What does re-opening look like?

Japanfan

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How was Pillars of the Earth? I want to read that one.
It's wonderful - Ken Follett's masterpiece - with an engaging and dramatic story built around the building of a great cathedral. And well-drawn, intriguing characters, particularly two who are villian/hero to put it simply.

I've read is several times and feel ready to read it again.

And it's been expanded into a series of three, the other two being 'World Without End' and 'Column of Fire'. I enjoyed those as well, but it was 'Pillars' that is most memorable.
 

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This is my third time reading Pillars of the Earth - got about 150 pages into it. Also currently reading Sin Eater and the second Veronica Speedwell mystery.
 

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Massachusetts goes to Phase 3 on Monday with gyms, museums, casinos and movie theaters allowed to open with capacity limits and strict public health monitoring. Despite the monitoring, this won’t end well, especially if we have a heat wave. We have a long tradition of rushing to air conditioned spaces if it’s hot for a few days in a row. Central air is still a rarity in most homes.
 

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Massachusetts goes to Phase 3 on Monday with gyms, museums, casinos and movie theaters allowed to open with capacity limits and strict public health monitoring. Despite the monitoring, this won’t end well, especially if we have a heat wave. We have a long tradition of rushing to air conditioned spaces if it’s hot for a few days in a row. Central air is still a rarity in most homes.

Yeah, I am not sure this is the best move right now. Our numbers have improved so much ... I'd like to see them stay there, and go even lower. The only thing I'm tempted by are museums, as it would be a welcome distraction for the kids. Plus, they're usually so big and quiet and crowd-free. But, still, I'll probably hold off for a while.
 

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24 Hour Fitness has declared chapter 11 bankruptcy. No idea what this will do to my not-yet activated membership. It will make it hard to sell it if I decide I'd rather join the Bay Club. I will probably just activated it and stop trying to optimize once they open gyms back up in our county. And hope they last 2 years. :D

I find it interesting that they are in Chapter 11 as it seemed like their business model was to sign up tons of people who never actually went to the gym and keep the ones who do actually show up moderately happy. So how different is it now? They do zoom classes that no one goes and the ones who do are moderately happy. Plus I am pretty sure most of their staff are not full-time employees so if they aren't leading classes, they aren't getting paid. So all they need to do is keep enough dues flowing in to pay the rent and utilities.

This makes me wonder if they were in trouble before this. If they weren't in very good shape before, this could definitely push them over the edge.
 

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My gym has not been taking my fees since the shutdown. They too had to file for bankruptcy, they had too much debt and the shutdown was the last straw. Maybe 24 Hour Fitness had similar issues pre YKW.
 

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It's interesting they stop charging fees. I was stopped charging fees for my tri 'club' that was really more group coaching than a club. But it was run out of a city's recreation department which is very different from being a for-profit business.

I know 24 hour fitness was doing online classes so I'm surprised if they stopped charging. Maybe they considered it a way to keep people engaged so they'd come back when gyms open back up.
 

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I'm frankly very surprised that there will be fireworks display in NYC and worried that all the progress made will be for naught.

I figure Trump celebrations in DC and South Dakota will cause a huge uptick in cases. SD already had/has issues around Rapid City.

I guess I'm unpatriotic I dont see that the risk is worth the celebration.

Going out to eat - outdoors which is our usual summertime experience (outdoors), I think I forgot to do my new routine of through handwashing upon return home. 😥
 

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My gym has not been taking my fees since the shutdown. They too had to file for bankruptcy, they had too much debt and the shutdown was the last straw. Maybe 24 Hour Fitness had similar issues pre YKW.
Planet Fitness has also not taken any fees for several months. I thought they might start charging again in June, but I think my charge in March was done, and so that may have been why they didn’t charge me in June. We’ll see if they charge me in July. It’s only $10 a month so I am inclined to keep paying it no matter how little I use the gym. I haven’t been there yet, but may start going a couple times a week to do some weight training that I can’t do at home.
 

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I find it interesting that they are in Chapter 11 as it seemed like their business model was to sign up tons of people who never actually went to the gym and keep the ones who do actually show up moderately happy. So how different is it now? They do zoom classes that no one goes and the ones who do are moderately happy. Plus I am pretty sure most of their staff are not full-time employees so if they aren't leading classes, they aren't getting paid. So all they need to do is keep enough dues flowing in to pay the rent and utilities.
My former gym closed permanently about a month ago. I kind of wondered the same thing (I had not set foot in the gym for something like 2 years before I finally cancelled) - but I think both the shutdown, which removed even the fantasy of going to the gym, plus a ton of people losing their jobs and cutting any unnecessary expenses, probably eliminated a whole strata of members. Where I live, rents are outrageous, so it would take a LOT of members to sustain that space.
 

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we are in the next phase of reopening in Germany and from next week forward contact sport will be allowed again 🥰 I am very happy for my son who can now really play field hockey again.
Although the kids and coaches did great with distance training and very small groups (most of the time it was four kids and two coaches when my son was playing).

school is nearly over though. He now had three weeks of going on alternate days with half the class present. It worked well and it was great for us to have a few hours of uninterrupted work-time finally.
 

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My spin studio hasn’t charged me since March. I got email recently saying they will start charging again in July. Not sure when I will feel comfortable going back.
 

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I probably need to make a dental appointment. But the tooth doesnt hurt, in fact it feels good just the bite is off. I'm not real comfortable going into an office where by its nature viral particles can be disbursed easily and routinely if someone has C-19. Noone is assured that the office staff or their previous client is ********* free.

I know the dentist is young, she replaced my dentist of 40+ years when he retired, but there is no way I will consent to a dental implant if it is as pictured a screw into the gum. I have enough sinus issues as it is, I dont need a foreign object drilled into my gum/sinus. I assume as a newbie she wont do a filling or crown. Another reason to avoid an exposure
 

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I went to the football for the first time since March last night. Lots of restrictions. Only 1500 of us in our stadium that holds 28000. Crowd only on the eastern side, western side closed. Minimum of two seats apart, even in the same household; every second row empty. Had to sit in your seat, do not move around. Couldn't bring in anything except a certain list of things: a sealed water bottle in a plastic baggie, a sandwich, a blanket. Had to check if I could bring my umbrella when it looked like rain.

We were noisy as fcuk though :lol:
 

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I just made a dental appointment for mid August. We will see if I feel like I can really go.

My sister asked me if I was thinking about flying out to see her :eek: I said no. Plus, she is "social distancing" with her entire family which includes 12 young grandchildren. I have no idea who they are in contact with??? I feel I will never see my family again until there is a vaccine.
 

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I probably need to make a dental appointment. But the tooth doesnt hurt, in fact it feels good just the bite is off. I'm not real comfortable going into an office where by its nature viral particles can be disbursed easily and routinely if someone has C-19. Noone is assured that the office staff or their previous client is ********* free.
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So last Tuesday I went out to meet a couple of friends for brunch in a very large, practically empty venue and the one friend was complaining about some dentists tacking on extra fees for extra PPE & cleaning measures. She was not sympathetic because we all know the staff has been pretty much all PPE'd for decades now - ever since AIDS. I suggested they must be facing increased overhead because they will probably be seeing many less patients and the costs of PPE have skyrocketed. That evening on CBC's "The National" they visited a dentist to see what extra measures they were taking and I was actually surprised at some of it. Since there is so much chance of aerosolizing (sp?) ***** particles during procedures and even just spraying the mouth with water there is a definite higher risk to everyone. The dentist also said they had to either put in a super expensive air purification system, or leave each room empty for 3 hours after each patient. I'm not sure if that order applies across the country or just in Ontario, which is the centre of the universe as far as Canada is concerned. Sometimes they don't always remember to mention if things apply only to that province. In fairness 40% of the population live in Ontario - just not me. I would like to know because I am due for a cleaning soon - guess I will have to ask my own dentist.
 

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Really? I live in Winterpeg - well north of Mass. Almost everyone has air conditioning here and we don't even have much of a humidity problem in July & August.
Most of the housing inside the inner ring was built before 1960 and uses radiator heat. No ductwork, and many homes don’t have natural gas service. Retrofits are very expensive, so most go with window units or the Mitsubishi ductless units that can cool a couple of rooms.
 

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Today I ventured back to my particular Planet Fitness. I’d looked on line and they have a crowd meter indicating how crowded that particular club is. I saw it was at one bar, the lowest level. I had 3 exercises I wanted to do, so I figured I would go see what it was like.

It was indeed fairly empty. Everyone was in a mask except one guy who was all by himself on a machine in one section, and the signage said people had to wear a mask unless you were using the equipment. I continued to the section I wanted to work out in and there was only 1 other person in it. Every other machine was blocked off. Every other piece of cardio equipment was also blocked off, and the aisles had directional arrows (though I don’t know if people paid attention to them). I used the two pieces of equipment I’d wanted to use and went to do one more exercise, but that piece of equipment was being used. So, I just left and figured I will get that one next time.

When I was walking out, three people were coming in and they all gave me a wide berth just as I did them.

So I would call this a success. Plus when I came home I tasted one of the little individual cheesecakes I’d made and that was good too! :cheer2: Win, win, all around!
 

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I went running for the first time since an awful ankle injury about 10 months ago where I fractured a metatarsal and tore three ligaments. Wow. Lead legs.
 

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An app showing the crowd level is such a great idea.
The University of Washington has an on campus cherry blossom cam, which caught small groups speaking together in close proximity at length after we had all been cautioned to maintain social distance.
 

sk8pics

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An app showing the crowd level is such a great idea.
Yeah, this was actually on the website for the particular club. They are all supposed to have it. And I just checked my app since you mentioned it, and it is there too, although I had to hunt for it. No bars right now on the crowd level meter, which makes sense because it’s closed. :lol:
 

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I attempted to go out for coffee with friends tonight on a strip with lots of eating/drinking options and patios. We just reopened here recently, and I checked that the coffee shop was open - it said until 8 pm. Guess I should have phoned, because it actually closed at 6. We couldn't find anywhere to go for coffee, so we just sat and visited in a park. I noticed that the dinner line-ups for tables was fairly long, but really no so bad for a Saturday.

Guess next time we'll just have a picnic in the park. Maybe try a Monday or Tuesday night if we are going to dine out.

My friend was telling me that the coffee shop she hangs out at didn't have its bathroom open for some time because it was a one-person operation and that person just didn't have the time to clean the bathroom each time it is used.
 

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Not sure if this has been posted yet - the American Academy of Pediatrics re school reopenings:
The AAP strongly advocates that all policy considerations for the coming school year should start with a goal of having students physically present in school. The importance of in-person learning is well-documented, and there is already evidence of the negative impacts on children because of school closures in the spring of 2020. Lengthy time away from school and associated interruption of supportive services often results in social isolation, making it difficult for schools to identify and address important learning deficits as well as child and adolescent physical or sexual abuse, substance use, depression, and suicidal ideation. This, in turn, places children and adolescents at considerable risk of morbidity and, in some cases, mortality. Beyond the educational impact and social impact of school closures, there has been substantial impact on food security and physical activity for children and families.
And they discuss how to go about this at length.
 

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Not sure if this has been posted yet - the American Academy of Pediatrics re school reopenings:

And they discuss how to go about this at length.
Sorry, this still doesn't actually seem helpful with implementation? Lots of state plans have been criticized for including statements like " Desks should be placed 3 to 6 feet apart when feasible." That's not a strategy for school implementation. That's an instruction that is physically impossible in the currently school environment.

Neither is an instruction like "Cohort classes if possible, limit cross-over of students and teachers to the extent possible." We all know that this is the best strategy for high school. But if you look at the actual enrollment in classes for students in a high school like mine, you couldn't find 20 students enrolled in the same 8 classes. You might say "well what if we eliminate electives". Well, for the students who aren't the top students, those electives are a lot of the reason they come to school. For the students who are top students, the electives you're talking about are often things like AP Physics, Honors Sociology, and Latin. We can't eliminate their electives without compromising their education. Is that really the best choice?

As far as suggestions like "Block schedule (much like colleges, intensive 1-month blocks)." I assume they are referring to colleges with the quarter system, but there is a massive amount of data that suggests that high school students lose massive amounts of information over a summer break. Teaching them their YEAR OF MATH in an intensive one month block (or several) doesn't fit with current educational research about information retention for that age group.

I just want people to actually think about implementation. They can't keep saying "cohort students." I want them to actually sit down with the massive logic puzzle that my VP stayed up until 2am trying to fix for a week of days and actually see what it would be like to try to cohort those students. Propose a real plan for what this would mean. Not a sentence.
 

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24 Hour Fitness has declared chapter 11 bankruptcy. No idea what this will do to my not-yet activated membership. It will make it hard to sell it if I decide I'd rather join the Bay Club. I will probably just activated it and stop trying to optimize once they open gyms back up in our county. And hope they last 2 years. :D

I find it interesting that they are in Chapter 11 as it seemed like their business model was to sign up tons of people who never actually went to the gym and keep the ones who do actually show up moderately happy. So how different is it now? They do zoom classes that no one goes and the ones who do are moderately happy. Plus I am pretty sure most of their staff are not full-time employees so if they aren't leading classes, they aren't getting paid. So all they need to do is keep enough dues flowing in to pay the rent and utilities.

This makes me wonder if they were in trouble before this. If they weren't in very good shape before, this could definitely push them over the edge.
You're right - the middle tier gyms like 24 Hour Fitness and Golds were facing challenges before the ***** hit, so the ***** has pushed them over the edge. The gyms that had been doing well are the cheap, basic gyms like Planet Fitness, and the boutique gyms that offer personalized service/high end classes and stuff like that.

Really? I live in Winterpeg - well north of Mass. Almost everyone has air conditioning here and we don't even have much of a humidity problem in July & August.
No, it's true - central air is unusual in much of the northeastern US housing stock. Window boxes, designed to cool one room, are pretty common, but not everyone has them. I did't have even a window A/C unit until I moved to NY, and then, only once I moved to my third apartment.

And a lot of buildings here don't have A/C. The new buildings do; the old buildings do not. So for example, my daughter's elementary and high school don't have A/C. The dorms at my college don't have it.
 

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