U.S. Ice Dance 2022-23 news & updates

layman

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I think you've gotta give the Browns time. Take a look at Lajoie/Lagha, they were among the very best junior teams, but still had to pay their dues at the senior level. I also think senior judges appreciate more mature themes and as they get older, these will be easier to convincingly skate. Fixing the levels and continuing to work on polish and expression are what the Browns can do now as they build up their body of work.
One of the things that I really like about the Browns is the way they think outside the box with their music choices. I find their choices fresh and interesting. I would hate for them to have to lose their contemporary/innovative approach to music in order to win approval from the (conservative) judges.

I think I will implode if I have to watch yet another (dance) team forced to skate to Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto No. 2 (plus, it's not even dance music).
 

dancefan17

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The Browns have a lot of talent. The precision of the Shibs and the attack of D/W takes many, many years of competition and experience. I am excited about their future, but taking this year to really work on the precision of levels is probably a good strategy. Would expect to see a lot of improvement by Nationals.
 

layman

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Congratulations to Pate and Bye for their Silver Medal at the Nepela Memorial Trophy 2022. I really enjoyed both their dances.

I loved the speed they showed in their Short Dance and I loved the way they interpreted the samba rhythm. I liked the way they used the authentic samba rolls in the choreography. They seemed to really understand the music and used it very effectively in the choreography. I loved the perfection of their line and extension.

I must admit that I was not excited when I heard that they had chosen Riverdance for their free. It's such a skating chestnut. Yet, Pate and Bye won me over with the way they used the music, with the freshness and innovation in their choreography. I was really impressed that they could take such familiar music and make it their own. They skated the free with an enthusiasm that was genuine and infectious. I loved the dance!
 

jlai

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I think you've gotta give the Browns time. Take a look at Lajoie/Lagha, they were among the very best junior teams, but still had to pay their dues at the senior level. I also think senior judges appreciate more mature themes and as they get older, these will be easier to convincingly skate. Fixing the levels and continuing to work on polish and expression are what the Browns can do now as they build up their body of work.
L/L debuted with much higher scores though, as did other first year seniors in the past.

That said let’s see if they can get their levels up
 

~tapdancer~

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Congratulations to Pate and Bye for their Silver Medal at the Nepela Memorial Trophy 2022. I really enjoyed both their dances.

I loved the speed they showed in their Short Dance and I loved the way they interpreted the samba rhythm. I liked the way they used the authentic samba rolls in the choreography. They seemed to really understand the music and used it very effectively in the choreography. I loved the perfection of their line and extension.

I must admit that I was not excited when I heard that they had chosen Riverdance for their free. It's such a skating chestnut. Yet, Pate and Bye won me over with the way they used the music, with the freshness and innovation in their choreography. I was really impressed that they could take such familiar music and make it their own. They skated the free with an enthusiasm that was genuine and infectious. I loved the dance!
Totally agree! They have something special and I believe their star is rising. Love both their programs, lots of nice content in both. And yes, they have made Riverdance their own. I was all in for them with Hunger Games and they just keep getting better. And they are proving it with the medal count rising. Love them!
 

azcalder

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The Browns also have a great ability to listen to and dance to the beat of their music that's difficult to teach.

Some teams can fake it but with the Browns, it just looks completely natural.
In their own words from an article I wrote for ice-dance.com back in March 2021. "
The Brown siblings have another positive going for them as they aim to accomplish more feats on the ice.

They come from a very musical family. Gage has played the electric bass for about nine years. He sings and plays in a band he started with his two older brothers. He also plays the bagpipes and has participated in several Irish marching bands with Oona, who is a snare drummer.

“Music has definitely helped us with our rhythm-perception and timing” Oona said. “We have found these abilities are crucial, especially in our discipline. These skills are hard to teach so the fact we were always surrounded by music has definitely given us a boost that we are grateful for.”
 

Lara111

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The Browns looked disappointed in their scores at the Nepela Memorial Trophy (their senior debut). They came in 5th. I was disappointed for them. To me they seem to combine the precision of the Shibutanis with the speed and attack of Davis and White. What do they need to do to get higher scores?

I hate to be pessimistic but dance is so political. Do they need a bigger name coach? The top two teams at the Nepela Memorial had big name coaches (Haguenauer, Dubreil & Lauzon for the winners and Igor Schilband for the silver medalists).
Oh, they have no lines or extensions.
 

angi

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The Browns looked disappointed in their scores at the Nepela Memorial Trophy (their senior debut). They came in 5th. I was disappointed for them. To me they seem to combine the precision of the Shibutanis with the speed and attack of Davis and White. What do they need to do to get higher scores?

I hate to be pessimistic but dance is so political. Do they need a bigger name coach? The top two teams at the Nepela Memorial had big name coaches (Haguenauer, Dubreil & Lauzon for the winners and Igor Schilband for the silver medalists).
I don't think it's fair to blame politics for how the Browns scored at Nepela. First, teams from much smaller federations outscored them. Second, they had noticeable bobbles with a big one during the twizzles and their levels were really bad (mostly level 1 with the occasional level 2). And third, they themselves admitted they are still adjusting to the length and requirements of senior programs and have stamina issues.
I love them and I think they are good with a lot of room for growth. That being said, I personally feel like they would have benefited a lot from dominating the junior field for an additional season, I don't think their move to seniors this year is really needed (or smart).
 

Frau Muller

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Congratulations to Pate and Bye for their Silver Medal at the Nepela Memorial Trophy 2022. I really enjoyed both their dances.

I loved the speed they showed in their Short Dance and I loved the way they interpreted the samba rhythm. I liked the way they used the authentic samba rolls in the choreography. They seemed to really understand the music and used it very effectively in the choreography. I loved the perfection of their line and extension.

I must admit that I was not excited when I heard that they had chosen Riverdance for their free. It's such a skating chestnut. Yet, Pate and Bye won me over with the way they used the music, with the freshness and innovation in their choreography. I was really impressed that they could take such familiar music and make it their own. They skated the free with an enthusiasm that was genuine and infectious. I loved the dance!
Having just rewatched all of the RDs from the past three weekend’s events, I’ve enjoyed Pate/Bye’s Baianas program the best of all RDs. Their Riverdance free has yet to win me over, although the last minute is great fun. Sorry that I can’t get Bourne/Kraatz out of mind…neater and sharper to me but maybe it’s not fair to compare.
 

Wyliefan

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I love the Browns, but it's not a given that they would have kept dominating. Mrazkova/Mrazek and Bashynska/Beaumont have already surpassed the Browns' personal best (their Junior Worlds score) this season. I expect it was better to make the jump and start getting adjusted to seniors.
 

litenkyckling

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I do really like the Browns but they do have a tendency to miss footwork levels - they scraped a win on the JGP to make the final last year. I don't know what the solution was - but having US junior champs under their belt would've been good (and would have happened had they not had to miss nationals due to covid).

I wonder if they need a new coach - I don't even mean a more "political" one, it's just that I'm not sure if their coach has ever had a senior team at this level. It is such a massive step up from juniors, and part of the way to success is having a coach who knows the system. Easier said than done, I know.

In saying all of this though, if we compare La/La with C/P (a good comparison as they are contemporaries) - most would probably say that LaLa have had the most success as seniors as they've made it to Olympics, Worlds and non-Olympic year 4CC. However, this weekend was their first senior international medal. Alternatively, C/P have only made it to olympic year 4CC but have 10 senior international medals. So maybe the Browns will have a more steady move up like LaLa.

Oh and they need to get a new RD. I know they were trying to be different but this just didn't work, at all. One of my biggest takeaways of the RD at Nepela was that the Browns would be great at La/La's RD.
 
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skatfan

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I don't think it's fair to blame politics for how the Browns scored at Nepela. First, teams from much smaller federations outscored them. Second, they had noticeable bobbles with a big one during the twizzles and their levels were really bad (mostly level 1 with the occasional level 2). And third, they themselves admitted they are still adjusting to the length and requirements of senior programs and have stamina issues.
I love them and I think they are good with a lot of room for growth. That being said, I personally feel like they would have benefited a lot from dominating the junior field for an additional season, I don't think their move to seniors this year is really needed (or smart).
They looked undercooked to me. Her costumes don’t do her any favors and they seem a bit overwhelmed. Hopefully they can sort it out during the season and end strong.
 

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