What does re-opening look like?

canbelto

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Its going to be very tough in 4 weeks when unemployment dries up, PPP dries up, mortgages and rents are due and folks are going hungry. Gonna make the Black Lives Matter protests look like child's play.

I am so full grief at how badly this is going. My state is in free fall, the governor should be reinstituting the stay at home order but isn't. Having done the graveside service for a friend who died of it, and thinking about the almost 130,000 lives lost in the same way, it is just astounding to me that we have not created a way for communal lament about those deaths, how little they are discussed, how often our leaders skate past them.
Which state are you in? Just curious.
 

Aceon6

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I'd say 95% of the Republican governors are useless
We’ve got a good one in Charlie Baker.
ZERO deaths from crud yesterday! ZERO!
Y‘all are welcome to visit if you’re from New England, New York or New Jersey. Everyone else needs to isolate for 14 days.
 

once_upon

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We’ve got a good one in Charlie Baker.
ZERO deaths from crud yesterday! ZERO!
Y‘all are welcome to visit if you’re from New England, New York or New Jersey. Everyone else needs to isolate for 14 days.
That's who I was thinking of in the 5% :)
 

canbelto

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We’ve got a good one in Charlie Baker.
ZERO deaths from crud yesterday! ZERO!
Y‘all are welcome to visit if you’re from New England, New York or New Jersey. Everyone else needs to isolate for 14 days.
I've also heard good things about Mike DeWine (OH) and Larry Hogan (MD).
I was actually shocked to find out that the governors of some deep-red states are actually Dems: Kansas, Kentucky, NC, Montana.
 

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Cases in Ohio are increasing. I live in Warren County, but work in Montgomery County. A restaurant near my work has closed due to an outbreak among the employees.

Luckily, I'm still working at home because we haven't been able acquire all the PPE we need.
 

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Colorado just closed bars and nightclubs again. Numbers have been going up steadily for two weeks. Not as sharply as many other states, but steadily.
 

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All the school plans for the fall makes me concerned about October, usually the time period that illnesses normally tic up, then comes November the start of flu season
 

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Our pool is opening up. The pool is divided into 5 sections, max 10 people/section. You sign up online for an hour time slot. No changing facilities and an emergency only bathroom.
 

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Well the UK has locked down Leicester here. Some "Contact services" hairdressers and the like were due to reopen on 4th July but Leicester can't and non essential shops are now closed again. My sister lives in that area but outside the lockdown zone but has been sending me information that shows that the government is only counting cases that are tested in hospital or nursing homes and not the drive-through tests or home tests. Additionally when they count "testing" they are counting antibody tests which all result in a negative result so it that it looks like numbers are going down :rolleyes:

The government numbers are all saying that that the R rate is between 0.5 and 0.9 but the zoe university collaboration that is the main app being used by the NHS and that has been behind a lot of the home testing says the R rate is now between 1 and 1.1 which is the threshold the government said would trigger a full lockdown.

In barbering news I've just read the government issued guideline for re-opening for Mr Antmanb and it seems they are saying face shields are the only acceptable form of PPE for hairdressers barbers and not "face coverings" they expressly state that medical grade masks should be reserved for key workers in the NHS...might have been wise to issue this guidance weeks ago instead of one week before planned reopening since every hairdresser/barber Mr Antmanb communicates with (and that's hundreds) all order medical grade masks months ago for fear of their being a shortage when they were allowed to reopen. Thankfully Mr Antmanb has face shields too.
 

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Israel is back to April levels of new cases, though some of this is because testing has been ramped up considerably. still, it's a far cry from where we were in May, when it really seemed like the country was on the right track - single digit new cases daily, very low positive test rates. Unfortunately it only takes a handful of infected people to change things drastically, and between our useless government and many Israelis doing whatever they want, things went south. I was hoping to travel to Europe in the fall but this seems rather unlikely at the moment :(

The good news is that many of those they're diagnosing are young and are asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms. Hospitals can handle the relatively modest number of serious cases, and our case fatality rates remain fairly low. But we really need to get things under control.

Another vaccine is showing promise, to go along with several others in advanced stages. Maybe we'll be able to get back to a more normal life sooner than originally expected?
 

Miezekatze

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In barbering news I've just read the government issued guideline for re-opening for Mr Antmanb and it seems they are saying face shields are the only acceptable form of PPE for hairdressers barbers and not "face coverings" they expressly state that medical grade masks should be reserved for key workers in the NHS...
Do you still have a shortage of medical masks in the UK? :slinkaway

Here I think everybody can buy medical masks now and also prices are finally start to drop. Not to normal, but to more acceptable.
 

antmanb

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Do you still have a shortage of medical masks in the UK? :slinkaway

Here I think everybody can buy medical masks now and also prices are finally start to drop. Not to normal, but to more acceptable.
I don't know if its a shortage of masks or inefficiencies of the procurement departments of public authorities but if I tell you that my friend who is a social worker for adults with learning difficulties that range from high functioning individuals who live independently with help, right through to older teenagers who live at home but need 24 hour care and are considered extremely high risk for the crud and she just had delivery of PPE to use at work just two weeks ago. So for the majority of this she has been seeing high risk people with absolutely no PPE and no way to provide help at a social distance but providing an absolutely essential service to her clients.
 

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I don't know if its a shortage of masks or inefficiencies of the procurement departments of public authorities but if I tell you that my friend who is a social worker for adults with learning difficulties that range from high functioning individuals who live independently with help, right through to older teenagers who live at home but need 24 hour care and are considered extremely high risk for the crud and she just had delivery of PPE to use at work just two weeks ago. So for the majority of this she has been seeing high risk people with absolutely no PPE and no way to provide help at a social distance but providing an absolutely essential service to her clients.
One of my nieces is a social worker in Michigan and has been required to visit some of her clients in prison, with no PPE available or even required. This was as of the beginning of May. I’m sure she has acquired her own PPE by now, if none has been procured for her, but still, very scary at the start of this mess.
 

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I copied the first part from News to Reopening cause I got more "eye doctor" responses here -

Well, crap. Bad first - they can't use my frames. The Manager said once they heat up and bend the plastic to get the old lenses out and the new ones in, it gets more brittle and easier for the new lenses to fall out. They only had two columns of really ugly free frames. Caresource gives you $75 for other frames, but the other ones, that were not as pretty as my 2014 ones, are upwards of $200. (How did I get so lucky with these? I tried on frames for an hour then, they had so many to choose from.) The only other close Caresource eye doctor was Walmart, and I wasn't going to go there for the eye exam, especially now, but I figured they would have a lot of frames. So on the way home, instead of turning left before the mall, I turned right. I even got a place four from the door. Got to the eye thing and they are only open from 10-2. It was 2:15. I could see the prices on the frames back along the wall, and they were like $50 - 100. So I will have to go back there in a couple days between 10 and 2.

Good - first thing - leave it to a eye place to suggest twisting the mask elastic (to make an X on the side of your face) to make them lay closer on your face and not fog up glasses, and pull the bottom part of the X under the chin. I did that and I couldn't see the mask out of the bottom of my left eye at all. And not as much out of the right eye. (Remember, my head is crooked. My right eye and ear are slightly lower than the left.)

Anyway, I could see how really dark it was down there on the way and I figured it would storm as soon as I got there. I actually parked in the only diagonal spot left right in front of their door. Everything was sanitized and wiped, including me and my glasses. She only (I've never had a "lady eye doctor" before) took a tiny bit of prescription out of my right eye (I told her I didn't used to need a right contact) and added a tiny bit to my left. When I was reading the lines inside the machine, I could even read where it said 20/20 in smaller print underneath the letters I read.

That was each eye separately. My eyes don't work together. If my right eye is so good, why do I have to have my glasses on to watch t.v. though

After I told them about the posterior vitreous fluid detachment, she said they would dilate my pupils to check, but that would cost $39. I guess you have to have an acute problem for a specialist to do it and not charge. I did have to get a referral for the ophthalmologist and the retina specialist in 2016. But after all the looking at my eyes through the regular thing, she said they looked healthy and I didn't need it. I'd have to find another ophthalmologist (I hate the way that is spelled) if I needed one because they were in the process of closing that office the last time I was there. They had lots of frames there too.

They gave me my prescription to take somewhere else. Tomorrow I will check Caresource to see if they have any just opticians on the list. It never did rain. I hear thunder now.

Wednesday update -

Well, the eye saga continues. The Walmart by the mall is the only one around here that is not on the Caresource website. I called them just to check if the website is wrong, like it is when they say someplace takes it that doesn't 90% of the time. And anything I look up brings up ob/gyns and cardiologists - two things I do not need.

The doctor there retired, but I can still get Caresource frames there (or get $79 toward other ones? I didn't ask). However, they will not be open for 2 weeks because the lab has to update their protocols or something. I was confused because the sign had a bunch of stuff on it about the c.v. and reduced hours. She said it will be 2 weeks. I asked if I could just LOOK at the frames. She said no, that they will have masks in two weeks. Uh, I have a mask and I would sanitize myself. (I'd give her one of my masks? I didn't say. Or where is she answering the phone from?)

At the eye doctor yesterday, if I would have touched any frames, they have a basket to put them in to take away to be sanitized. She took my name and number. I'm sure I'm not the first person on the list. I called the one in Franklin too, same deal. Somebody doesn't want me to see. Heck, things might be completely closed down again in two weeks the way things are going.

There is a Gemini Eye Care over in Centerville on the Caresource doctor. I would probably have to have an appointment just to see what kind of frames I could get. I'm not driving around everywhere in 90* heat for the next 10 days.

I looked up ophthalmologists because the one I went to in 2016 had frames too. They closed the office soon after I was there. I called the closest one that actually showed up on the Caresource website. They no longer take Caresource. I hate Caresource.
 

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Iowa cancelled their in May (its held in Aug). By my Facebook page you would have thought Reynolds killed the butter cow. Well I guess technically she did.

Nebraska is doing a modified fair focusing on 4-H and other like things. I assume that means no carnival rides and no concerts.
 

Debbie S

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The MD state fair is scheduled to go on as usual. It's Aug 27-Sept 7 (Labor Day is late this year), so there could be changes between now and then. They won't be having concerts like they usually do and I think no spectators at the horse races.
 

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The county fairs around here seem to all be trying to do something. I'm really nonplussed.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. If they want to have a virtual auction, fine. But as soon as you open gates & invite people in, then you are responsible for the people who ignore health recommendations & want to visit with community members. Plus most fair judges are like skating judges--over 65. They shouldn't be put in the position of having to turn people down, and in many communities, schools open within two weeks of fair. It's just overall a really bad idea, IMO. We're still hoping Oregon State University will kabosh 4-H involvement. (Clubs haven't been meeting anyway. Nor should they. Unless you have parents that can do the projects with the kids, then you are pretty much on your own or left out anyway).
 

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In Australia the city of Melbourne has had a spike in case. Averaging over 70 a day for the last few days. This is because families had been gathering and spreading it around. And security guards at the hotels that people have been quarantining in have also caught it and spread it around.

Other people are refusing to be tested. So some suburbs are being locked down. A bit of a police state happening but if people are stupid that is what happens.

In the meantime the rest of Australia is alert but can be normal. Should be able to travel out of my state by the end of the month (as long as Melbourne behaves itself).
 

Dobre

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I am reading headlines where it seems like teacher's unions are fight back against these unworkable re-opening plans. How prevalent is that and how well do FSU teachers think it will work?
It's becoming more prevalent. I posted that article about Fairfax County in Virginia earlier because it was the first one I had seen regarding a response to school reopening plans via a teachers union. Then there was the list of professors arguing against reopening a university in Texas yesterday. And now we have D.C.:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...066d5a-bbb7-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html

Parents, politicians, & teachers. I think any of these groups can close schools, and I think you need all three to open them.
 

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All Canada Day festivities went virtual. It was raining today in Vancouver, so pretty dead.
 

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All Canada Day festivities went virtual. It was raining today in Vancouver, so pretty dead.
I spent the day reading Pillars of the Earth, we got subs for supper, only a handful of dishes to do, which was my only chore, neighbour set off some fireworks at dusk, hot but not too humid, on my forth glass of wine. I intentionally avoided news today. Pretty much a perfect day, about as relaxed as I have been for quite some time. 🇨🇦 ❤ 🇨🇦
 

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