The Race for the 2020 POTUS elections

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Asked if he knew about the staff complaints, he said, “I was a little bit busy running around the country trying to make the case.”
What Ballettmaus said. I was about pretty much the same thing.

As far as the content of the article, I'm not really that surprised because that is the image that I had of him. Just another privileged white man.
But he's a socialist privileged white man. Unfortunately, women who ascribe to socialism are willing to put gender issues second. One example of why feminism always remains outside the mainstream.

Bernie always reeked of male entitlement to me. And I noticed that he tended to mention women as an afterthought - i.e. "we're going to address the needs of immigrants, and the poor, and the disadvantage. . .and women".
 
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So Terry McAuliffe says he hasn't decided whether he will run for president, but he is going to be sure the Democrats limit themselves to being what they were in the 1990s. Because that was so successful.

He uses the term "dishonest populism" for anything more progressive than Bill-Clintonism. I'd say that's dishonest.

He says that the Dems should look to those who won swing district for the model for the party. This is that limited vision that says Dems only need to win centrists to win but that has proven false time and again. The Dems went that way in the 1990s and Bill Clinton won the presidency twice but never won a majority of voters and Dems lost the House in 1994. And then Al Gore couldn't muster enough votes to overcome Florida's malfunction and a dull and uninspiring Democratic Party put up little fight against Bush until 2006.

Dems can't only appeal to one segment of the voters. They have to find a way to appeal across the board and bring together a winning coalition. Obama did this in 2008 but it wasn't enough to do more than pass Obama care so its a model but not a complete one.

If the Dems follow the ideas of those who were the establishment of the party in the 1990s like McAuliffe, as soon as Reps can move on from Trump they will be in the driver's seat once again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...aa2c2be4cbd_story.html?utm_term=.a559e83cb744
 

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Martin O'Malley out of the starting gate for Beto O'Rourke. Love or hate O'Malley (or anything in between), I've been reading & watching him on television a long time now; & he's a pretty good writer & speaker who is quite adept at tapping into hope.

*** Martin O'Malley: Here's who I'd like to see run for president. (Hint: It's not me) :
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...ke-democratic-party-iowa-caucuses/2467131002/
In 2016, my long-shot presidential candidacy found its flame extinguished between a rock and an angry place in my own party. America wasn’t in the mood for new leadership. We were in a mood of anger, rage and retribution. And in this mood, Donald Trump’s candidacy rose. It was good for ratings, and good for the Russians; but, bad for America. And, we got what we got.

But now, there is a different mood in our nation. People are looking for a new leader who can bring us together. They are looking for a unifier and a healer. They are looking for a leader of principle, and they are now looking for a fearless vision.
This courage to face change — with truth about ourselves and compassion for one another — is a big part of what it means to be an American. Tapping into this innate American quality is the key to moving our country forward.
 

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Martin O'Malley out of the starting gate for Beto O'Rourke. Love or hate O'Malley (or anything in between), I've been reading & watching him on television a long time now; & he's a pretty good writer & speaker who is quite adept at tapping into hope.

*** Martin O'Malley: Here's who I'd like to see run for president. (Hint: It's not me) :
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...ke-democratic-party-iowa-caucuses/2467131002/
Good for him for speaking out in a positive way. He makes good points.

Those who want Beto are going to have to reckon with the fact that the left may push for a more ideological candidate. I think Beto has a great shot at winning and I hope he and those pushing for him can find a contructive way to deal with ideological differences within the party.
 

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Romney's WaPo op-ed prompts calls to change the RNC primary rules so that Trump won't face a challenger.
Romney could be the type of candidate to succeed with a third-party run. I'd seriously consider him, depending on who the Democratic nominee was. He'd certainly have my vote over Warren, Oprah, Michelle Obama, or Sanders, and I'd probably be inclined to vote for him over Biden. Could he run on a combined ticket with a breakaway Democrat? I like the idea of Romney running against Trump, head to head; he would seem like the real thing v. an impostor.

On paper, I still like Klobuchar for the Democrats, with Sherrod Brown second. I could get behind Beto, but I'm worried that he's not a "winner." Dems need to be a bit more ruthless in rewarding wins and stop glorifying almosts. Beto may be an exception to that, but I worry he fits the mold of other "almost" candidates more than he does the mold of Obama, which no one may be able to recreate as hard as they try. At the same time, I think anyone from a "liberal" state is going to be the kiss of death; we need to look to the Midwest.
 

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Too quick a dismissal of the "almost" candidates without doing a complete drill down regarding the gerrymandering, as well as non-voter & unregistered but eligible to vote issues will contribute to more downfall for Dems.

Mother Jones had a good article this month about progress made in TX even though Beto O'Rourke missed the win. It wouldn't hurt Midwest states (including mine) that missed opportunities & turnout out in 2016 to take a look at some of the problems as well as the gains they discussed.
 

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Honestly, I thought that a lot of what he was saying on the campaign trail was just that - campaign trail rhetoric. There wasn't anything in his background that led me to think he was doing much more than pandering to the base in a very populist manner. His style wasn't my cup of tea during the primary season but I figured he couldn't very well play to his base (which is not entirely synonymous with the religious right) by saying he didn't give a rat's behind about a person's sexual orientation or the color of their skin or their gender as long as they did the job he was paying them to do and did it well, and I really thought being a wildly successful native New Yorker (and not just a New Yorker from upstate but from NYC) that there was no way he really was as much of a low class, common boor as he's proven himself to be.

I do think, though, that it's a huge mistake for the left to continue attacking and needling him. He's proven to be remarkably thin-skinned and any criticism provokes more kneejerk reactions out of him. And, as caseyedwards observed, Trump's base really likes him fighting back.
The left is not attacking Trump. They are bringing to light his immorality, ignorance, serial-lying & overall criminality. This truth must be kept in the forefront or else Fox Network or the likes of Limbaugh & Colter will be the only "truth" out there about Trump. That is too scary to even think about.
 

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This isn't a particularly fair (to Sanders supporters) column by Jonathan Chait but it makes a point:
Why the Bernie Movement Must Crush Beto O’Rourke (New York Magazine)



I'm not a socialist but I feel some of the same concern over O'Rourke--that he is a vehicle for the Democratic Party pro-corporate establishment that will sweep people up on his charisma and seeming authenticity and be able to be all things to all people (rather like Obama who people saw as a peace candidate even while he advocated intensifying the war in Afghanistan as a candidate).

What concerns me is that O'Rourke may be a stealth candidate for the status quo even while seeming to be all about change because he is the anti-Trump.

We cannot afford a candidate who is going to mollify the corporate elite, which is what the Dem establishment is used to doing, because that means mollifying fossil fuel companies, it means talking high mindedly about the problem of climate change while watering down policy to meaninglessness in this era when only treating climate change as an immediate emergency that requires an end to the use of greenhouse gases is adequate.

I'm highly suspicious of O'Rourke and I think the "Sanderistas" are well worth listening to on this, even if I differ ideologically from them.
I live in a city where the "Sandernistas" ruled in 2016. I would not vote for The Bern for ANY reason & since he still owes the DNC $$$$$ for that campaign, it is unlikely the DNC would support any effort of his to run again on their ticket.
 

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A serious question - does anyone know if Bernie Sanders still plans to campaign on tuition free colleges and single payer health care despite the current national debt if he runs? (I'm just curious because I just saw a comment of someone complaining about college tuition and was thinking that as great as it would be, I don't think it's feasable at the moment. The debt needs to be reduced first. Desperately!)
 

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A serious question - does anyone know if Bernie Sanders still plans to campaign on tuition free colleges and single payer health care despite the current national debt if he runs? (I'm just curious because I just saw a comment of someone complaining about college tuition and was thinking that as great as it would be, I don't think it's feasable at the moment. The debt needs to be reduced first. Desperately!)
I just assume he would campaign on those things and repealing all the tax cuts passed recently. Or not so recently! Maybe even going back to 1981!
 

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A serious question - does anyone know if Bernie Sanders still plans to campaign on tuition free colleges and single payer health care despite the current national debt if he runs?
Are tuition free colleges and single payer health care even possible in the USA? I'm no expert, but given what I do know, I would say: not.
 

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Are tuition free colleges and single payer health care even possible in the USA? I'm no expert, but given what I do know, I would say: not.
If you mean could it be done legally and constitutionally, yes. I mean single payer; I don't know anything about the college tuition proposals. We have a single payer system for people 65 and over--Medicare--and everyone that age is in it whether they want to be or not.

The idea now is being called "Medicare for All" precisely because people are familiar with single payer through the Medicare program for seniors. It is supported by many of those who plan to run for the presidential nomination.

Democrats plan to hold hearings on the current Medicare for All legislation and I read that means it would get a score from the Congressional Budget Office. That would put it into reality territory where it would be necessary to really look at how it could be implemented. And it needs to be brought into the light of reality.

The first issue usually brought up about single payer is that "we could not afford it." But the only thing about single payer that would cause it to raise health care costs overall for the country over what we have now is that 30 million more people would have coverage--so what this really means is that people don't believe we can afford to provide health care for all.

The issue for people who believe we must provide health care for all is whether the massive disruption of the health care system that would be caused by shifting to a government run health insurance system is better than continuing with Obamacare to cover everyone and control costs. And of course whether it is politically feasible.

I'd be rather shocked if it is politically feasible. I also think that the disruption would be massive and a shock to a lot of people who right now think its just about shifting insurance to one government agency.

I'm all for the hearings so we can start really getting at the details since many Dems are voicing support for it.
 

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A serious question - does anyone know if Bernie Sanders still plans to campaign on tuition free colleges and single payer health care despite the current national debt if he runs? (I'm just curious because I just saw a comment of someone complaining about college tuition and was thinking that as great as it would be, I don't think it's feasable at the moment. The debt needs to be reduced first. Desperately!)
Bernie has been giving the same stump speech since the 1980's (maybe longer) His message will be no different than it was in 2016, if history is any guide.

As to Medicare for all,.I expect it would be introduced gradually, first by allowing everyone say over 55 and under 65 to buy into the system. Considering what people in those age groups are paying now, many would be thrilled to do it. A price structure should be possible that would work.
 

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If you mean could it be done legally and constitutionally, yes.
I meant in terms of society at large and people's willingness to pay for universal health care and free college tuition.

I've always had the perception that some or many Americans are averse to the idea. For example, I recall a man on the news once saying he was opposed to universal health care because "We're American. We take care of our own".

Although we Canadians are accustomed to universal health care, I don't think we will ever have free college tuition - paying for higher education is pretty much a social norm.
 

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Although we Canadians are accustomed to universal health care, I don't think we will ever have free college tuition - paying for higher education is pretty much a social norm.
But your college tuition rates are far lower than U.S. rates for private colleges.
 

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Bernie has been giving the same stump speech since the 1980's (maybe longer) His message will be no different than it was in 2016, if history is any guide.
His response to Anderson Cooper this week regarding complaints of sexism and sexual harassment within his campaign sounded like it was from the 1980's too. Among other remarks - "I was a little bit busy running around the country trying to make the case." Dismissive but said with a smile. An apology to "any woman who felt she was not treated appropriately", since apparently women's feelings still dictate harassment & not men's actions.

He probably won't get the same level of enthusiasm in 2020 as 2016 if he's going to add himself to the unevolved list on these matters.
 

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Bernie has been giving the same stump speech since the 1980's (maybe longer) His message will be no different than it was in 2016, if history is any guide.

As to Medicare for all,.I expect it would be introduced gradually, first by allowing everyone say over 55 and under 65 to buy into the system. Considering what people in those age groups are paying now, many would be thrilled to do it. A price structure should be possible that would work.
I really hope Bernie does not run again. He did enough damage in 2016.
 

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I really hope Bernie does not run again. He did enough damage in 2016.
I don't think you'll have so much luck. Someone who says he was a "little big busy" campaigning to be aware of sexual harrassment going on in his campaign doesn't strike me as very self-aware ;)
All we can hope for is that he's not going to do well in the primaries.

(On a side note - have there been any op-eds urging him not to run? Just asking since there have been a couple urging Clinton not to run and she beat him in the primary, is a few years younger, won the popular vote (and would most likely have won if this had been a regular election.))
 

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I don't think you'll have so much luck. Someone who says he was a "little big busy" campaigning to be aware of sexual harrassment going on in his campaign doesn't strike me as very self-aware ;)
All we can hope for is that he's not going to do well in the primaries.

(On a side note - have there been any op-eds urging him not to run? Just asking since there have been a couple urging Clinton not to run and she beat him in the primary, is a few years younger, won the popular vote (and would most likely have won if this had been a regular election.))
So far I have not seen any. I am hoping that he will be eliminated early in the primaries.
 

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I used to be adamantly opposed to single-payer healthcare, but after living in a country with it, I think there are ways to make it work. I continue to be adamantly opposed to the Democrats' method of funding universal healthcare, which would be (some of) the most punitive tax rates in the world on upper income earners.

In the UK, you pay 40% tax on everything over $44k USD, with no deductions, exemptions, etc. You want free healthcare? Fine. I want you to pay 40% tax on everything above essential income. I'll never support these Robin Hood programs where only the top few percent are contributing more to the system than they take. Forget about fairness, they're dangerous and unsustainable.

Anyone who preaches that people are going to get a lot more free sh*t without paying more taxes is not getting my vote.
 

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I'll never support these Robin Hood programs where only the top few percent are contributing more to the system than they take. Forget about fairness, they're dangerous and unsustainable.
Some economists would disagree with you.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/opinion/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-tax-policy-dance.html

The controversy of the moment involves AOC’s advocacy of a tax rate of 70-80 percent on very high incomes, which is obviously crazy, right? I mean, who thinks that makes sense? Only ignorant people like … um, Peter Diamond, Nobel laureate in economics and arguably the world’s leading expert on public finance (although Republicans blocked him from an appointment to the Federal Reserve Board with claims that he was unqualified. Really.) And it’s a policy nobody has every implemented, aside from … the United States, for 35 years after World War II — including the most successful period of economic growth in our history.
The full editorial is worth reading.
 

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Just some baseless political and skating speculation. Michelle posted on IG that she was working in the Midwest this past week and then visited a friend in Minnesota. Warren is in Iowa and is getting an election team and political consultants locked down. May not be related but I’m always for strong, confident women.:glamor:
 

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