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I assume Charlotte Maxwell means she and Ryan Devereaux met the criteria at the Challenge Cup club comp. in Philly to be added to the ISP?
The Greens just competed junior at Challenge Cup in Ardmore this past weekend (and won easily). (I unfortunately couldn't be there for the jr dance, I'd have liked to have seen them).Next season, the Greens will be old enough to compete in the JGP. And then there's the Elders, who will also be age-eligible; they're still Novices this year but will no doubt move up to Junior for next season.
Plus the US doesn't really have to invest in ice dancers right now-- Americans are dominating the senior and junior ranks. So while I completely understand wanting more teams to get experience, I also understand that some people might see that US Ice Dance is solid for the next two Olympic cycles without having to develop teams who are in their mid to late teens.
Maybe this is not the reason why USFSA is doing it!I am disappointed in USFS's decision to "waste" JGP dance spots. I can see the argument that everyone in the ISP got at least one, but I don't see how keeping Gropman/Somerville and Gunter/Wein at home instead of letting them go to their provisional second assignments is a great choice.
I don't see the Russians saying, oh, we don't need to use all our ladies JGP spots because we dominate at both senior and junior. And it's way too soon to know which of the junior teams may rise to the top. Many of the most highly-touted young American teams are sibling pairs (Parsons/Parsons, and Green/Green and Elder/Elder who will age in next season), who historically have a very hard time reaching the top of dance. You'd think that developing some of the younger non-sibling dancers would be valuable.
I don't see the Russians saying, oh, we don't need to use all our ladies JGP spots because we dominate at both senior and junior. And it's way too soon to know which of the junior teams may rise to the top. Many of the most highly-touted young American teams are sibling pairs (Parsons/Parsons, and Green/Green and Elder/Elder who will age in next season), who historically have a very hard time reaching the top of dance. You'd think that developing some of the younger non-sibling dancers would be valuable.
All team have a lot of pressure from one season to another. C/P seems to be handling pressure quite well this year after being sent to compete against A/T in their own country and same thing last year with L/D in Russia. As for staying healthy at the right time of the season, all team has to make sure they are.... The way I saw some of younger US team compete, they don't look mature enough to be in the Junior field... They are technically good but still don't have that junior lookIt's unwise to ever count on a junior dance team to stay together, and it is unwise to expect an "unknown" dance team to place high in an international debut. (Especially when almost all JGP competitions are in Europe). Of course, these teams can compete next year. But another competition this season would set them up much better for the following season. We do have the Greens moving up next season, but we already have unfilled openings. Why not head into next season with two more-experienced teams instead of more young, inexperienced ones? Next season, Carreira & Ponomarenko will have a lot of pressure riding on them, as well as the need to stay healthy at the right time of the season. Why not maximize opportunities while we have them?
All team have a lot of pressure from one season to another. C/P seems to be handling pressure quite well this year after being sent to compete against A/T in their own country and same thing last year with L/D in Russia. As for staying healthy at the right time of the season, all team has to make sure they are.... The way I saw some of younger US team compete, they don't look mature enough to be in the Junior field... They are technically good but still don't have that junior look
The way I saw some of younger US team compete, they don't look mature enough to be in the Junior field... They are technically good but still don't have that junior look
So what is up with the Parsons? Do they have a second JGP event? I just looked at the standings and it shows them as being substitutes for upcoming competitions.
Team M/C have to fix that level 2 spin, like yesterday.
To play devil's advocate , is it unreasonable to have criteria that must be met for a singles skater or team to be assigned to a second JGP? Criteria that the coaches and skaters are informed about by USFS ahead of time?
Yes, they are trying something new; but they already have the new lifts. The opening spin position is ugly and the spin is hurting their scores. Time to let it go, I hope. (Nice exit now on the second lift though).
What if we plain flat don't have enough teams that meet USFS's criteria?
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What's the point of setting criteria if they discourage rather than promote participation and development? If I were a parent spending $$$ to fund my kid's skating and got discouraged by my federation in this way, I'd be more than happy and relieved to take my kid out of skating lessons and into coding camps thank you very much.
Having had poor days myself, I would understand if the reason is to save money. The other reasons proposed so far do not convince me.
Alina Efimova & Alexander Petrov were added recently to the ISP (after Challenge Cup last weekend? like Charlotte Maxwell & Ryan Devereaux were). The Beckers and Erdman/Shchepetov (ETA: who are still competing together this season) were included when the ISP list originally was published in late April, but their names were subsequently removed.This year, there just aren't that many ISU junior age-eligible teams. Efimova/Petrov is the only team in the Intl Selection Pool that didn't get a JGP, but they are a new team and likely just aren't ready at the JGP competition level. Beckers are not even in the Pool, I don't know if they split or what.
Cameron Colucci, who will turn 15 in June, is listed on IPS. He and Katherine Grosul have skated together since late 2011/early 2012 - they placed 10th in Junior at Nationals and 6th in Adv. Novice at the Bavarian Open (their international debut).
To play devil's advocate , is it unreasonable to have criteria that must be met for a singles skater or team to be assigned to a second JGP? Criteria that the coaches and skaters are informed about by USFS ahead of time?
I think, and i might be wrong... I found really sad that USFSA is sending a lot of Senior teams who probably are going to be done after this cycle to some Senior B competition. I would rather invest on younger teams, junior one instead of investing on people that are clearly going nowhere... nice people but, in the long run, they wn't be there...What if we plain flat don't have enough teams that meet USFS's criteria?
I don't know how exactly USFS chose these criteria. Oddly enough, the criteria they set are sufficient to fill up all the available spots in singles and pairs but not dance. Wow wouldn't it be nicer to have fewer dance slots available?
ISU also sets "objective" minimum TES for ISU championships. If not enough skaters meet them, ie, if the cutoff criteria are too high too allow meaningful participation, ISU would lower them. As we Chinese say, points are dead, but people are alive.
What's the point of setting criteria if they discourage rather than promote participation and development? If I were a parent spending $$$ to fund my kid's skating and got discouraged by my federation in this way, I'd be more than happy and relieved to take my kid out of skating lessons and into coding camps thank you very much.
Having had poor days myself, I would understand if the reason is to save money. The other reasons proposed so far do not convince me.
Who are you talking about? All of the non-GP senior teams with internationals are quite young.I think, and i might be wrong... I found really sad that USFSA is sending a lot of Senior teams who probably are going to be done after this cycle to some Senior B competition. I would rather invest on younger teams, junior one instead of investing on people that are clearly going nowhere... nice people but, in the long run, they wn't be there...