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Because the other thread is pretty long. New season.
Sochi judging video with the +5/-5
https://youtu.be/wlVA2jBBsLw
Sochi judging video with the +5/-5
https://youtu.be/wlVA2jBBsLw
Yet she's still going, thanks to her superior jump technique that has taken her past puberty (all thanks to her coach, Evgeny Mishin, who teaches much cleaner,sounder technique).
For all the success of the Eteri camp in Figure Skating, what we see is that the girls (from that camp) never make it past puberty. So, the winner of the Ladies Gold at the next Games will probably not be from the Eteri Camp, unless there is a 12 year old in that camp right now who manages to peak at the just the right time before she outgrows her technique.
It was really interesting reviewing the Sochi ladies. Looking at Yulia Lipnitskaya again was very informative. She was the darling of those Games.
Yet, when I first saw her at the 2012 Junior Worlds (she won, Gracie Gold was second), it was painfully obvious that her technique would not get her through puberty. Lipnitskaya had Eteri technique...small, muscled (lots of upper body assistance), pre-rotated jumps (with rocket rotations) that barely got off the ice.
This technique only works with tiny pre-pubescent bodies. Yulia arrived at the Sochi Games right at the end of the usefulness of the technique she had been taught, because she was growing. We literally watched her hit the wall at the Sochi Games. She was never a factor after.
It's painfully obvious that Medvedeva and Zagitova are showing the same trajectory. Both have outgrown their Eteri technique. The Eteri Camp tends to dump skaters like Lipnitskaya, Medvedeva and Zagitova once they reach puberty and outgrow the technique taught in that camp.
All the current Eteri girls (Trusova, Kostornaia, Sherbakova etc) have been taught this same technique and I doubt that any of them will have much of a (skating) career past the age of 16 unless they re-learn their jump technique.
Contrast the Eteri girls with Elisaveta Tuktamusheva, the energizer bunny of Russian skating. At the grand age of 23 she's is still a factor. I remember when she was overshadowed by Lipnitskaya, Medvedeva and Zagitova. Yet she's still going, thanks to her superior jump technique that has taken her past puberty (all thanks to her coach, Evgeny Mishin, who teaches much cleaner,sounder technique).
For all the success of the Eteri camp in Figure Skating, what we see is that the girls (from that camp) never make it past puberty. So, the winner of the Ladies Gold at the next Games will probably not be from the Eteri Camp, unless there is a 12 year old in that camp right now who manages to peak at the just the right time before she
So far this season yes but she appears to be just hanging on, just squeaking out the rotations (much like Yulia did in Sochi or Medvedeva did in Pyeongchang). She seems to have less spring than she did a year ago. If she keeps growing her current technique will fail her.Hasn't Zagitova grown a fair bit even since the Olympics? So far, her jumps have stayed with her. Her technique is much better than Lip's ever was IMO.
So far this season yes but she appears to be just hanging on, just squeaking out the rotations (much like Yulia did in Sochi or Medvedeva did in Pyeongchang). She seems to have less spring than she did a year ago. If she keeps growing her current technique will fail her.
Med may thrive at TCC. Or she may end up like Tursy and Nam--to name just a few of Orser's nonsuccess stories.
Nam was junior wold champion, national champion, and fifth in the world under Orser...Med may thrive at TCC. Or she may end up like Tursy and Nam--to name just a few of Orser's nonsuccess stories.
Adam Rippon didn't do anything under Orser either IIRC.
Although Zagitova's recent high score - wow. Or is she being overscored? Sorry, can't remember which I watched but seems her LP was 150?
Wasn't Christina Gao also one of his? Adam Rippon didn't do anything under Orser either IIRC.
Ah, so Javier Fernandez was an absolutely problemless skater when he landed with Brian. Makes one wonder why he hadn’t been at the top of podiums prior to then.And Orser never fixed Adam's triple axel either. He didn't really get consistent with that jump until he went to Aruntunian. I think Orser is overrated as a coach. He's great at managing a sound skater but he has never fixed a problem child. Will be very interesting to see what happens with Jason Brown, even though Orser made sure to distance himself from him. I think a coach who was great at fixing technique like Tom Z or Raf would be excited to show what they can do with Jason.
Agree about Orser, as well is in regards to many top coaches.I think Orser is a great coach, but that doesn't mean he's the right coach for everyone. And it certainly doesn't mean that there's something wrong with a skater who doesn't succeed with him.
My only negative: Jonathan is looking more & more disheveled every week. Take a shower, comb the hair, iron the shirt or wear a simple sweater like Dave!
I'm blushingHasn't TSL been notified that there is a new more beautiful model coming out @Tony Wheeler and @mysticchic
Orser just ran into bad luck twice at the Olympics with the buzz saw one-two punch of Hamilton and Boitano.
I think you are for the most part right, but Orser was hit by the politics of compulsory figures and "wait your turn" politics, not the buzz we know today.