Olympic judges draw held at Nebelhorn

[Firedancer]

After the competition at Nebelhorn, the draw for Olympic judges was held:
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2017/10/02/257160062

 

[VGThuy]

Nice. Now we need to know who is on the technical panel.

 

[kittyjake5]

Looks good to me. Agree @VIETgrlTerifa. I am very curious about the all important tech panel.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

After the competition at Nebelhorn, the draw for Olympic judges was held:
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2017/10/02/257160062

A little bit disappointed Australia did not get a mention in the countries that fared well segment of the article. We earned two medals, and with that, two spots at the Olympics.

 

[her grace]

After the competition at Nebelhorn, the draw for Olympic judges was held

Oh good. Now the judges can start trading votes and fixing the results.

 

[VGThuy]

Oh good. Now the judges can start trading votes and fixing the results.

Venmo and/or PayPal will be busy. No more bounced checks.

 

[casken]

The US getting a judge on the dance panel after last season...

 

[suki]

The US getting a judge on the dance panel after last season...

Why do you say that, Casken?

 

[VGThuy]

Why do you say that, Casken?

See Sharon Rogers' scores, et al.

 

[suki]

See Sharon Rogers' scores, et al.

Ah, the lightbulb is coming on. Thanks, VIETgrlTerifa. After a while the results tend to blur. I do remember some of the controversy with this judge, but is it justified? I mean the techncial panels are under scrutiny, and some specialists are "known" to be "tougher" than other (e.g., Shin Amano in singles).

 

[thvu]

I think it’s more her giving V&M 8.75 for Skating Skills in the Free Dance at worlds. Even with the mistake from Scott, it was ridiculous, and clearly agenda driven to place V&M behind the Shibs in PCS.

 

[thvu]

See Sharon Rogers' scores, et al.

To add to this, here’s a list I made of of the judges’ PCS rankings at worlds last year for the SD and FD. It’s sortable if you download it.

SD
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EAamtnQTqntv3F2ALRjLkr__3U_0KEXokXXIL4VCZss

FD
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gUlrPK7VzEOOneX8Rwqo3A3vlH94lzpF6cqUBqxC5ig

 

[snoopy]

Venmo and/or PayPal will be busy. No more bounced checks.

Bitcoin, baby.

 

[VGThuy]

To add to this, here’s a list I made of of the judges’ PCS rankings at worlds last year for the SD and FD. It’s sortable if you download it.

SD
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EAamtnQTqntv3F2ALRjLkr__3U_0KEXokXXIL4VCZss

FD
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gUlrPK7VzEOOneX8Rwqo3A3vlH94lzpF6cqUBqxC5ig

I had forgotten that the Spanish judge tied the Shibs and V/M in PCS in the FD. The judges PCS rankings from 3-11 reminds me of what happened at 2014 Worlds when Ilinykh/Katsalapov took themselves out of the running in the SD and all hell broke loose and the results seemed to be determined less by the judges as a consensus but more like the judges just putting numbers out there and the results looking random where one change could have changed the entire order. I can see that looking like a good thing since competitions should be played up fairly and just allowing the numbers to do what it may, but it could also look like the judges don't know what they're doing without being told how to rank.

 

[chapis]

I think it’s more her giving V&M 8.75 for Skating Skills in the Free Dance at worlds. Even with the mistake from Scott, it was ridiculous, and clearly agenda driven to place V&M behind the Shibs in PCS.

It was more logic and beneficial for the Shibs to lower the PCS of P/C than V/M but she put to P/C at first place in both segments, not to Shibs. Maybe she has her favorite team.

 

[thvu]

It was more logic and beneficial for the Shibs to lower the PCS of P/C than V/M but she put to P/C at first place in both segments, not to Shibs. Maybe she has her favorite team.

I never claimed Sharon Rogers acted logically.

 

[barbarafan]

Ah, the lightbulb is coming on. Thanks, VIETgrlTerifa. After a while the results tend to blur. I do remember some of the controversy with this judge, but is it justified? I mean the techncial panels are under scrutiny, and some specialists are "known" to be "tougher" than other (e.g., Shin Amano in singles).

But she seems to only do it for certain dancers....like virtue & Moir

 

[Debbie S]

Looking at the PCS rankings for the SD, when the top 10 teams all skated clean, the CAN judge's placements, compared to overall placements, look more suspect than the USA judge.

In the FD, so many teams made (uncharacteristic) mistakes, it was probably harder than usual to judge. I'm not saying there were no politiks going on (this is ice dance, after all) but I could understand different judges having different opinions on how much this or that error should affect PCS scores.

 

[barbarafan]

Looking at the PCS rankings for the SD, when the top 10 teams all skated clean, the CAN judge's placements, compared to overall placements, look more suspect than the USA judge.

In the FD, so many teams made (uncharacteristic) mistakes, it was probably harder than usual to judge. I'm not saying there were no politiks going on (this is ice dance, after all) but I could understand different judges having different opinions on how much this or that error should affect PCS scores.

She has always hated virtue&moir going back to D/W days and she has been getting away with it for years....She needs to be moved to opening and closing the doors for skaters

 

[suki]

But she seems to only do it for certain dancers....like virtue & Moir

Looking at Luvudragon's analysis, it appears the Russian judge was pushing hard for B/S, so Ms. Rogers had company in the nationalistic judging game.

 

[barbarafan]

Looking at Luvudragon's analysis, it appears the Russian judge was pushing hard for B/S, so Ms. Rogers had company in the nationalistic judging game.

I was not talking about nationalistic judging - B/s were overmarked for sure- I was talking about personal bias..I don't believe she is that bad for other canadians

 

[thvu]

Looking at the PCS rankings for the SD, when the top 10 teams all skated clean, the CAN judge's placements, compared to overall placements, look more suspect than the USA judge.

Looking at Luvudragon's analysis, it appears the Russian judge was pushing hard for B/S, so Ms. Rogers had company in the nationalistic judging game.

I'm really torn over what's worse, placing Chock & Bates above Virtue & Moir's Prince SD (probably the greatest SD since the invention of the SD IMO), or placing Bobrova & Soloviev above Papadakis & Cizeron (and them 4th!). Both border on the disgusting.

 

[Lanie]

V&M being 3rd in PCS is beyond bizarre. WTF?

 

[chapis]

I'm really torn over what's worse, placing Chock & Bates above Virtue & Moir's Prince SD (probably the greatest SD since the invention of the SD IMO), or placing Bobrova & Soloviev above Papadakis & Cizeron (and them 4th!). Both border on the disgusting.

But the canadian judge took his revenge. He put to C/B in the 9th place at both segments.

 

[thvu]

I don't really disagree with 9th for Chock and Bates .

 

[Debbie S]

But the canadian judge took his revenge. He put to C/B in the 9th place at both segments.

And the Shibs in 6th and H/D in 7th. While placing W/P 3rd and G/P 4th.

 

[Dobre]

The Russian, U.S., and Canadian judge all showed National bias.

Per an analysis on GS--whose criteria I can't remember--the Canadian judge put Chock & Bates 5th at Skate Canada behind Stepanova & Bukin. In a portion of the event C&B won.

It's all eye-rolling. Perhaps if judges see this behavior from another judge, they think it validates the same behavior in order to "balance the scales."

I preferred anonymous judging.

 

[chapis]

The Russian, U.S., and Canadian judge all showed National bias.

Per an analysis on GS--whose criteria I can't remember--the Canadian judge put Chock & Bates 5th at Skate Canada behind Stepanova & Bukin. In a portion of the event C&B won.

It's all eye-rolling. Perhaps if judges see this behavior from another judge, they think it validates the same behavior in order to "balance the scales."

I preferred anonymous judging.

Same France, but it is less evident because they only have to P/C, seeing those charts, it only shows that it is necessary that every team have a judge from their own country or to have only judges from countries without top teams.

 

[Dobre]

Same France, but it is less evident because they only have to P/C, seeing those charts, it only shows that it is necessary that every team have a judge from their own country or to have only judges from countries without top teams.

No, it shows that it is necessary to have the high & low score thrown out. As they are.

 

[chapis]

No, it shows that it is necessary to have the high & low score thrown out. As they are.

They did that years ago, did not they? When and why did they remove it?