The Race for the 2020 POTUS elections

MacMadame

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I was a Clinton supporter, but "asked her out" is not a good description of Jones' allegations, whether you believe them or not. She stated she was escorted by Arkansas troopers into Clinton's hotel room, where he exposed himself and propositioned her -- asked for sex, not a dinner date.
Okay, I didn't remember it like that. That's gross.

Stating Jones "lost her case" is part of the story.
I didn't say she lost her case. I said I mostly remember details from the case that she lost.

I was aware of the rest of it but I have to say that this sort of thing happens all the time -- powerful rich people paying someone to make them go away -- so I don't see the fact that they paid her as proving anything one way or another.

Deriding someone because they live in a trailer park, as another poster (not MacMadame) did, is part of the reason we have President Trump -- that sense that Democrats are elitist, and don't value those of us with lower incomes.
I can't do that. I live in a trailer park myself. ;)
 

caseyedwards

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There is a hideous trend on Twitter called Obamagate. It is pushing a meme that Obama was the puppeteer pulling the strings of the FBI back in 2016 to 'get Trump'. It is over 2 million now. Wacko RW'ers are jumping all over it like fleas on a dog. Thankfully, I'm not seeing any reference or analysis of it by the MSM. I won't hashtag it to give it any uptick.

Also, RW attacking Chuck Todd on his Bill Barr interview. The bigger supposition is the media is corrupt and out to 'get Trump'.

I find the pattern interesting. There were initial attacks against Biden - 'Creepy Joe' and Tara Reade, and the insinuation that he wasn't all there mentally. News is horrible regarding Trump's handling of the *****, there is now a blistering story of how HHS blew off a company's request to mass-produce masks for a Federal Response. So, the pro-Trump forces are counterattacking, desperately casting a wide net and going after more fish.

I wonder if the anti-Biden forces are trying a different tactic - attack others like the media as untrustworthy [realizing the only person you can rely on is Trump, Fox and the online RW machine], and going after Obama means trying to see if they can do damage to a popular figure that can help Democrats in the Fall. I think they are smart enough to know that Trump can't win on his record and Republicans here in mid-May 2020 are tied to him. There is no other way or at least the reckoning is very close.
It should be noted twitter has now banned “obamagate” from tending as fake news
 

ballettmaus

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Kushner was asked about the possibility that the election might not be held on November 3rd due to a second wave. Kushner remained non-committal. https://tinyurl.com/y776m3tm

Bennett asked during the live-streamed interview: “Is there any scenario, including a second outbreak in the fall, where the election is moved past November 3rd?”

“That’s too far in the future to tell,” Kushner replied. “Nothing that I’m aware of now…It’s not my decision to make. I’m not sure I can commit one way or the other. But right now that’s the plan.”

Now, I fully believe that it's possible that he doesn't know that the President doesn't have the power to move the election. But how many voters don't know that either? And what happens if Trump pretends he has the power by publicly considering it over and over and then says publicly he'd move the election (shortly before the election). How much would that disrupt the election and suppress voter turnout (especially if we're in the middle of a second wave)?
 

clairecloutier

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^^ Why are journalists even asking that question? It’s irresponsible. It ignores the law and plants a seed in everyone’s mind that the election might not happen. :mad:
 

nylynnr

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^^ Why are journalists even asking that question? It’s irresponsible. It ignores the law and plants a seed in everyone’s mind that the election might not happen. :mad:
You answered your own question! Much journalism these days is very different than even 10 years ago. It's all about creating a titillating narrative and headline, to drive traffic to a website.
 

Andora

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You answered your own question! Much journalism these days is very different than even 10 years ago. It's all about creating a titillating narrative and headline, to drive traffic to a website.
All this jawing about journalism being in such disrepair, and we forget we're the audience. As journalism turns itself inside out, it's us they're catering to.

Blaming bad journalism and fake news is so cheap. We're the problem too. Want better? Be better.
 

rfisher

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Kushner has already tried to back off. He's as ignorant of the Constitution as they rest of his extended family.
 

rfisher

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I wonder what, if anything, he actually learned at Harvard, where he majored in Government. :unsure:
Apparently, not much. I learned about the election requirement in high school American Government class.

Either that or he's as arrogant as his FIL and thinks they are autocrats and the US is no longer a democracy.
 

clairecloutier

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Blaming bad journalism and fake news is so cheap. We're the problem too. Want better? Be better.

I get that the news media is responding to online news consumption patterns. I'm not sure how we are supposed to try to be better news consumers online. I mean, obviously, we shouldn't click on truly stupid stories or read sensationalist news sources. Beyond that, I'm not sure what we are supposed to do.

But supporting free news media doesn't mean giving them a pass on everything, either. The news media, even traditionally prestigious news sources, have fallen prettty short at times when dealing with the Trump gov't, particularly Trump distraction schemes/propaganda. We need to do better in supporting legitimate news media, but they need to do better too with their coverage at times.
 
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caseyedwards

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If Pelosi Mcconnell and trump all agree they could change the law and move Election Day a little but while Election Day is set only by law swearing in is in constitution!! So they can’t move it that much
 

nylynnr

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All this jawing about journalism being in such disrepair, and we forget we're the audience. As journalism turns itself inside out, it's us they're catering to.

Blaming bad journalism and fake news is so cheap. We're the problem too. Want better? Be better.
Thank you for the sermonette! Y'all be best, too.
 

caseyedwards

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Biden said he would support his justice department seeking to put trump in prison and it wouldn’t be a big deal. That seems kind of impossible! Like it would be some kind of minor thing that no one in America would pay attention to!
 

ballettmaus

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PBS spoke to 74 of Biden's former staffer, 62 of them women. None say they ever were sexually harrassed/assaulted or heard that he harrassed/assaulted someone. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...-staffers-think-about-tara-reades-allegations

None of the people interviewed said that they had experienced sexual harassment, assault or misconduct by Biden. All said they never heard any rumors or allegations of Biden engaging in sexual misconduct, until the recent assault allegation made by Tara Reade. Former staffers said they believed Reade should be heard, and acknowledged that their experiences do not disprove her accusation.

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Ben Savage, who said his desk was next to Reade’s in the Biden mailroom, disputed her charge that she was forced out of her job in retaliation for a sexual harassment complaint she claims to have filed.

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But according to Savage, Reade had been mishandling a key part of her job and an essential office task — processing constituent mail, something they worked on together.

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A woman who worked with Reade, but who spoke to the NewsHour on the condition she not be named, said she remembers Reade mentioning that she was scolded for her attire and that Reade asked her if it was a legitimate complaint. That coworker and two other staffers who worked with Reade said they believe she was not appropriately dressed for work.

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Several staffers confirmed to the NewsHour that Biden regularly used the Senate gym, and that a person in Reade’s position might have been asked to bring him items, such as paperwork, or in one example given, Advil, that he needed. None of them recalled ever bringing him a gym bag.

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It is a roughly 10-minute walk that consists of one flight of stairs and one long hallway inside the Russell Building, followed by a wide tunnel through which he could walk or take an internal subway train to the Capitol.

The layout of that route and building has not changed. A recent walk through that area showed the subway tunnel contains no out-of-view areas, like an alcove. The remaining portion of the route includes multiple stairwells as well as corridors lined with offices. It is a main thoroughfare for senators and staffers.

Some former staffers told the NewsHour that if Biden did assault Reade in any of these places, it would have been a brazen attack in an area with a high risk of being seen.

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Further, two men who worked as junior staffers for Biden said the senator specifically did not want women to serve beverages, like coffee, or perform other menial tasks in his Senate office or on the committees he chaired. Men were typically asked to perform such tasks.

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But Byrne, who was then press secretary to Democratic Florida Sen. Bob Graham, and others told the NewsHour that Biden was known for his habit of touching people when interacting with them.

“We knew that about Biden,” Byrne said. “He was always massaging somebody’s shoulders. But never anything more than that. There was no vibe about him.”
 

caseyedwards

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So now more proof she was totally incompetent at her job and made stories up for revenge over being reprimanded for incompetence
 

Artistic Skaters

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New York magazine has an article by Jonathan Chait.
I'm not willing to take a stance on the specific incident she describes and will continue to read the details as they are reported. It does however look like Reade has some serious credibility issues that certainly seem to be of her own making and not from political forces going out of their way trying to discredit her.
 

clairecloutier

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Justin Amash has dropped his potential third-party run for the Presidency:


As to his reasons, WHATEVER. :mad:


Also, here's an opinion piece about why the California special election loss could be worrisome for Democrats:



I feel like Democrats have got to pull together and focus at this point.
 

caseyedwards

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Amash was totally drunk on being beloved as trump opponent!! When he also became Biden opponent all the love was gone and he trended for people calling him stupid. I don’t believe nevertrump people are prepared on how they are all going to be called horrible racist monsters post trump
 
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ilovepaydays

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MEH! If he really wanted to make a serious run, Amash should have decided to do it 8-10 months ago.
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Meanwhile, PBS just published this investigation of interviewing 74 former Biden staffers on what it was like working for him and what they thought of the Reade allegations. Interesting stuff.

I still think that picking Chris Dodd to help him pick his female VP nominee isn’t the best look given Dodd’s “sandwich” reputation.
 

Vagabond

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Apparently, Fox News has nothing more important to report, and neither do I.


Arguing that the president’s been slow to get federal relief aid to the American workers and businesses hurt by the shutdown of much of the nation’s economy the past two months to slow the [C-word followed by P-word], Biden noted, “Trump is out there tweeting again this morning. I call him President Tweety. Reopen the country, end of quote.”
Suffering succotash! Uncle Joe has a point.
 

ballettmaus

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Did Biden really say "I call him President Tweety"? That is exactly what Trump says: "I call such and such insert nickname". I thought this was a presidential race and not kindergarten.
 

Vagabond

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Did Biden really say "I call him President Tweety"? That is exactly what Trump says: "I call such and such insert nickname". I thought this was a presidential race and not kindergarten.
Well, it was on Fox News, so there's no guarantee that Biden said any such thing. :shuffle:
 

caseyedwards

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Omg biden is going to win in such an enormous landslide

Florida - Biden +5
  • Georgia - Biden +1
  • Arizona - Biden +7 (Republican Senator Martha McSally is down by 13 points)

The big thing republicans will always talk about is why they didn’t vote to remove trump when they had the chance. If republicans even exist after 2020. Very good argument that the Republican Party won’t exist and many that remain in office will have to switch to a newly formed party

But that’s getting too far ahead. No real reason to believe trump is renominated at republican convention


Anybody know what is like to support an incumbent president who doesn’t look like they’re going to win re-election? What do you do? I guess Lots of democrats in 1980 Voted for kennedy and lots of republicans voted for perot in 1992
 
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Biden hires Chávez granddaughter to help on Latino outreach

Joe Biden's presidential campaign is bringing on the granddaughter of civil rights leader César Chávez as a senior adviser to help with Latino outreach and building out its operation in the states.

Some Latino leaders have criticized the Biden campaign, saying it's not doing enough to reach out to the key demographic group.

The new adviser, Julie Chavez Rodriguez, previously worked as co-national political director on California Sen. Kamala Harris’s presidential campaign and was her California state director before that. She also served in the Obama administration, overseeing the White House’s engagement with LGBT, Latino, veteran, youth, education, labor and progressive leaders. She still works as a consultant to Harris.
 
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