off a tone.
 
This is only good news to me. I don't think Muse was working for them - it looked too frantic in places, and sadly the screeching vocals had me wanting to kick my television set in.

I'll look forward to seeing how they do with Adele which was one of my favourite programmes for them.

The only issue is that it looks desperate to go back to an old programme and then change to a different old programme at this point. It suggests they're out of options.

In terms of mental fortitude Sui/Han are the only ones with two new programmes who aren't pulling out an old one for comfort so I know where i'd place my bet if I were a betting man.
 
@Quadjump As you noticed, I did add in GOE to make that point - while D/R has a really impressive BV, that's all they're really competitive for at the top. They're very behind the top 2 once GOE is added in, and further behind once you account for PCS. They're also behind the 3rd place team. That's why they need that BV - they won't get a medal on quality or artistry - they'll get it by skating clean with those above them messing up.
 
Willin said:
@Tony Wheeler Yes, they are in the running for the bronze, but realistically S/M and S/H would have to have mistakes for D/R to have a shot at gold or silver. They are only 5th in average score this season - a full 12.23 points behind S/M and almost 20 points behind S/H. Heck, D/R's highest score this year is still lower than S/M's average. That's not a small deficit. For third place, they're virtually tied with James/Cipres and only 4 points back from T/M - which, being less than one element, I see as a much more manageable gap....
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Good analysis but you can toss it all out the window. The top 4 teams (maybe 5 if S/K can get their twist back and the judges give them PCS for days as they sometimes do) can score in the 80 range in the short and 155 in the long.

It all depends on who does it on the day. All the teams have elements that aren't all that reliable so a bunch of things can happen.

Incidentally, I would say the analysis going into 2016 world's would look similar, I would have to think. And what happened.....?

I think Adele has greater PCS potential for D/R, so it's not a bad move.
 
This Adele program at least in practice looked so smooth, really suits Eric in particular. Muse was frantic and rushed. Good move by them.
 
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