U.S. Women [#7]: Make Me a Believer!

[Jammers]

Per TSL - Ava needs a 2nd surgery...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1875199388785782786

So did we ever learn what the injury was that she had surgery for? I thought i read somewhere that she was doing shows recently did she reinjure herself or did the 1st surgery not work?

 

[Karen-W]

So did we ever learn what the injury was that she had surgery for? I thought i read somewhere that she was doing shows recently did she reinjure herself or did the 1st surgery not work?

On the most recent TSL this week, DL dropped an aside that it was an Achilles injury. He didn't elaborate, just mentioned her Achilles tendon.

 

[Jammers]

On the most recent TSL this week, DL dropped an aside that it was an Achilles injury. He didn't elaborate, just mentioned her Achilles tendon.

Those injuries are hard to recover from.

 

[bladesofgorey]

That's a shame. Ava is a real talent, hopefully she'll be able to rest and come back strong again in the future, she's got youth on her side.

 

[floridaice]

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who is Kate Chopin - isn`t there a writer? I read a small book by her, I think

Yes, a writer. https://www.katechopin.org/

 

[Vagabond]

Yet another thread stolen by Kate Chopin!

 

[jägerbomb]

Ummm . . . Christmas?? - in most of the countries that compete in international FS. This is not a big-$$ professional sport - most of the people who put on the competitions (including judges) are volunteers.

I was being mostly facetious. However, I do think the ISU competition schedule could be greatly improved, but admittedly that's off topic, although probably not as off topic as whatever a Kate Chopin is.

 

[Sylvia]

For anyone interested, I posted a Starr Andrews article link in her fan thread earlier today: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...andrews-fan-thread.102874/page-3#post-6711636
An excerpt:

At 23, Andrews is a veteran competitor — this will be her eighth year in the senior division. “I’m looking forward to competing because I’ve had some good competitions this year and some not good competitions,” she said. “I have been doing things differently this season … I’ve been working on my Lutz jump as well as consistency, cardio, Pilates, working with a trainer. I’m looking forward to competing and showing what I’ve been doing because I’ve been putting the work in.”

 

[Carolla5501]

On the most recent TSL this week, DL dropped an aside that it was an Achilles injury. He didn't elaborate, just mentioned her Achilles tendon.

Which means that someone said and he doesn’t really know but she’s never been one not to spread gossip. I love the deafingly silent comment a.k.a. No one’s giving me any gossip. If she’s sick, or if she’s injured, we and Dave are not on the need to know list. We have no real role in this.

 

[Karen-W]

Which means that someone said and he doesn’t really know but she’s never been one not to spread gossip. I love the deafingly silent comment a.k.a. No one’s giving me any gossip. If she’s sick, or if she’s injured, we and Dave are not on the need to know list. We have no real role in this.

Nah, Dave usually has good info about the SCofNY skaters like Ava, Lindsay, Kirk, etc. Even the ones that train elsewhere, he's been known to drop reliable news.

He does NOT, however, have good contacts in Boston, Philly or DC and even jealous rink parents from those other areas in the Northeast steer clear of him. His network of gossipy rink parents is more robust the further out from the Acela corridor you go, lol.

 

[Willin]

Given Dave lives in New York and skates (skated?) at a few of their rinks I'd assume any info he has on their skaters is accurate unless proven otherwise. Honestly it's probably his most accurate info beyond the stuff he hears from Meagan Duhamel.

I do feel it's gross for him to share the exact nature of the injury.

 

[Wyliefan]

Might even be a HIPAA violation, come to think of it. Unless Ava gave him permission.

 

[Karen-W]

Might even be a HIPAA violation, come to think of it. Unless Ava gave him permission.

No, it wouldn't be a HIPAA violation unless Dave is an employee of one of her healthcare providers. It wouldn't even be a HIPAA violation if her coach disclosed the information.

 

[Aceon6]

@Wyliefan A lot of people misunderstand HIPAA. Even if Dave paid someone to access her medical records, the person who accessed them would be in far more trouble than Dave.

 

[jlai]

I always thought Hipaa is a strange law. Doctors cannot say anything about even an appt, but my neighbors can spread details of my medical problems throughout the neighborhood.

 

[Carolla5501]

Might even be a HIPAA violation, come to think of it. Unless Ava gave him permission.

LOL! While I think Dave is useless unless a health care worker gave it to him there's no HIPAA violation and even if there was it would have been the healthcare provider who told him not Dave.

 

[Carolla5501]

I always thought Hipaa is a strange law. Doctors cannot say anything about even an appt, but my neighbors can spread details of my medical problems throughout the neighborhood.

How do your neighbors know your medical problems. If your doctor told them file a compliant. if you told someone... well that's your fault. HIPAA can't protect us from everything

 

[Wyliefan]

Okay, I get it, no HIPAA violation. Good to know.

 

[jlai]

How do your neighbors know your medical problems. If your doctor told them file a compliant. if you told someone... well that's your fault. HIPAA can't protect us from everything

In a condo complex the whisper campaign spread news fast. Last year there was a rumor about miscarriage.

This is hypothetical, anyway. There are other scenarios where the doctors can’t say but other people can.

 

[JJH]

Gossiping about somebody's possible miscarriage is really really crass.

 

[Karen-W]

Gossiping about somebody's possible miscarriage is really really crass.

Be that as it may, and mind jlai was just providing a hypothetical example of how a whisper campaign works, I've seen & heard far worse from really petty, jealous people who are worried/concerned their standing in the social pecking order may be endangered. I once knew someone who majored in vicious whisper campaigns in order to promote her own kids.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

While neighbors gossiping about someone's medical condition is inappropriate, your neighbors have no legal responsibility to you.

 

[Carolla5501]

It’s interesting that people on here seem to think that gossiping about neighbor’s health conditions is potentially rude and that Dave’s gossip about a health condition is potentially a HIPAA violation.

How long have you all been on the board? I’ve seen more gossip skaters health conditions on here than I can believe. And there’s a very strong sense of entitlement as if we are entitled to know what the condition of a skater is so WE can judge if the skater should be allowed to go to world Olympics, etc. Kind of a double standard isn’t it? maybe not from individuals on here But as a collective group


No, we aren’t entitled to know what’s wrong with Ava or any other skater who may or may not have an injury or illness. If they choose to make the information public, that’s their decision. If they choose not to, we should respect their decision.

 

[Karen-W]

For all we know, Ava or her family gave the info to Dave & told him he could reveal that much to the public through TSL.

I know, rather doubtful, but it is a possibility.

 

[Private Citizen]

It’s natural for fans of a skater or any professional athlete to want to have an idea of the extent of the athlete’s injury. Saying someone requires surgery for an ACL injury is a bit different than saying someone had a miscarriage or has syphilis or something else irrelevant to their skating. Elite skaters are semi-public figures. If people at the rink know, I don’t see anything egregiously wrong with telling others in a matter-of-fact way, provided that there wasn’t an expressed desire to keep things secret.

I’m wishing Ziegler all the best. She’s a breath of fresh air and I will miss her at Nationals.

 

[jlai]

If I were an an athlete I would worry most about my birthdate being public information instead of pii. I always wonder about how they feel about this. It is not even like they are celebrities. Many arent

 

[Wyliefan]

It’s interesting that people on here seem to think that gossiping about neighbor’s health conditions is potentially rude and that Dave’s gossip about a health condition is potentially a HIPAA violation.

I made a mistake. I've acknowledged the mistake. Can we all move on with our lives now?

 

[Coco]

Don't feel bad @Wyliefan it inspired quite the tangent.

I will say, the delay between the GPF and Nationals seems to get longer every year.

 

[ice coverage]

For all we know, Ava or her family gave the info to Dave & told him he could reveal that much to the public through TSL.

I know, rather doubtful, but it is a possibility.

Very doubtful, IMO.
If a skater truly wanted to make the public aware of something, it would be easy for the skater to post directly on their own Instastory (or other social media) something like, "Wish I could skate at Nats, but I had to withdraw because of Reason XYZ Thanks for everyone's support"

And if a skater truly had authorized Dave to share something, he could/should say, "Skater ABC told me it's OK to pass along Reason XYZ." Does he ever allude to having a skater's permission?

 

[Sylvia]

Yesterday Tommy Steenberg shared a clip of Alexa Gasparotto practicing a section of her SP (to “This Woman’s Work” by Kate Bush that he choreographed):

Tommy Steenberg on Instagram: "Effortlessly beautiful 😍 Keep up the great work, Lexi! #usfigureskating #katebush #athlete #artist"

282 likes, 5 comments - tommysteenberg on January 11, 2025: "Effortlessly beautiful 😍 Keep up the great work, Lexi! #usfigureskating #katebush #athlete #artist".

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