U.S. Protests - There's Something Happening Here

[demetriosj]

Yes again you like to blame the victim, not the perpetrator.

The victim? Skurlock is no innocent victim. He was holding Gardner in a chokehold when he was shot. He also was shown on video throwing chairs in windows previous to the incident. After Gardner was tackled to the ground by two people, he fired 2 warning shots. Those 2 fled, then Skurlock jumped on Gardner's back and held him in a chokehold as Gardner repeatedly told him to get off. If you think Skurlock is an innocent victim, you have a couple of screws loose.

 

[Sparks]

So, so. Suck your toe all the way to Mexico. While you're there, don't forget your underwear.

Sorry, my inner 12 year old had to respond.

 

[overedge]

protecting your own property is no longer allowed under the leftist socialist regime.

What leftist socialist regime? Trump is the president. Did he suddenly change his political affiliations?

Oh and BTW

 

[demetriosj]

What leftist socialist regime?

Cases should not be decided on social media. Initially this was determined to be self defense, but the crazy, leftist socialist mob won.

 

[MacMadame]

I always find it amusing when people accuse the government and especially the police force of being leftist.

Or act like disapproval is a super power.

 

[Aussie Willy]

Cases should not be decided on social media. Initially this was determined to be self defense, but the crazy, leftist socialist mob won.

Nor should a president take their policy direction from a particular media outlet. Although I daresay in future it will be OANN rather than Fox News.

 

[once_upon]

The victim? Skurlock is no innocent victim. He was holding Gardner in a chokehold when he was shot. He also was shown on video throwing chairs in windows previous to the incident. After Gardner was tackled to the ground by two people, he fired 2 warning shots. Those 2 fled, then Skurlock jumped on Gardner's back and held him in a chokehold as Gardner repeatedly told him to get off. If you think Skurlock is an innocent victim, you have a couple of screws loose.

Do you have access to the Grand Jury data? Because as far as i know, that was not released

The Special Prosecutor said at the beginning of the Grand Jury, he thought they had seen most of the evidence. Then the OPD turned over many other videos they received, reviewed Gardner's cell and social media data.

The Special Prosecutor was surprised about the amount of additional data. Much of the charges were a result Gardner's own words.

Also keep in mind Gardner had an expired Conceal and Carry permit. It was not the first time he "allowed" the permit to expire. Nor was it the first episode of threats.

You do not know what evidence the Grand Jury had, as it had been held for trial to provide a fair trial jury.

Do you live in Omaha? Did you listen to the hour long press conference?

 

[demetriosj]

Do you have access to the Grand Jury data? Because as far as i know, that was not released

The Special Prosecutor said at the beginning of the Grand Jury, he thought they had seen most of the evidence. Then the OPD turned over many other videos they received, reviewed Gardner's cell and social media data.

The Special Prosecutor was surprised about the amount of additional data. Much of the charges were a result Gardner's own words.

Also keep in mind Gardner had an expired Conceal and Carry permit. It was not the first time he "allowed" the permit to expire. Nor was it the first episode of threats.

You do not know what evidence the Grand Jury had, as it had been held for trial to provide a fair trial jury.

Do you live in Omaha? Did you listen to the hour long press conference?

So you are contending that Skurlock was an innocent victim?

 

[Aussie Willy]

So you are contending that Skurlock was an innocent victim?

Why don't you address the points regarding evidence raised instead of again trying to demonise the person who got killed because according to you they are leftist scum. You might actually then get some credibility for your posts.

As for once-upon's post, I had read something to that effect as well.

 

[once_upon]

So you are contending that Skurlock was an innocent victim?

I'm saying we DON'T know. And with Gardner's suicide we won't see the evidence.

But you be you

 

[overedge]

Cases should not be decided on social media. Initially this was determined to be self defense, but the crazy, leftist socialist mob won.

Maybe look up the definition of "regime" before you throw the big words around. You know, the word you used.

 

[demetriosj]

Maybe look up the definition of "regime" before you throw the big words around. You know, the word you used.

OK professor......

 

[Toshi_Berra]

Chicago Sees Its Most Violent Month In 28 Years As Murders, Shootings Skyrocket

Two dozen children under 10 years old have been shot in Chicago this year.

blockclubchicago.org

You know what I've realized? Black lives only matter to white liberals when their murder fuels their hatred of police.

I commend people on here for knowing Breonna Taylor's name....but there is obviously a reason why NONE of you ever knew Dajore Wilson ever existed. Or Amaria Jones? Shall I continue?

How long will you guys pretend everything is fine? How long will you continue to "celebrate" when local Democrats win again in Chicago? Is there ever a need to hold Chicago's leadership accountable and protest? What about your big media outlets who NEVER BOTHER reporting these stories? Is it "fine"?

 

[jenny12]

OK professor......

I think having overedge as your professor would do you a lot of good.

 

[once_upon]

How long will you guys pretend everything is fine? How long will you continue to "celebrate" when local Democrats win again in Chicago? Is there ever a need to hold Chicago's leadership accountable and protest? What about your big media outlets who NEVER BOTHER reporting these stories? Is it "fine"?

You know what? You fcuking win.
Congratulations.

 

[demetriosj]

I think having overedge as your professor would do you a lot of good.

That's not surprising.

 

[Aussie Willy]

That's not surprising.

Haha you are just not making sense now. Been taking the same drugs that Trump takes have you?

 

[Artistic Skaters]

Revealed: pro-Trump activists plotted violence ahead of Portland rallies

Patriots Coalition members suggested political assassinations and said ‘laws will be broken, people will get hurt’, leaked chats show

www.theguardian.com

Leaked chat logs show Portland-area pro-Trump activists planning and training for violence, sourcing arms and ammunition and even suggesting political assassinations ahead of a series of contentious rallies in the Oregon city, including one scheduled for this weekend.

An interesting quote, suggesting illegal actions to fight the "lawlessness downtown":

He advised other members to ignore weapons statutes, writing, “I saw someone say bats, mace, and stun guns are illegal downtown. If you’re going to play by the books tomorrow night, we already lost. We are here to make a change, laws will be broken, people will get hurt… It’s lawlessness downtown, and people need to be prepared for bad things.”

Can people still really not agree initiating this type of violence is unacceptable at the protests, no matter what group is doing it?

ETA: The Louisville paper is now reporting two police officers have been shot at the protests:

LMPD: 2 officers shot in downtown Louisville protest Wednesday night

Two Louisville police officers were shot during downtown protests over Breonna Taylor, the department confirmed.

www.courier-journal.com

 

[VGThuy]

I think it's saying a lot when the topic of US Protests against systemic and state-sanctioned and constant targeted violence against brown/black folks that was an evolution of racism of this country is often derailed or certain actors try to derail this topic with violence among densely-populated areas that have been historically racially segregated, ignored, and underfunded. Concentration of poverty will always have a problem of violence so long as we have the same relaxed gun laws that allow guns to infiltrate areas that have strict gun laws with higher population density that are easily prone to fall into criminal industries due to policies that aren't doing enough to truly help people rise out of poverty. Add in how easy it is for criminal markets to infiltrate areas and provide an economic opportunity that some individuals may not get otherwise, and give them a reason to have no respect for legal systems that haven't served them well and...

What I don't think is helpful is using the problems of racism, poverty concentration, black market gun culture, easier access to guns, lack of resources and funding, etc. as a weapon against many responding to a related but wholly different issue of systemic and racist targeting of black/brown folks by state-sponsored agencies and actors. That's just pivoting and distraction, and something so many learned to do in the past few years thinking it's clever. They even bring up names of victims, which is great that they're shedding light on them, but those names have only been spread by certain circles who would otherwise not care if not for the protests happening right now, and they pretend to care when they're only using their names as ammo against fighting against racism in other ways, which is pretty despicable.

Now, if you're just angry the "mainstream media" are only paying attention to issues of law enforcement and other agencies targeting blacks and other races in a disproportionate way and treating those cases in an unjust manner but not other issues, all I have to say is this is not a new problem. It only became the problem du jour when the audience was ready to hear it. Much like rape and sexual assault. The reason why audiences became ready to hear it is because of decades of pushing the issue and having younger people who are less afraid to make it forefront issues. It wasn't weaponized to take away attention from another valid issue, which is what you guys are using the victims of other kinds of shooting are doing. The way you guys are using these victims sounds like you just want to "own the libs", so when you do it that way, people question your motives and credibility, and then sadly they stop listening to whatever actual point you have regarding the violence being out-of-control in areas. Of course, if we do take it seriously and talk about gun culture, I suspect we'll get a disturbing response about waving a gun around much like I received years ago.

The funny thing is that I do agree that the Dem establishment (which is why I identify more with the far left) hasn't done nearly enough to combat it, but there's only so much local governments can do when the whole country is set up against making radical changes to actually shake things up. Not to mention, the alternative major party has like no policies to address the source problem and even ignores that racism exists. Furthermore, how can they erase a whole history of both racism and classism where people often want to ignore the poor/working class, look at them with disdain, treat them as potential revolutionaries (yes that's a thing), and blame them for their own problems.

That's basically all I have to say with the way this thread has gone.

 

[MacMadame]

t wasn't weaponized to take away attention from another valid issue, which is what you guys are using the victims of other kinds of shooting are doing.

So much this.

It drives me crazy when you bring something up and the response is "but what about this?!" and if you don't talk about "this" which oftentimes isn't even remotely comparable then that means your opinions on the original subject can't possibly be valid. It's so much

 

[MacMadame]

FL decides to "crackdown" on protests that they don't have:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/30/florida-ron-desantis-protest-law-********

 

[Susan1]

Internal document shows Trump officials were told to make comments sympathetic to Kyle Rittenhouse

In prepping DHS officials for questions about Rittenhouse, the document suggests they say he took a gun to Kenosha "to help defend small business owners."

news.yahoo.com

 

[Artistic Skaters]

demetriosj was asking who other than BLM protestors were breaking windows, initiating violence defacing and damaging property. Here's an example of all of the above. This did not take place at downtown protests but it was all done because of a BLM sign in a neighborhood window.

White man seeks forgiveness in attack on Black family's home

A white man accused of firing shots into the home of a Black suburban Detroit family who put a Black Lives Matter sign in their front window is asking for forgiveness

abcnews.go.com

On Sept. 7, shots were fired at the Halls' home in Warren. Two days later, someone painted a swastika on one of their vehicles, slashed the tires and threw a large stone through their front window. Outside, they discovered the swastika and found that someone had written “terrorist Black Lives Matter,” “not welcome” and a phrase containing an expletive on their pickup truck.

The following day, someone fired a bullet through the Halls’ front window and police found six shell casings outside the house.

 

[DORISPULASKI]

Violence can happen anywhere. Even in Fairfield County, CT.

‘I’ll come back and kill you': Pro-Trump Westport man arrested for threatening volunteer at Fairfield Democratic headquarters; Republicans and Democrats call for civility

Pro-Trump Westport man arrested for threatening volunteer at Fairfield Democratic Town Committee headquarters.

www.courant.com

 

[FiveRinger]

Breonna Taylor grand jury audio recordings released to the public

Officer testified that police knocked 'six or seven' times before Breonna Taylor was fatally shot

The highly anticipated audio recordings of the secret grand jury proceedings in the Breonna Taylor case were submitted to a Kentucky court and made public Friday following a two-day delay.

www.cnn.com

 

[Sparks]

Watch this and try to say this is not violent. This is a horrific attack on a peaceful protester.

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1312486807670386688

 

[MacMadame]

wrong thread

 

[MacMadame]

Some interesting articles from the Guardian about protests and white supremacy from a trans lens:

The data scientist exposing US white supremacists: 'This is how you fight Nazis'

After surviving far right violence in Charlottesville, Emily Gorcenski has tracked the Proud Boys and other extremist groups

www.theguardian.com

'Our love is radical': why trans activists lead the way in protest movements

Though their legacies have often been erased, trans Americans have been central to the country’s battles for justice, from racial equality to anti-fascism

www.theguardian.com

 

[Susan1]

Not sure where to put this one -

Twitter users flood #ProudBoys hashtag with gay pride images

Twitter users are flooding the #ProudBoys hashtag on social media with images of LGBTQI+ pride, displacing posts made by neo-Nazis and white supremacists using the tag. Proud Boys, a far-right group founded in 2016, calls itself a "western chauvinist" organization but is considered a hate

www.yahoo.com

 

[demetriosj]

demetriosj was asking who other than BLM protestors were breaking windows, initiating violence defacing and damaging property. Here's an example of all of the above. This did not take place at downtown protests but it was all done because of a BLM sign in a neighborhood window.

White man seeks forgiveness in attack on Black family's home

A white man accused of firing shots into the home of a Black suburban Detroit family who put a Black Lives Matter sign in their front window is asking for forgiveness

abcnews.go.com

That's terrible, but it's one crazy dude. Not an organized, leftist, hate group like BLM and it's Marxist "protesters".