Why Does This Keep Happening: The Police Thread

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There is an investigation underway in Chicago area due to repeated incidents of police serving search warrants at the wrong houses and terrorizing innocent residents, including young children. This article has links to several cases. It sounds like the police have not only been negligent when it comes to obtaining the search warrants, but also have been acting with impunity due to a lack of accountability and no consequences for their actions.
Mayor Lori Lightfoot also committed to working with police leadership to find solutions and change the way officers treat children during police raids. “We can’t have this,” Lightfoot said. “What does it mean when we make mistakes, and particularly, when we make mistakes in the way in which we deal with your/our children? That leaves an indelible scar that is very, very difficult to repair.”

Body camera footage and interviews with families obtained by CBS 2 revealed allegations of officers pointing guns at children, handcuffing innocent parents, destroying property and even handcuffing an 8-year-old child during these incidents. CBS 2 has interviewed 23 children as part of this series. Many of these raids occurred after police failed to take additional steps to verify information provided to them by confidential informants, our reporting found.
In a related case in the Chicago suburbs a boy was shot in his bedroom by the police while serving a search warrant for a man who wasn't in the house :
 

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The article doesn't say this but reading between the lines, it seems like they were making an example of him.
 

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The trial for the police officer that killed Botham Jean in his own apartment has begun.
We're about to see if the "I shot him in the dark apt while he ate ice cream and watched football because I feared for my life" defense is going to work. It's going to be a really sad statement if there are no legal consequences for this case.
 

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Time for jury deliberations.
… Judge Tammy Kemp ruled the jury can consider the Castle Doctrine during deliberations. The Castle Doctrine, similar to the Stand Your Ground Law, allows a person to use “or using force (even deadly force) in the protection of a home, vehicle, or other property if someone attempts to forcibly enter or remove an individual from the premises.

The Judge also ruled that jurors may consider manslaughter when sentencing Guyger.
 

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I am absolutely flabbergasted about this "Castle Doctrine" thing. When I first read headline about jury have to consider this thing, I thought it was in favor of Botham Jean, like, it was his f*cking "castle", was it not? Seeing this BS that "she thought it was her place, so she was right to kill him" - it makes me sick in my mouth.
America is running on precedent law, right? Does it mean if she win, you can run amok across the state of Texas, killing people around, because, you know, Earth is our common home?
 

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America is running on precedent law, right? Does it mean if she win, you can run amok across the state of Texas, killing people around, because, you know, Earth is our common home?
Maybe not but what would keep racists from going into POC's homes, kill them and then claim it was an accident and they thought it was their home? (And not just racists. Anyone really.)
 

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I guess they had to try using the Castle Doctrine as part of the defense, but it seems like her legal team pursued an "everything but the kitchen sink" defense, and the defendant's own testimony probably hurt her case. She was not inside her house defending herself against an aggressor or intruder, which is the normal "stand your ground" defense. She was already outside of someone else's home on the other side of a steel door and became the aggressor even though she had other options. She testified and specifically said she meant to shoot and kill him. It sounded like her own testimony helped convict her of the murder charge rather than manslaughter. Then the defense put people on the stand to testify about how they accidentally went to the wrong floors and into the wrong units. It was used against her by the prosecution to highlight that none of those witnesses shot, killed or physically engaged with the resident inside the wrong apt, which further emphasized her wrongdoing.

I sympathize with the confusion people experience in this apt complex, but it's something that might allow them to take civil action to resolve the problem, not misuse lethal force.
 

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There has been another TX police shooting of a resident inside her own home who was mistaken for an intruder.
Body camera video released by police on Saturday shows two police officers using flashlights to check the perimeter of the home, inspecting multiple doors that are open with a screen door closed. In the back of home, one officer appears to see a figure through a dark window, and he quickly twists his body

“Put your hands up! Show me your hands!” he shouts through the window, his gun drawn. He then fires a single shot through the window. He does not identify himself as a police officer in the video. Police said that the officer, who joined the department in April 2018, saw a person standing inside the home near a window.
 
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This has gotten out of control. It was only a non-emergency wellness check, why didn't they just knock on the front door? Why sneak around the back? What in the actual hell???? Why didn't they identify themselves in the first place? That's suicide to sneak into someone's backyard late at night, especially in Texas where seemingly everyone owns a gun. Not very smart.
 
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There has been another TX police shooting of a resident inside her own home who was mistaken for an intruder.
Oh. They say "firearm" was found close to victim. How apt.
But wait. It's Texas. Where was this lady's "castle doctrine"? Her 2nd Amendment? She could have effing bazooka, trench mortar and Apache helicopter nearby at she would be in her right? Why did they post about her firearm?
Or did this police officer got thought he was sneaking into his own house as well?
 

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I feel terrible for the poor guy who called the police. I was seeing quotes in an article that he feels like he killed her because he called the police. I hope he has support around him. :(

I just...what? I can't fathom it. Can't even process the concept, the thought process that led to this. It's unfathomable.
 

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Oh. They say "firearm" was found close to victim. How apt.
But wait. It's Texas. Where was this lady's "castle doctrine"? Her 2nd Amendment? She could have effing bazooka, trench mortar and Apache helicopter nearby at she would be in her right? Why did they post about her firearm?
Or did this police officer got thought he was sneaking into his own house as well?
Why did they post about the firearm? Well, why did the police department mention that they found porn and marijuana in Botham Jean's apartment after Amber Guyger murdered him? Just to besmirch the victim or make them seem less 'innocent'. And you're right, in Texas there is a stand your ground law. I just don't understand why the police didn't knock on the front door and identify themselves since it was just a wellness check. Why park around the corner instead of in her driveway? It's infuriating. Seriously, this woman did nothing wrong, and she probably heard them prowling around her back yard with flashlights. What was she supposed to think was happening? So even if she was holding a gun, and I don't think she was considering the only thing the police department said was that a firearm was found in the house and if she was holding one I am sure they would have mentioned that, she was completely within her rights to. If I hear someone in my backyard and they are shining flashlights into my window in the middle of the night, I'd grab my gun too.
 

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Police officer fired/resigned:
Well, I am happy to see swift action in this case. I feared it was going to be another "I feared for my life" situation where the cop gets off from murder. Now he can face the music. Prison is calling. Good luck, bro. And in light of the Guyger situation, he'll probably do best to plead guilty and take his five or ten years and save us all the trouble of a trial.
 

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Well, I am happy to see swift action in this case. I feared it was going to be another "I feared for my life" situation where the cop gets off from murder. Now he can face the music. Prison is calling. Good luck, bro.
But they didn't release his name for 48 hours. Allowed him to ghost himself on social media.
I'm so disturbed that it took him exactly four seconds to fire a fatal shot.
 

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I feel terrible for the poor guy who called the police. I was seeing quotes in an article that he feels like he killed her because he called the police. I hope he has support around him. :(
I went to a Bystander Intervention class and one of the things they said to never do was to call the police. Not if the bystander was homeless, a POC, gay, etc. (Which, if you are intervening to help someone being hurt/hassled in public, they would pretty much always be.) As a white person, when I'm in trouble, I call the police. But too many times, in these sorts of situations, the police end up hurting the person you are calling them in order to get help.

I didn't really accept this advice at the time but the more we hear about these incidents, the more I see the wisdom of it.
 

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And on a non-emergent WELLNESS CHECK!!!! Imagine how he'd react if he was called to a situation where a crime was thought to be committed?!?! Guns ablazing! I'm thinking this is even worse than the Guyger situation, because she (allegedly) thought she was defending her home. This guy just shoots into a house?
 

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I have to wonder why the neighbor didn't just go over there and knock on the door. That's what I do when I see my neighbors have gone off and left the door open.

And when I've left my door open when we lived in the townhouse, our next-door neighbor would shut it and put a note on it explaining they had found it open and no one home.
 

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I have to wonder why the neighbor didn't just go over there and knock on the door. That's what I do when I see my neighbors have gone off and left the door open.

And when I've left my door open when we lived in the townhouse, our next-door neighbor would shut it and put a note on it explaining they had found it open and no one home.
I actually have accidentally left my door open and fallen asleep and my neighbors have closed it with a note left under the door.
 

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I have to wonder why the neighbor didn't just go over there and knock on the door. That's what I do when I see my neighbors have gone off and left the door open.
Makes me wonder too. According to reports the front doors had a screened storm door and the main door was open because it was the first cold wave of the season and they just wanted to cool down the house. It wasn't just a front door left ajar. I left my back door open with just the screen after the cold front too this weekend. The neighbor seems devastated so I won't criticize him, but yeah, before calling the police why not just walk ten feet and call into the house and see if everything is okay? Woulda coulda shoulda.
 

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