bardtoob
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Unpopular Opinion: I don't like Jason Brown's exaggerated skating presentation.
Unpopular Opinion: I don't like Jason Brown's exaggerated skating presentation.
Todd Eldredge overdid his presentation?
He may have been elevated at that Nationals, but Goebel is the one who came away with the actual Olympic medal.He was undeservedly elevated to #1 in the US a couple times over a more skilled jumper in Timothy Goebel; esp. 2002 SLC Games!
I think we've got the winner, time to close the thread.I don’t like to watch figure skating without commentary.
If C/B hadn’t been at Worlds, the US would’ve likely been down to two spots as it is- remember, one of those young teams had a big mistake in the RD and didn’t qualify. So who are they keeping spots from?There should be a ceiling on the length of ice dancer competative careers. They don`t have the same level of injuries as the other disciplines and careers go on for ever. I think its a bummer for younger teams to rarely get to worlds or Europeans. I like them but C/B have been at it since the throw double toe.
Not talking specific situations, only a general problem as I see it.If C/B hadn’t been at Worlds, the US would’ve likely been down to two spots as it is- remember, one of those young teams had a big mistake in the RD and didn’t qualify. So who are they keeping spots from?
There should be a ceiling on the length of ice dancer competative careers. They don`t have the same level of injuries as the other disciplines and careers go on for ever. I think its a bummer for younger teams to rarely get to worlds or Europeans. I like them but C/B have been at it since the throw double toe.
This comes up periodically, but I find it's when it involves skaters people don't like.Not talking specific situations, only a general problem as I see it.
Based on what I've read about them, I don't believe they should be placed in the same category as the former group.Oh, and I wouldn't mind if Haein Lee and Young You never competed again either, even though I did like their skating.
I think American ice dance before the Russian coaching is severely underrated. This is only unpopular insofar that it seems people think American ice dance didn’t exist until the early 2000s with the fruits of the Russian coaches’ labor, such as Igor Sphilband, Nikolai Morosov, etc., started to become fully realized.
Punsalan & Swallow: their racing programInteresting opinion! Any particular ice dancers / programs you're thinking of?
Aside from Blumberg and Seibert, I'm struggling to think of anything too memorable.
Interesting opinion! Any particular ice dancers / programs you're thinking of?
Aside from Blumberg and Seibert, I'm struggling to think of anything too memorable.
Ooh, thanks for giving me an opportunity to share some videos of teams I’ve enjoyed discovering.Interesting opinion! Any particular ice dancers / programs you're thinking of?
Aside from Blumberg and Seibert, I'm struggling to think of anything too memorable.
Interesting opinion! Any particular ice dancers / programs you're thinking of?
I don’t like to watch figure skating without commentary.
I guess 4 Olympics isn't enough for Evan. You have to admire the "If i can't beat the best teams around i'll just wait until they all retire" mentality.There should be a ceiling on the length of ice dancer competative careers. They don`t have the same level of injuries as the other disciplines and careers go on for ever. I think its a bummer for younger teams to rarely get to worlds or Europeans. I like them but C/B have been at it since the throw double toe.
I guess 4 Olympics isn't enough for Evan.
I agree with you on Davis/White. That said, I remember seeing D/W live once and I was surprised how much my eyes were glued on Charlie. I realized that he was actually a great ice dancer. To me, Meryl was who I thought pushed the qualities you listed to the forefront. Marina really can’t choreograph as her dance/movement vocabulary is limited. I do think she’s probably good at editing and polishing a program someone else, who can choreograph, created though. Emphasis on “probably”.New unpopular opinion. As wonderful and comprehensive as VGThuy 's post was, I realize that I greatly dislike most American ice dance.
Although they are OGM -D&W are the worst for me . To me , they had no grace, rhythm, timing or musicality. They had sloppy broken lines, flat feet, meh edge quality at times, no chemistry ,and soulless eyes with perpetual plastic grins. I recognize their difficulty and technique was at a high level but I definitely was not a fan.
Give me H&D and C&B any day.
I hate Coldplay to the point where I have cursed out their music in public (and probably scared people ) and this caused me to unfairly write off the Shibutanis . I recently rewatched their Coppelia and Blue Danube waltzes and I love Maia's use of her upper body ,her expression and carriage. I definitely think Zueva undesold them, but the talent is so much more clear to me looking back.
I can barely make it through any current skating.
Thank you for sharing that thread. It led me to this wonderful video comparing the midline no-touch step sequences where Davis/White, Ilinykh/Katsalapov, Pechelat/Bourzat, and the Shibs did the same steps.I only have one thing to add to the D/W discussion, it's these two people claiming to be trained as judges/knowing judges say they were equal/superior to V/M - and as someone who just doesn't care for V/M's skating, I'd found the notion laughable.
The tweet linked down there shows how much better Ilyinikh and Pechalat were than Davis, and of course Virtue was much better.
White was indeed good. Not close to "best technical skater" IMO, but here I will give I never thought that was Moir either anyway.
I always thought Davis and White biffed the short whatever it was called at the Olympics compared to US Nationals. (I knew/know nothing about Dance so that’s saying something). That they were in first was a gift.Thank you for sharing that thread. It led me to this wonderful video comparing the midline no-touch step sequences where Davis/White, Ilinykh/Katsalapov, Pechelat/Bourzat, and the Shibs did the same steps.
Comparing D/W’s quality with the others was very , and not in a way that is favorable to D/W.
Wow seeing them back to back you can tell.Pechalet and Ilinhk like butterIt went P/B > I/K > S/S > D/W for what's linked, to me.