U.S. Pairs 2020-21 season - News & Updates, Part XI

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sk8nlizard

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Isn't she of Filipino descent?
Though do they really need to switch countries? They have pretty strong results in a powerhouse country (not necessarily for pairs but overall). Switching to a small country would most likely mean less funding and political clout. It seems odd especially when they have/had a decent chance of making the US Olympic team.
 

saturdaysun

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Pairs continue to bring the intrigue this offseason. Has anyone clarified what the heck "international ban" means? Is that just speculation or are there actual rumors?
 

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There are loads of rumours, some of which make me feel sick. The rumours themselves that is, because some of them are really vicious, and I don't think Jessica and Brian deserve that kind of treatment. They are working hard (see instagram posts), showing a lot of promise and who knows what the problems are: switching countries, improving jumps, injuries, illnesses, family or mental problems, whatever. It could be anything, and I think it would be fair to them to await announcements. No good to our curiosity, excellent to our patience.
 

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@Lacey, thank you for sharing but I think you meant to post the above somewhere else? :)

ETA: Don't worry about it; these mistakes happen to all of us! :)
 
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Wyliefan

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So sorry, middle of the night, everyone was talking about their own skating experiences somewhere, can you delete the quote of mine, I look so stupid, probably am?
It's okay, we've all been there! :)
 

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Don't you have to be from a country to claim the country? They were both born in the US.
No. There are many countries that allow skaters to claim a country if a parent or other relative is from that country. I remember going to a JGP event up in Lake Placid during which I discovered that 17 of the ladies' skaters were American but claimed countries other than the US.
 

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For those who don't know:


If you don't want to read the whole thing: the ISU requires skaters to sit out one year from their last international comp representing their old federation. Which for C/J was SkAm last Oct.
Yes, which means they wouldn't be eligible for Nebelhorn. So a country switch theory seems just as bizarre as some other theories being floated.
 

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For those who don't know:


If you don't want to read the whole thing: the ISU requires skaters to sit out one year from their last international comp representing their old federation. Which for C/J was SkAm last Oct.
Maybe 2020 Skate America and the rest of the GP competitions aren't considered internationals by the ISU due to restrictions on which skaters could participate. Wasn't there a lot of conversation about the skaters not being able to improve their world standing? I remember Calalang/Johnson were 4th at 4CC in February 2020 so that might be their last real international.
 

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If that were true, it would be part of the rules.
But the competition also did not meet the ISU requirements for SB and WS, which is why K/F had to submit TES videos, and there was only 1 non-US team at the event, so it might not be considered an international event by the ISU.

If a country switch is in the offing then we will know by 4CCs, possibly sooner if we see them pop up at some of the late Challenger Series events in Nov/Dec.
 

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But the competition also did not meet the ISU requirements for SB and WS, which is why K/F had to submit TES videos, and there was only 1 non-US team at the event, so it might not be considered an international event by the ISU.

If a country switch is in the offing then we will know by 4CCs, possibly sooner if we see them pop up at some of the late Challenger Series events in Nov/Dec.
I believe it was also decided (in part) they also could not be deemed as internationals because all of the judges/officials came from the host nation, amongst other things already mentioned.
 

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I believe it was also decided (in part) they also could not be deemed as internationals because all of the judges/officials came from the host nation, amongst other things already mentioned.
I'll say this much, if C/J are in the midst of a country switch, that's going to throw a considerable wrench in the hopes of some of those lower ranked teams at nabbing one of those precious few Olympics pairs spots at Nebelhorn.
 

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Neudecker and his new partner have moved from Dalilah to Drew Meekins.

From his IG post (that also shows clips of their 3twist):
Hey everyone, lots of good news to share. Sasha and I recently started working with Drew Meekins at World Arena. We just competed at Broadmoor and had an awesome first competition in which Sasha completed her Senior Pairs Test. Looking forward to a bright future!
 

saturdaysun

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well even TSL has no idea what's going on with Calalang/Johnson, but they said it's probably not something huge because then everyone definitely would be talking about it.

I also read elsewhere that a doping ban doesn't seem likely since that would have been announced months ago, like when they first withdrew from Worlds. So it seems to me like some sort of other disciplinary action that they're appealing, hence the timing of the training video. I know some people think country switch, but that just makes no sense to me. Who knows.
 

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But the competition also did not meet the ISU requirements for SB and WS, which is why K/F had to submit TES videos, and there was only 1 non-US team at the event, so it might not be considered an international event by the ISU.
To be considered an international competition, it doesn't need to meet ISU requirements for SB or WS: you need at least two competitors from different members (Rule 107.4 in the General Regs), and it doesn't matter if they don't skate/finish but WD past a certain time; could be explicit somewhere else, although maybe that's implied by the bullet point "a" about at least one other member's skater being invited. (I don't know about disqualification.).

The judges, tech panel, and officials are another story: there's Rule 121 (General Regs) for qualifications and Rule 420 in the Special Regs that states that no ISU Member can have the majority of judges (minimum of five) and Tech Controller and Tech Specialists can't be from the same member to count towards championship qualification (TES Minimums) or WS.
 

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Can Calalang/Johnson compete at Nebelhorn for the Phillipines? I forgot what was ISU's rules on changing countries. Nebelhorn is in September, so they need ISU to grant them the country change soon.
 

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Can Calalang/Johnson compete at Nebelhorn for the Phillipines? I forgot what was ISU's rules on changing countries. Nebelhorn is in September, so they need ISU to grant them the country change soon.
If they are switching countries (which is unknown), they would need to sit out a year from their last international competition. There is some question whether or not Skate America last October qualified as an international competition - on the surface since there were competitors from 2 countries it does, however the judges and tech panel were all from the US, so who knows how the ISU views the event. If SA doesn't count then they could compete at Nebelhorn, but if it does, then no - they'll be just about 3 weeks shy of the 1 year waiting period.

But, as several others have pointed out, a country switch doesn't seem all that logical when they have a really decent chance of making the US team.
 

kwanfan1818

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The ISU does not grant permission to change countries, unless by decision of the ISU Council, an exception which they've never granted. The country the skater represented last has to release the skater/team, and they have to wait a year from their last international competition.

Without the ISU publishing an exception, the judging and tech panel compositions at SA 2020 didn't meet the requirements for international competitions, so the wait-out year shouldn't begin with SA 2020.

To compete for the Philippines in the OWG, they'd likely need an IOC exception, because they competed for the US in an ISU Championship too recently, if 4C's is considered a qualifying championship, plus passports for both of them.
 

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Detail work from Ashley and Timothy, it’s quite nice I have to say. So they’re keeping last year‘s program but giving the choreography a jishhhh?!?!

 
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