Right, but for skaters in the past ten years, it seems all the chat has been prompted by Asian-American parents specifically, which made me wonder if it’s more of a comment on the broader topic of how outsiders view Asian-American parenting, a much discussed topic among Asian-American circles when we feel our parents are being misunderstood or judged through a different cultural lens. Like parents of all backgrounds, there are Asian parents who are a abusive and take old country ideas too far but in other situations it doesn’t feel as oppressive as outsiders make it sound. Like I said, when it comes to recent competing skaters, a lot of it newer skating parent talk has centered on Asian-Am skaters and not much else. When I’ve asked for specifics of skate parent behavior of those Asian-Am skaters, I usually don’t get an answer or it’s very vague to where it doesn’t seem out of the ordinary from how I or my family members or friends in the community grew up, honestly.Over the years I've either lurked or been a registered user here, I have seen a lot of discussion about the mothers of Surya Bonaly, Tonya Harding, Tara Lipinski, Brian Joubert, Gabriele Seyfert, Sasha Cohen, David Mitchell, Galit Chait, and Nicole Bobek and the fathers of Jill Trenary and Michael Weiss.
Carol Heiss' mother and both of Sonja Henie's parents were right up there too.
But if we just waited to see what happens we wouldn't have anything to talk about.Wow, let's give Alyssa a chance to prove herself in the Olympics. She's so young, there's no rush. If she wants to keep going (and I hope she does), I don't think her dad will hold her back. He's very involved but that doesn't mean he's a helicopter parent.
well it's one thing to predict what's next for Alyssa, another to judge her dad. We don't know what goes on in his head. The only skating parent I'm open to judging hard is Gabby Daleman's mom. I really believe she's the driving force that makes life difficult for Gabby.But if we just waited to see what happens we wouldn't have anything to talk about.
It's not just funding from US Figure Skating, which is nothing to sneeze at. As a US medalist, she will also get USOC funding which helps a lot. Then there is prize money from competitions, sponsorships, donations, and any endorsements. She will be well taken care of should she make the team and continue next season.Not if she can’t afford the training expenses on her own it won’t be. Funding from USFS is barely a drop in the bucket for total expenses, and who knows if she will have endorsements that will amount to paying the astronomical bills to train at the elite level.
Oh Lordy!The 'skatemom from hell' with no peer has to be the mother of Xiangyi "Nini" An. Several articles have documented the horrific abuse Nini has had to endure. Here's something I found in a quick search which gives a minor preview as to her treatment: https://www.reddit.com/r/FigureSkat...vealing_interview_with_an_xiangyis_mother_in/
Also, here is Nini skating from two years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP5qlDDmLBc. She's VERY impressive for 11 or whatever she is here. She was supposed to debut as a junior last season, so hopefully we'll see her on the JGP (Is there a China jgp? I'd assume she'll be there if not injured).
Yes I sat beside him once at a lunch counter. Never met him before. He just went on and on about how he couldn’t understand why Patrick Chen was beating his son, what the judges snd Skate can saw in Chan and how much better Kevin was than ChanKevin Reynolds' dad too.
Yes I sat beside him once at a lunch counter. Never met him before. He just went on and on about how he couldn’t understand why Patrick Chen was beating his son, what the judges snd Skate can saw in Chan and how much better Kevin was than Chan
Here is a thought. Does having a “skating parent” initially help the skater? An involved skater who does their research, seeks out opportunities for their child, proactively looks for the right resources for the child? Your list of super involved parents is also a list of successful skaters.
Is the issue that once these parents have done their job and found the right team for their kids, that it is difficult to hand over the reins to that team?
Two at the moment, but it will be three in about 12 hours after Alysa Liu secures the third spot. Providing no unforeseen problems like trying a 3axel and wiping out so badly she has to withdraw. So if something crazy happens, we only have two. And Alysa owns one of the spots regardless.Remind me again, the US ladies has two spots for Olympics? Or are they reaching for a third?
Please don't jinx her.....Two at the moment, but it will be three in about 12 hours after Alysa Liu secures the third spot. Providing no unforeseen problems like trying a 3axel and wiping out so badly she has to withdraw. So if something crazy happens, we only have two. And Alysa owns one of the spots.
Ava Ziegler, Kate Wang, and Maryn Pierce are old enough but I'm not sure which, if any, of them are competing senior nationally this year. IMO Thorngren is the only one with a realistic chance.Of all the US competitors on the JGP this season, is Lindsay the only one age eligible for 2022 senior ISU championships?
I'm assuming someone can answer this from memory. I'm not asking for research!
Alysa has been invited to the summer Sun Valley show since 2019. She was one of the three US skaters invited to virtually perform for Carnival On Ice last year. The Japanese TV sent crew to film Nathan, Mariah and Alysa at Raf’s rink. With her IMG agent, it is reasonable to expect SOI and other IMG ice shows in Japan, including JO and CaOI if she keeps her momentum.@overedge I wouldn't call it overinvolved crazy parenting or being "intensely involved" in her career for her to be influenced by the drive of her Dad. But even then I don't think that's why she skates: she has lots of friends at the rink that she plays with, chats with, and learns with. Maybe when she was younger he kept her on track, but when I've seen her he's not there. Instead she's either 100% focused on her lesson or interspersing playing with friends and training. ETA: Did find an article where he said he kept a notebook and made her do everything 5 times in practice when she was younger. That's not a red flag - that's a common coaching tactic just about all the coaches in my area use. The kids keep the journal when they're older but the parents do it when they're young.
Didn't realize he was part of the pro-Democracy movement that lead to Tienanmen square, got himself on a Chinese government most wanted list, and came here as a refugee as a result - so he probably can't attend the Olympics if she qualifies.
I would add the sponsors/freebies I know she has: Toyota, boots/blades, club funding (varies by year, but usually $5000+), competition travel costs covered, and USFS funding (Envelope A in synchro is $20000 last I heard 5+ years ago, not sure for singles). Sponsors/freebies I'm not sure about but likely: Sharks Ice is using her in their ads, so they may be giving her compensation for that; I thought I heard the strength/conditioning place she goes to helps her out. So while skating is very expensive, I'm sure she's getting more help than most.