Meoima
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Massimiliano Ambesi (the ITA Eurosport commentator) just had a podcast along with Angelo Dolfini for figure skating (and other winter sports). As someone who's been in and around figure skating, his thoughts are I think worth a read. There is already a translation of what they said.
It was pre-Nebelhorn, so the first part of it is slightly out of date the talk in Part 2 is very interesting. I like the remark about potential issues that may arise from essentially one school being so dominant in Russia.
I also recommend the Part 4 and the talk about the issues with the proposed new changes in the scoring. Please enjoy!
Full translation: https://the-a-factor-fs.tumblr.com/post/165975610600/kiss-cry-episode-1
Some interesting highlights:
And this part
It was pre-Nebelhorn, so the first part of it is slightly out of date the talk in Part 2 is very interesting. I like the remark about potential issues that may arise from essentially one school being so dominant in Russia.
I also recommend the Part 4 and the talk about the issues with the proposed new changes in the scoring. Please enjoy!
Full translation: https://the-a-factor-fs.tumblr.com/post/165975610600/kiss-cry-episode-1
Some interesting highlights:
There’s another problem though, one that nobody has talked about yet: looking into the future, the stronger girls all come from the same club: Medvedeva, from Tutberidze’s school, Zagitova, who reached almost 220 points in her senior debut, while no one had reached more than 200 in their first competition – Lombardia was inflated and all of that, but 220 points is huge. This girl does two Lutz, obviously talking about triples here, and two Flips in the second half of the program. When have we ever seen something like this? These are the most extreme programs in history, not counting those who had a Triple Axel. But then, even those who had one, didn’t have such extreme programs. Zagitova is, in theory, Tutberidze’s no.2, and the no.3 is Polina Tsurskaya, a possible perfect machine, if she didn’t have health problems. Regarding juniors, we have already talked about these girls who are dominating the grand prix: Trusova. We could call her the “total package”, because there’s everything there. Maybe she isn’t rewarded for it when it comes to PCS, but do you know why she isn’t? Because she is seen as small in the rink, kind of like a “Miyahara syndrome”, who was held back in PCS for years, until they realised that she was a great athlete, and then the judging towards her changed. Maybe it’s the same for Trusova, who is seen as small and tiny…and some say that she doesn’t “fill” the rink – and this is one of the most debatable things I have ever heard – and so she isn’t rewarded in PCS. This is an incredible skater. I invite you to look at Trusova’s programs without jumps, and see all the other things she does, spins and jumps aside. This is the next generation: Trusova, and Shcherbakova. Panenkova, who isn’t one of her best pupils, has won a JGP. Tarakanova, who is the newest in Tutberidze’s school, is amazing. And there are others, besides them.
There’s a risk here, when a single school dominates the entire field, it can’t be good for its balance. I think that, if there had been enough spots for Tutberidze’s girls, she could have had four girls in the Final, because there’s a girl who has only one Grand Prix assignment, in Poland – keep an eye on her – who would have reached the final had she gotten two events. All of this to explain the situation regarding one school. There’s incredible competition. Other schools are struggling more, CSKA included, and SPB is in decline, but that’s because some of these schools didn’t really understand how skating has evolved: it will suffice to look at Tuktamysheva, an incredible athlete… but with empty programs. It’s obvious that she cannot compete with Medvedeva, unless she can do two Triple Axels. If she can’t do that, it’s obvious that she can’t be competitive. So, as I was saying, a lot of domestic competition that might “ruin” some athletes. But to say that the system is twisted…seems wrong to me. It’s a system that offers some great quality, and obviously whoever has the most quality keeps going. If you miss an opportunity you can decline, if you are good you can make up for it throughout your career, why not? But this is part of the game, see swimming in the US, or even athletics.
And this part
I think this talk will go on, and it’s good that the ISU is trying to understand how to intervene. But to me, ISU should help others, help itself – to quote a cult sports movie, Jerry Maguire. A quote to say that ISU needs to ask for help from external people. To understand what kind of modification to do. To develop a software to understand the real progression of scores, how many athletes did go over the determined threshold. For example, in the modern era post-Vancouver, seven athletes in the men’s field went over 100 on TES in FS. It’s easy to tell their names, more or less they are all outstanding aces. Then let’s ask ourselves if, for those seven, it’s worth revolutionising everything. Maybe yes, maybe no, but let’s do an analysis.
In the ladies’ field, perfection on PCS is 80. Do you know how many athletes did go over 80 on TES? One. Evgenia Medvedeva in a competition that is midway between competition and show––the last World Team Trophy. I’ve no doubt she can reach 80 on TES in one of the next competitions too, but at the moment there’s only her. In the future, Zagitova, too, for sure, but right now it’s only Medvedeva.
For pairs, 8 times a pair went over 75 on TES. No one reached 80, which is again the highest PCS they can get. So there, the system works, why go and change it? Do you want to change it because this discipline is called “pattinaggio artistico” (t/n figure skating is literally “pattinaggio di figura”, but italian name for the sport is “pattinaggio artistico”, “artistic skating”) and, according to someone on top, there is little artistry right now? Then okay, let’s change the PCS coefficient factor but let’s leave the jump BV’s untouched. You can’t suppress technical development. It would mean going backwards.
Also because we can’t forget one important detail––that many seem to forget. After the half-scandal of Vancouver 2010 with Lysacek defeating Plushenko, also due to Plushenko’s own demerits because he needed to do little to win that gold medal, ISU decided to incentivize quad attempts. How? By increasing BV. So you increase it in 2010––correctly to incentivize technical development––and in 2018 you lower it because, according to you, technical development has put artistic growth in jeopardy? For me this is folly.