U.S. Supreme Court & judicial system

[MacMadame]

With a lot of public transportation shut down, many people are using bicycles for transportation (and many did so even before the *********) so of course, bike repair shops are essential. As are auto repair shops.

People can be so dumb.

 

[caseyedwards]

I don't sit in a liquor store, I don't sit for a "little while" in a liquor store, I don't shake anyone's hand in a liquor store, other than the labels I don't read in a liquor store, I don't sing, I don't listen to a sermon and I don't pray in a liquor store and who said anything about a party?

But who says the shaking hands has to be done without gloves-if it’s not changed to elbow bumps anyway. The singing without masks?

Fact is that no outbreak has been centered around any kind of mass anyway

 

[DORISPULASKI]

The suit does not affect only Catholic churches. It was also brought by Jewish communities, and would surely also affect evangelical megachurches.

In New Rochelle, where NY's outbreak began, my parents' community yearns for normal - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

A member of the Young Israel of New Rochelle, the first synagogue to be shuttered in America due to the ********, has been going house to house to photograph families in isolation. The trauma is visible in his portraits.

www.jta.org

The outbreak in New York began in a New Rochelle synagogue.

https://tinyurl.com/yyzah9yx
A recent outbreak in New Haven was traced to a Hispanic evangelical church.

Here's outbreaks traced to all sorts of churches
https://tinyurl.com/yye9xc6e

https://tinyurl.com/y6pbeo62
Here are 2 Catholic churches in NY with outbreaks.

 

[Susan1]

The suit does not affect only Catholic churches. It was also brought by Jewish communities, and would surely also affect evangelical megachurches.

In New Rochelle, where NY's outbreak began, my parents' community yearns for normal - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

A member of the Young Israel of New Rochelle, the first synagogue to be shuttered in America due to the ********, has been going house to house to photograph families in isolation. The trauma is visible in his portraits.

www.jta.org

The outbreak in New York began in a New Rochelle synagogue.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw0hOfBm9oKrujhwytzcEIhF

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A recent outbreak in New Haven was traced to. Hispanic evangelical church.

Here's an outbreaks traced to all sorts of churches
https://tinyurl.com/yye9xc6e

April - Monroe mayor asks Solid Rock Church to stop holding in-person services

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1ZfDQRDrbQ

August -

Solid Rock pastor’s husband fought COVID-19: ‘We have been in the storm of our life'

After testing positive for the ******** and not eating for two weeks, the husband of Darlene Bishop Driscoll, pastor of Solid Rock Church, has recovered and plans to attend church tonight she told the congregation Sunday morning.

tinyurl.com

Today -

Coronavirus: Solid Rock Church holding services despite social distance warnings

Some congregations throughout Ohio are stirring controversy by continuing in-person services despite Gov. Mike DeWine's order banning such large gatherings.

tinyurl.com

 

[allezfred]

But who says the shaking hands has to be done without gloves-if it’s not changed to elbow bumps anyway. The singing without masks?

Fact is that no outbreak has been centered around any kind of mass anyway

Churches Were Eager to Reopen. Now They Are Confronting Coronavirus Cases.

The ***** has infiltrated Sunday services, church meetings and youth camps. More than 650 cases have been linked to religious facilities during the *********.

tinyurl.com

 

[ilovepaydays]

Would Louis' proposal to leave it up to the states even work? Up until now, I always wondered how the Supreme Court can say it's unconstitutional while saying it's up to the state's. But if it's constitutional, how can any state be allowed to refuse to marry a same-sex couple? That sounds like discrimination. And doesn't a marriage need to be recognized by every state anyway? If I get married in New York and get a job offer in Iowa, don't I have to have the guarantee that my marriage is recognized there as well as I'd otherwise be at a severe disadvantage and would be discriminated against?

I believe that the biggest issue with leaving this up to the states was the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) that was passed in 1996. I’m pretty sure that under DOMA, a state had a right to not recognize a same-sex marriage from another state. It also meant that according to the federal government, same-sex marriages wouldn’t be recognized. DOMA affected those couples when it came to things like filing tax returns and qualifying for any benefits or programs as a legal spouse.

 

[ballettmaus]

But who says the shaking hands has to be done without gloves-if it’s not changed to elbow bumps anyway. The singing without masks?

Fact is that no outbreak has been centered around any kind of mass anyway

No, fact is, that you don't sing or shake hands with everyone in liquor stores. (That said, masks reduce the spread. They don't prevent it entirely).

 

[MsZem]

In New Rochelle, where NY's outbreak began, my parents' community yearns for normal - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

A member of the Young Israel of New Rochelle, the first synagogue to be shuttered in America due to the ********, has been going house to house to photograph families in isolation. The trauma is visible in his portraits.

www.jta.org

The outbreak in New York began in a New Rochelle synagogue.

That's misleading. New Rochelle was the first major outbreak in New York, but I don't think they can trace everything that happened in New York to that. There were people coming back from Europe and some were infected, leading to community spread that eventually impacted New Rochelle and other places.

 

[ballettmaus]

In today's Census hearing, the Justices wondered if Trump has the power to remove undocumented immigrants from the Census and also, if the case should be decided now. (I'm guessing, they're hoping they won't have to in the end?) https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...188f4a-3330-11eb-8d38-6aea1adb3839_story.html

Some Supreme Court justices on Monday seemed skeptical of President Trump’s claim he has the authority to exclude all undocumented immigrants from population totals when deciding congressional reapportionment. But they also wondered whether a definitive answer is needed now.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. was among those wondering if the court should wait to see whether the Census Bureau can even produce useful numbers about the undocumented population, or if they would make a difference when deciding the size of each state’s congressional delegation.

 

[Dobre]

Supreme Court deals blow to controversial Louisiana pastor over coronavirus restrictions

Tony Spell, the megachurch pastor who continued to hold large services in spite of *********-19 orders effected last spring, argued that places of worship should have full control over decisions about assembly in a since-dismissed legal petition.

tinyurl.com

 

[Dobre]

********* Outbreak at North Carolina Church Linked to 12 Deaths and More Than 200 Cases​

COVID Outbreak at North Carolina Church Linked to 12 Deaths and More Than 200 Cases

Most of the cases are in people who did not visit the church, said Mecklenburg County’s health director

tinyurl.com

 

[MsZem]

I feel like there are enough places to discuss CoV19. It's well-established at this point that places of worship can have massive outbreaks, and we've known that since the first South Korean superspreading event. Unless it's directly related to court cases, it doesn't seem relevant to this thread.

 

[Dobre]

Well, the Supreme Court overruled state policy on this topic so I guess monitoring how that impacts the number of people who live through this ********* is worth monitoring. IMHO. When the Supreme Court makes a call, that impacts the tools all states can use in the future.

 

[MsZem]

Well, the Supreme Court overruled state policy on this topic so I guess monitoring how that impacts the number of people who live through this ********* is worth monitoring. IMHO. When the Supreme Court makes a call, that impacts the tools all states can use in the future.

As I wrote, it's well-established that CoV19 can spread though places of worship. SCOTUS did not decide the case based on the argument that CoV19 does not affect churches. Anything SCOTUS does affects people through the US; that's the whole point.

Given that FSU has an entire section devoted to CoV19, I see no reason to track every new church outbreak in the US here in the SCOTUS/legal thread. But if there are interesting new legal news related to CoV19, that's certainly relevant (e.g. Alito dismissing the case that pastor in Louisiana).

 

[MacMadame]

OTOH, I think this is entirely relevant to this thread and have no issue discussing how their bone-headed decision is impacting people.

 

[VGThuy]

There's a brilliant play available to stream on Amazon Prime called What the Constitution Means to Me. I highly recommend it. I was going to post this in the TV/Steaming threads, but I think it's relevant for the Supreme Court thread as well.

 

[caseyedwards]

********* Outbreak at North Carolina Church Linked to 12 Deaths and More Than 200 Cases​

COVID Outbreak at North Carolina Church Linked to 12 Deaths and More Than 200 Cases

Most of the cases are in people who did not visit the church, said Mecklenburg County’s health director

tinyurl.com

People magazine. Lol.

 

[Dobre]

Federal judge orders restoration of DACA program​

Federal judge orders restoration of DACA program

A federal judge on Friday ordered the Trump administration to fully restore an Obama-era initiative that protects undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S....

www.youtube.com

The judge says that DACA needs to be returned to its original guidelines as Wolf was not legally appointed the head of Homeland Security when he added restrictions.

 

[ballettmaus]

Federal judge orders restoration of DACA program​

Federal judge orders restoration of DACA program

A federal judge on Friday ordered the Trump administration to fully restore an Obama-era initiative that protects undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S....

www.youtube.com

The judge says that DACA needs to be returned to its original guidelines as Wolf was not legally appointed the head of Homeland Security when he added restrictions.

The question is, are they going to care this time?

 

[Dobre]

The question is, are they going to care this time?

Inauguration 2021

Countdown to Jan 20, 2021 9:00 am. Showing days, hours, minutes and seconds ticking down to 0

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[Susan1]

Inauguration 2021

Countdown to Jan 20, 2021 9:00 am. Showing days, hours, minutes and seconds ticking down to 0

www.timeanddate.com

It should say countdown till trump is no longer president.

 

[Jot the Dot Dot]

On another thread, I expressed my vehement opposition to Asset Forfeiture, where police can stop you, and if they find an 'unreasonable' amount of cash on you, they can seize it under the 'suspicion' of it being obtained by criminal means. My argument being a question of Burden Of Proof, that the police and the courts have to make a conviction in order for that to hold and, no conviction, no seizure. Someone brought up as a counter-argument that police every day hold suspects for crimes before a court case has even begun let alone settled. I had to think about this for a while, so here is my rebuttal: Police have to charge a suspect with a specific crime (murder, attempted murder, theft, assault, etc.) and, correct me if I am wrong, have to release you if their claim fails to meet certain criteria. It would have to be an exceptional case if a suspect was found with, let's say, blood all over them that was human and wasn't their own. But asset forfeiture fails to meet such rules, there are so many cases of police seizing said found money, and keep it because they know often the cost of a person taking it to court would be greater that the seized cash, and have no other recourse.

 

[MsZem]

Four unanimous opinions from SCOTUS today, including this one:

Opinion analysis: Justices allow Muslim men placed on “no fly” list to sue FBI agents for money damages - SCOTUSblog

The Supreme Court ruled unanimously on Thursday that three Muslim men who say that they were put on the “no fly” list after they refused to become FBI informants can sue the FBI agents who put them there for money damages. The decision was a significant one not only for the plaintiffs but also for c

www.scotusblog.com