Why Does This Keep Happening: The Police Thread

AxelAnnie

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This guy posits that as well as racism being a cause, some cops are steroid users. They are only tested when they join the force, but not afterwards, in general.
Well there is another claim with to facts.

I would cops should have random drug testing every 60 days. Drugs in system....bye bye
 

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You can mandate police camps. Doesn't mean that they wont be turned off or disconnected or fail at critical times.

A young police officer I know, when I asked about an area that is close to low income households and crime rates, actually said to me - I dont care if the gangs kill each other. That comment scared me at the time and really scares me now. The low income not caucasian areas are overlooked because he doesnt care if crime is committed in those areas.
Given the gang violence, crime and danger and drugs etc in these areas what would you suggest to keep cops safe.
 

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It looks like the police dept. fired the officer who placed the choke hold on Elijah McClain:
According to documents released by the Aurora Police Department (APD) on Friday, the photos were texted to Officer Jason Rosenblatt, who responded with “HaHa.” Rosenblatt was one of the three officers who responded the night of McClain’s death. Wilson said he was fired for his "utter inability to do the right thing" when he was involved in the incident with McClain.
An article about the problems with administering ketamine to police detainees:
"Why anyone would be giving ketamine in that circumstance is beyond me," said neuroscientist Carl Hart, chair of Columbia University's psychology department. "The major problem here is we should never be ordering any medication, and no one should be taking or given it against their will."
The medic at the scene estimated that McClain weighed 220 pounds, Young's report said. But the coroner said he was 5 feet, 6 inches tall and weighed 140 pounds. According to documents shared by Aurora Fire Rescue, the standard dose of ketamine is 5 milligrams per each kilogram of a person's weight. That would mean that instead of 500 milligrams of ketamine, McClain should have received about 320 milligrams.
Statewide, 427 people were given ketamine for agitation from August 2017 to July 2018, and about 20 percent of patients had to be intubated at a hospital, The Denver Post reported.
One of the four Minneapolis officers charged in the death of Floyd had said, "I am worried about excited delirium or whatever," according to the charging document.

Ketamine has also been linked to other excited delirium cases. In 2018, the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reported that Minneapolis police officers asked medical responders to use ketamine on people — at times over the objection of those being drugged and, in some cases, when no crime appeared to have occurred — more than 60 times in 2017, up from three in 2012.
"It's a complete violation of an individual's rights," Udoibok said. "And it's the perfect crime. You can never prosecute it."

Carl Takei, a senior staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union who focuses on police practices, said ascribing a person's actions to excited delirium can create a shield for officers who use excessive force.
Police who want to abuse their authority certainly are proficient at learning all the code words and phrases they need to use.
 

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The family had an independent autopsy performed after the coroner's office said this:
“Since LASD placed a security hold on the case, the report and the cause of death cannot be released to the public,” Sarah Ardalani, the Public Information Officer for the Los Angeles County Medical Examiner-Coroner’s office, told CNN on June 22. The hold could last for “months to years, depending on the investigation and the agency,” according to Ardalani.
“They are clearly hiding information because they know they are in the wrong,” said Nicholas Yoka, a second attorney representing the Guardado family.

“These statements raise more questions than answers and confirm our belief that Andres presented no threat whatsoever to these officers. We believe that once our investigation is complete, we will demonstrate beyond any doubt that this was an act of unjustified police violence against another innocent young man.”
Today the results of the autopsy authorized by the family were released:
Andres Guardado, 18, was shot five times in the back by a Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputy last month, according to the results of an independent autopsy released by his family Wednesday after the county put a hold on publicly releasing the official medical examiner's report. The preliminary forensic toxicology results also found that Guardado had no drugs or alcohol in his system at the time of the incident.
 

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An in depth article from Vox on why police departments end up racist and using extreme force regardless of their intent to be that way.

 

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Mariah Valenzuela, 23, was pulled over one night in January for a minor traffic violation. Body-camera footage obtained by the Guardian shows that the officer involved, Michael McGillis, would not tell the unarmed woman why he stopped her, and that seconds after she said she didn’t have ID on her, he tackled and slammed her on to the ground, injuring her head, face, hands and legs.

Police footage also documents another officer instructing the policemen on the scene to “cover your ass” in the paperwork.

Following the incident, Valenzuela was taken to jail, accused of resisting arrest and “creating a substantial risk of physical injury” to an officer. She was also cited for DUI even though her blood alcohol content was well below the legal limit.
According to the police dept, professional standards were followed.
 

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The Nation reported a frightening explanation about the laws giving power to the secret police detaining peaceful protestors or whoever they want without accountability:
The Portland arrest of Mark Pettibone, first reported by Oregon Public Broadcasting, followed several similar arrests involving officers from a Border Patrol Tactical Unit (BORTAC)—CBP’s equivalent of a SWAT team—as well as the US Marshals Special Operations Group. A CBP spokesman confirmed to The Nation that CBP agents were responsible for the arrest, pointing to authorities under the Protecting American Communities Task Force.
 

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Especially when you hear the police on the police cameras referring to it as "excited delirium or whatever" and realize they have just been trained in referencing it to use it for a justification for certain actions they want to inflict.
 

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That was a great article because it showed exactly what is wrong with sending police to mental health calls without preaching or stating an opinion.

It really upsets me to hear things like "we need mental health professionals but they're too expensive so let's send some cops to a one day training." That just seems so illogical and insane to me.
 

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Johnson and Winston looked up. A Secret Service cruiser had driven into their front left bumper, Winston told The Washington Post. Within seconds, Winston recalled, a uniformed Secret Service officer was pointing a rifle at them, yelling “Get out!” and “Put your hands in the air!” More officers surrounded them with guns pulled, the women said. Over the next hour, Winston and Johnson said, they were handcuffed without reason, separated from their crying babies, and handled by police who, at first, did not wear masks to protect against the novel cor***irus.
For about 45 minutes, according to the letter, the babies wailed in the back seat of the car while the women were in handcuffs. The doors to the car were open, which made the mothers worry about their children overheating. Winston asked if she could breastfeed her son, but was ignored, she said.
Babies left in a hot car in Wash DC for 45 minutes?
 

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That was a great article because it showed exactly what is wrong with sending police to mental health calls without preaching or stating an opinion.

It really upsets me to hear things like "we need mental health professionals but they're too expensive so let's send some cops to a one day training." That just seems so illogical and insane to me.
And we send police to these calls every single day. It isn't fair to them and isn't fair to the person who is having issues. When you read Ivy's story you know you want to save her.
 

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Yet another very upsetting incident from the same police dept. that killed Elijah McClain. Police hold guns on children, handcuff innocent minors and detain a family apparently for a "stolen" car.

The problem? The license plate for the actual stolen vehicle was for another state and type of vehicle (motorcycle) and the family had done nothing wrong. Don't worry though. The police "apologized" for their actions, so sorry if the six year old has nightmares from the experience. :rolleyes:
Aurora police apologized after a group of Black girls were detained and at least two handcuffed during a weekend investigation of a stolen car. Officers later determined that the vehicle they were seeking had the same license plate number but was from out of state.

The video shows the 17-year-old and 12-year-old lying on their stomachs with their hands cuffed behind their backs and a 14-year-old girl lying next to the 6-year-old, also on their stomachs, in a parking lot next to the car. They can be heard crying and screaming as officers stand with their back to the camera. A woman on the other side of the car is shown being led away in handcuffs.
When the same police force carries on this business as usual with total negligence after so many other incidents, it's pretty clear they have no interest in de-escalation and there is no end in sight for this problem. :(
 

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Here is a follow-up article regarding the incident that has a link to the video:
The detainment of the children is the latest in a year-long string of controversies for the Aurora Police Department. Since the Aug. 30 death of Elijah McClain after a violent arrest by officers, the department has also reckoned with the case of an officer who escaped criminal investigation and kept his job though he passed out drunk in his police car while armed and on duty; the conviction of a former officer for stealing from a nonprofit; fallout from the department’s decision to forcefully disperse a largely peaceful crowd at a vigil for McClain; multiple officers charged with DUIs; and a scandal where officers posed for smiling selfies at the site of McClain’s arrest while mimicking the chokehold used on McClain, among others issues.
 

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