Why Does This Keep Happening: The Police Thread

Tony Wheeler

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Seriously, why does it always come down to which political party someone is coming from? If you can't see that Trump HIMSELF is fueling the fire by staying out of it, then using selective words, then redacting it, then telling Governors in a phone conversation essentially the same thing he said in his initial Tweets- some of you need to have your own heads examined.

There's always going to be that one person (group) that thinks they are being sneaky/deceiving by doing something that stirs the pot for the other side, and I most certainly don't think all Liberals are saints.

But at the end of the day, you have a National leader whom many idiots will listen to with each and every ounce of their beings. This may not be where the problems started, but since he's taken office, he's sure as hell given plenty of narrow-minded morons the ability to think their unbelievable hatred is acceptable. THE END.
 

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I'm watching the press conference now. It's hard to see, but the county attorney is showing the video. It appears there is confrontation with the bar owner's father and several protesters. The owner said he had a gun and the dead man pushed him. It looks like someone - who was identified as the dead man - jumped on the bar owner. The owner had told them he had a gun.

The shooter says it was self defense. And county attorney says all the evidence points to self defense.

It's going to get ugly.
 

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I believe Amy Cooper is a liberal.
Why?

Seriously, the only thing we know about her politics is that she berated someone for voting for Obama, a Democrat. Why do you think that makes her a liberal? It seems unlikely.
 

Tony Wheeler

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Why?

Seriously, the only thing we know about her politics is that she berated someone for voting for Obama, a Democrat. Why do you think that makes her a liberal? It seems unlikely.

I think she is. I read reports that she’s donated to campaigns for Buttigieg, John Kerry, and even Obama.

Either way, being a democrat doesn’t mean some people still won’t be asses or spew their hatred.
 

Tony Wheeler

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Watch the phone exchange between the Illinois Governor- who says exactly what most of us have been saying, and watch Trump’s immediate shutdown and turning it back on the Governor.

This man DOES NOT CARE. He sits back and watched the (literal) fires start that he helped instigate and then acts like he doesn’t know how it could happen.
 

CaliSteve

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And Johnny Weir decided to post his idiotic take on the protests. Not that I'd expected high from him, though.

I think he deleted his post and made another one...
 

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The 2nd autopsy of George Floyd is complete.
World renowned medical examiner Dr. Michael Baden, who performed independent autopsy, says "Mr. Floyd had no underlying medical problem that caused or contributed to his death... he was in good health."
 

once_upon

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Omaha Post CA press conference, father/attorney press conference.

Father and his attorney are asking for a grand jury to investigate. Asking for additional video that others might have regarding the incident.

Asking for peaceful protests.

The shooter had expired Carry and Conceal permit.

ETA: police copters circling. I expect that to continue all night.
 
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PrincessLeppard

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To add on to what @once_upon said, the bar owner apparently pulled his gun from under his shirt. While Nebraska is an open carry state, you do need a permit for concealed carry. And this guy's was expired. So they could have AT LEAST charged him with that, but didn't.

People who were there said the James Scurlock (ugh, the DA kept saying "Spurlock;" that's not going to help) jumped on the bar owner to prevent him from shooting.

I get why he wasn't charged for murder. But what a cluster*ck.
 

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I think she is. I read reports that she’s donated to campaigns for Buttigieg, John Kerry, and even Obama.
Trump once was a registered Democrat. I wouldn't call him a liberal.

The Lincoln Project is a group of Republicans who is supporting Biden. I wouldn't call them liberals and I don't think they'd call themselves that either.

I don't think we can determine whether someone is a liberal simply by whose campaign they donated to.
 

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Trump abuses the governors.

Biden asks the mayors what they need.
I thought the Secret Service was hiding a shell-shocked Trump in a mountain holler in Appalachia. So the orange rodent has emerged to blame everyone else for his problems? What a surprise.
 

Tony Wheeler

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Trump once was a registered Democrat. I wouldn't call him a liberal.

The Lincoln Project is a group of Republicans who is supporting Biden. I wouldn't call them liberals and I don't think they'd call themselves that either.

I don't think we can determine whether someone is a liberal simply by whose campaign they donated to.
And like I said, I don’t think we can assume all Republicans think one way and all Liberals think one way. Plenty of Karens are hardcore Liberals.

However, considering the climate of the last four years, donating to Buttigieg would be a pretty strong suggestion that she’s more Liberal than not, at least IMO.
 

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Just watched this -


"The independent examiners found that weight on the back, handcuffs and positioning were contributory factors because they impaired the ability of Floyd's diaphragm to function, according to the report."

First degree murder for all of them.
 

allezfred

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Looking at how the US police seem to be armed to the gills, I can see why there is no money for healthcare, clean water, education....
 

snoopy

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Looking at how the US police seem to be armed to the gills, I can see why there is no money for healthcare, clean water, education....
Word. A quote from Steve Schmidt (a conservative):

Here is one Police reform that should happen immediately. Policemen and women should start dressing like Police again. No more BDU’s, bloused combat boots or other military accoutrements. Shoes, trousers, collared shirts. Think Mayberry not Fallujah.
 

Tony Wheeler

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Amy Cooper is not exactly such a unique name and actually looking at the donation sites seems to indicate these donations came from different Amy Coopers.

I’m not sure if there’s this hardcore point to prove by some people that Liberals can never do such a thing or what, but let me give you some examples that I see often:

-There is a HUGE Cuban presence in Miami. They were allowed citizenship as long as they got to the land here for a long time, and now many of them are very hardcore Republicans and very vocal in their support of Trump. Why? They will tell you - they got their freedoms but they don’t want any other Latinos to have the same chance, whether legal or illegal. And I’ve seen plenty on social media in these last few days that reinforces these ideas towards the African American community.

-I was engaged to a darker-skinned Peruvian. In a minimum of three different instances, in a city that is 77% Latino by demographics, other Latinos told him that HE was too dark, he was ‘obviously poor’, and that he needed to go back to the jungle. Unprovoked. And coming from people just like him. And on one of these occasions, the person was even asking me out of disgust how I could choose anyone like that. Let me tell you a little louder: this is happening in a city that is SEVENTY-SEVEN percent Latino. Now imagine how it is outside of Miami, from people of every color towards people of every other color.

-There has long been a no fats, no fems, no Asians, no blacks stigma in the gay community, often put in profiles on Grindr or Tinder, even though most of the LGBTQIA community will say they are hardcore Liberals fighting for the rights of every minority.

In summary, and not just to you, we can always look for reasons why someone may fill the stereotype that has been established. Or we can simply understand that identifying as Liberal or Conservative doesn’t really mean shit.
 

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Seriously, why does it always come down to which political party someone is coming from?
For me, it was quite obvious (and I posted it here ad nauseam) that civil unrest was going to be a consequence of the lockdown. A lockdown that "liberal" governors have extended and extended, with no plan. A lockdown that politicians like AOC have said is an opportunity to rebuild society in their socialist vision.

Of course this is happening. Of course this is worse than usual. It was entirely predictable. I didn't know that a police murder would be the ember that lit the fire, but I always knew that there'd be fire. People have been locked up, with their jobs, their dignity, and their humanity taken away.

If you can't see that Trump HIMSELF is fueling the fire by staying out of it, then using selective words, then redacting it, then telling Governors in a phone conversation essentially the same thing he said in his initial Tweets- some of you need to have your own heads examined.
Trump's attempts to end the lockdown were / are a good thing, though some of his methods (e.g., bleach) were not the most helpful.

His response to the murder of George Floyd has been horrendous. I agree with you - he is fueling the fire. Using blatantly racist language. Failing to take responsibility. He's engaging in a race war in the hopes that it will him the presidency.

Where I differ with you is that I think the Democrats are knowing and intentional participants in the race war; they think it will win them the election, too. And they've been planning for it since the start of lockdown.
 

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In summary, and not just to you, we can always look for reasons why someone may fill the stereotype that has been established. Or we can simply understand that identifying as Liberal or Conservative doesn’t really mean shit.
OK, fine, but that's not what he said. He claimed that white liberals are mostly responsible for looting and racism. That's a pretty friggin large brush to paint with.

Also, just because someone on Grindr says no fats, fems, Asians, blacks does NOT mean that they also don't support equal rights for them or is racist or whatever. It's for sex. If I'm trolling for sex, I'd be pretty descriptive on what I want/don't want. I can support equality for everyone and not want to have a sex hook-up with them. But with regards to what I want sexually, everyone is not equally entitled to have sex with me.
 
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Tony Wheeler

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For me, it was quite obvious (and I posted it here ad nauseam) that civil unrest was going to be a consequence of the lockdown. A lockdown that "liberal" governors have extended and extended, with no plan. A lockdown that politicians like AOC have said is an opportunity to rebuild society in their socialist vision.

Of course this is happening. Of course this is worse than usual. It was entirely predictable. I didn't know that a police murder would be the ember that lit the fire, but I always knew that there'd be fire. People have been locked up, with their jobs, their dignity, and their humanity taken away.
I'm not disagreeing here, and I know most people in general are tired of the lockdowns. Maybe not on FSU, but in the US as whole, yes, I think they are over it.

His response to the murder of George Floyd has been horrendous. I agree with you - he is fueling the fire. Using blatantly racist language. Failing to take responsibility. He's engaging in a race war in the hopes that it will him the presidency.

Where I differ with you is that I think the Democrats are knowing and intentional participants in the race war; they think it will win them the election, too. And they've been planning for it since the start of lockdown.
I don't disagree here either and you'll see in my later replies that I'm trying to show that all good-intentioned people ≠ Liberal and all racists and vile people ≠ Conservative. But I do know that many of these extreme haters on the Conservative side will repeatedly say 'He is MY President', 'I stand with MY President', and they will either a) follow whatever he says/they think he's saying or b) they will interpret his lack of saying much as their right to be all of whatever the above is at this point.

The leadership HAS to come from the top. We can try all we want within our communities to make things better but unless it comes from the absolute top, there are always going to be those people that WILL NOT change their ways of thinking and then argue for hours about how it's what the President wants. And like I said previously- it is obvious that he is fueling this to keep people on his side. The minute he ever really puts his foot down for any African-American is the minute he loses a lot of support. That's disgusting.
 

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Where I differ with you is that I think the Democrats are knowing and intentional participants in the race war; they think it will win them the election, too. And they've been planning for it since the start of lockdown.
I don't think "Democrats" as in Democratic leadership has had any such plans. I have seen comments from individual Democrats making cheerleader type comments about taking on riot police. I want to say to them that black people will lose that battle everyday of the week. Not even trained militias can take on the full on battle gear of the US military and police paramilitary.
 

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For me, it was quite obvious (and I posted it here ad nauseam) that civil unrest was going to be a consequence of the lockdown. A lockdown that "liberal" governors have extended and extended, with no plan. A lockdown that politicians like AOC have said is an opportunity to rebuild society in their socialist vision.

Of course this is happening. Of course this is worse than usual. It was entirely predictable. I didn't know that a police murder would be the ember that lit the fire, but I always knew that there'd be fire. People have been locked up, with their jobs, their dignity, and their humanity taken away.



Trump's attempts to end the lockdown were / are a good thing, though some of his methods (e.g., bleach) were not the most helpful.

His response to the murder of George Floyd has been horrendous. I agree with you - he is fueling the fire. Using blatantly racist language. Failing to take responsibility. He's engaging in a race war in the hopes that it will him the presidency.

Where I differ with you is that I think the Democrats are knowing and intentional participants in the race war; they think it will win them the election, too. And they've been planning for it since the start of lockdown.
Sorry what proof do you have that the civil unrest was a consequence of the lockdown? Up to this point the only people protesting the lockdown were those self-entitled twats who couldn't get a haircut or buy lawn fertiliser. Of course a number were armed to the teeth but they were "very good people". According to the surveys I have seen most people from both political sides support the lockdown.

It might be a contributing factor, but I seem to remember seeing a guy being killed by a police officer on video. And then a President who constantly fans hatred, racism and biogtry which creates a culture in the country that minorities get attacked and victimised by those who think they are superior to them. And he just fuelling the fire now because for him it helps his election. He has no intention of trying to quell the situation.
 

Tony Wheeler

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OK, fine, but that's not what he said. He claimed that white liberals are mostly responsible for looting and racism. That's a pretty friggin large brush to paint with.

Also, just because someone on Grindr says no fats, fems, Asians, blacks does NOT mean that they also don't support equal rights for them or is racist or whatever. It's for sex. If I'm trolling for sex, I'd be pretty descriptive on what I want/don't want. I can support equality for everyone and not want to have a sex hook-up with them.
In regards to your first point- we are arguing different things. My reply was based on this searching to question if Amy Cooper was a Liberal or not, and people suggesting that just because A, B, and C may be there, it doesn't necessarily equal D. I don't disagree, but I also see Liberals that are just as bad.

And I think your second response leads to a bunch of questionable issues. If you think that this is only a Grindr thing in the community, look harder. It's not exactly hidden.
 

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