The Climate Emergency

Dobre

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More ready to evacuate in Oregon as massive Bootleg Fire passes 340,000 acres​

Still growing. The good news: now about 25% contained. The bad news: might burn until late fall.
 

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Very sobering and easy to understand graphic modeling of how climate change will transform the US

Meanwhile, the northern Midwest and Great Plains will benefit, in farm productivity, in economy and in overall comfort.
Cornfields. Halloween mazes down on the farm. Butter cow at the state fair. What could be finer? I've only had to turn on the air conditioning a couple days this summer.

Y'all come and help us turn those Senate and House seats once and for all and we can start some serious climate change action! :)
 

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Fire update:

Currently 409,611 acres burned.

53% contained. The southern & southeastern side (areas that have nearby communities) are pretty well under control. The north side--more solid forest--remains uncontained. The weather outlook has improved & people were able to work into the night. There are 90 fire departments from across the country involved in fighting the fire. Another 120 Oregon National Guardsmen were sent in yesterday. (I think there were already some deployed there).

They've also had a covid outbreak among the firefighters, something that didn't happen last year. (Probably because safety precautions were more rigorous then and/or Delta spreads more easily).
 

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They've also had a ********* outbreak among the firefighters, something that didn't happen last year. (Probably because safety precautions were more rigorous then and/or Delta spreads more easily).
:yikes:
 

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There was an article in NYT about how there’s serious understaffing of scientists in various gov’t departments right now. This is making it more difficult to get climate change initiatives going:


A lot of it is directly attributable to Trump. He fired scientists, undermined scientific work, and degraded the whole atmosphere around scientific work so much that hundreds of scientists quit. Now they don’t want to work for the federal gov’t any more because they know the same thing could happen again if Trump or someone like him is elected.

Just another example of how much damage this man did. 😡
 

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There was an article in NYT about how there’s serious understaffing of scientists in various gov’t departments right now. This is making it more difficult to get climate change initiatives going:


A lot of it is directly attributable to Trump. He fired scientists, undermined scientific work, and degraded the whole atmosphere around scientific work so much that hundreds of scientists quit. Now they don’t want to work for the federal gov’t any more because they know the same thing could happen again if Trump or someone like him is elected.

Just another example of how much damage this man did. 😡

The thing is, this has been a Republican goal for some time: make government unworkable so they can run against it. One of the reasons Republicans who didn't like some aspects of Trump could get behind him is that he could do so much damage to the government's ability to function.

Its a disaster given that we have multiple emergencies, climate change, pandemic, and more that need to be addressed effectively. :(
 

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Climate change and mental health: the inconvenient truth

Studies on the psychological impact of the environmental disasters are confirming what people know. “Climate change is negatively affecting the mental health and emotional well-being of people around the world,” reads a report produced by the Imperial College London’s Grantham Institute — Climate Change and Environment.

“There is a clear relationship between increased temperatures and number of suicides,” the report said. “Climate change exacerbates mental distress, particularly among young people, even for individuals who are not directly affected.”

Climate anxiety existed way before the pandemic, but the helpless feelings triggered by COVID-19 have “psychologically primed” people to be especially panicky about the environment, said psychiatrist Lise Van Susteren, an expert in the — growing — field of “climate psychology.”

Those who care about the environment and are taking action — whether as small as reusing plastic baggies, or as large as pushing for new laws — often say they have conflicting feelings.

“There is cognitive dissonance,” said Bardasz, of Cambridge, who worked to reelect Senator Ed Markey, cosponsor of the Green New Deal in the Senate. “I believe the planet is doomed,” she said, “but I need to choose to believe that is not true and it is possible for us to mobilize and stop this somehow.”
 

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New study in Nature Climate Change warns that the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) is closer to a tipping point than previously thought.

This is the ocean current that brings warm water north and cold south that gets talked about periodically and was ridiculously featured in a movie where we all nearly instantaneously froze to death a number of years ago.

It hasn't been considered to be a very high risk of happening but this new study suggests otherwise. Not to say anything is imminent but that if we don't take drastic action the likelihood in human lifetimes of this catastrophic occurrence will be increasing.

And the article notes:

And the apparent consequences of the AMOC slowing are already being felt. A persistent “cold blob” in the ocean south of Greenland is thought to result from less warm water reaching that region. The lagging Gulf Stream has caused exceptionally high sea level rise along the U.S. East Coast. Key fisheries have been upended by the rapid temperature swings, and beloved species are struggling to cope with the changes.

But because this is just a warning of something that could happen in the future, it will not be taken as more proof we need to act radically now. Unfortunately, humans are often like overgrown featherless chickens when it comes to seeing beyond today.

 

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Biden just signed an EO on electric car production, especially US made batteries. 50% of cars on the road by 2030. He said as soon as there was an electric corvette, he was getting one and give the secret service a heart attack.

And he jogs across the WH lawn. The man is in fantastic shape for his age.
 

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I'm sure you've all seen this already, but....

Humans have pushed the climate into ‘unprecedented’ territory, landmark U.N. report finds

On Monday, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issued its latest and most dire assessment about the state of the planet, detailing how humans have altered the environment at an “unprecedented” pace and cautioning that the world risks increasingly catastrophic impacts in the absence of rapid greenhouse gas reductions.

Will we finally get off the dime and take action or will we continue to fiddle while the planet literally burns?

ETA:

With the window to act narrowing, a stark report from the world’s climate experts

“But here, even though it is likely conservative, the reality this report presents is alarming,” said Sergey Paltsev, deputy director of the MIT Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change and a lead author of a past IPCC report.

Climate change has now progressed to a point that scientists contributing to the UN report were able to study the impacts of warming on actual events rather than relying solely on theoretical models. That has enabled scientists to more accurately pinpoint the role of climate in events like severe weather and heat waves like those experienced across much of the United States this summer. It has also allowed them to pinpoint the share of warming due to human activity.

“They have found the enemy, and it’s us,” said Paltsev. “It’s humans who are doing it, so we better fix it.”
 
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The only will is to consume more and more fossil fuels! Germany and its nordstream 2 to get more and more Russian gas. Merkel is one of worst leaders of all time
 

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If you have access to the NY Times, this is a really good column describing how scientists determine the extent that climate change is involved in extreme weather events:

What Cutting-Edge Science Can Tell Us About Extreme Weather


While it is a natural human inclination to want to categorize things in simple terms, how climate change affects our weather is not an either/or question. We are already living in a world that is two degrees Fahrenheit warmer than it was at the outset of the Industrial Revolution. That means that every weather event is already superimposed over the background of a changed climate.

The more precise question to ask is this: Did climate change alter the severity, frequency or duration of this event? Increasingly, the answer is a resounding yes. And thanks to cutting-edge science, we’re starting to be able to put some numbers on it, too. This type of research is called “attribution.”
 

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A toxic algae made worse by climate change might have somehow been responsible for the deaths of a family of three and their dog. That is of course just a guess by authorities but it sounds like the most likely possibility.
It's made me more nervous about swimming in one of the lakes here. They have warnings not to let pets or babies in the water due to blue-green algae. And the lifeguards say where we swim doesn't have it. But why take a chance?
 

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United Nations Warns of ‘Catastrophic Pathway’ With Current Climate Pledges

"An accounting of promises made by countries in the years since the Paris accord found that they are not enough to avoid drastic impacts from climate change."

Even if all countries meet the emissions promises they’ve made to address climate change, the global average temperature is poised to rise 2.7 degrees Celsius by the end of the century, a level considered “catastrophic” in a new report from the United Nations climate agency released Friday.

That level of warming is likely to worsen the kinds of extreme wildfires, droughts and floods witnessed in recent months and years, increase the frequency of deadly heat waves around the world, and threaten coastal cities with rising sea levels.

New York Times.

I mean, no, we're not surprised. At the same time, this is idiocy. And its not as if the consequences are not manifest right now in the world.
 

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Important column in the Washington Post which debunks climate "doomism" and its threat to efforts to address climate change:
Our planet is not doomed. That means we can, and must, act.

In recent years, a new generation of activists has finally forced the climate crisis to the forefront of public debate and legislation. Climate policies have been drafted or are being implemented on a scale that once seemed unimaginable. It is not enough, and large-scale efforts to adapt to climate change are only in their infancy. Yet it is beginning to feel possible that the climate crisis can be overcome.

Doomism threatens to derail this progress. What use is fighting if the battle is already lost? Why advance any righteous cause — racial justice, a fair economy, a healthy democracy — when the climate apocalypse is right around the corner? Doomism encourages apathy — and those who benefit are the very corporations and political extremists most responsible for the environmental and social problems we face.

Doomism may be increasingly popular, but so is its equally implausible opposite: the belief that economic growth and technological innovation will increase wealth and security more quickly than climate change can diminish them. According to that view, even extreme emissions scenarios are nothing to worry about.
 

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COP26 Glasgow turned out to be a lot of watered down "commitments" when what we need is real time ACTION.

Interesting that their own big banners and signs said "UN CLIMATE CHANGE CONFERENCE UK 2021," because I agree overall it was an un-climate change conference that will result in too few changes for our climate and our future.
 

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I heard a West Virginia radio commercial yesterday that talked about the near perfect winter (or Christmas) in West Virginia. It made me think about how snow is starting to fall later and melting earlier and, of course, that this would affect winter tourism in West Virginia.
I don't understand why West Virginians aren't realizing that. It's something that they must feel in their wallets; fewer tourists means fewer money and since the state is already not doing well economically due to fewer coal mines etc, this should affect them even more and I don't get how they continue to vote for a party that denies climate change.
Is that because the GOP tells them it's not man-made and they don't want to believe it is? But why not? If they start to believe it's man-made then there is something they can actually do about it and shouldn't that be what they want?
How come there is no way for Democrats or sane Republicans to reach them when this isn't abstract but is something that they should see and feel?

(Same goes for the tornado victims and the many hurricane victims we've had over the past few years).
 

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balletmaus, it sounds like you don't think it's almost heaven in WV! I guess you probably don't think 1+ million acres of these scenic views promote tourism either:
There are a lot of conservationists and people who love nature in WV. Sadly they have been completely overrun by lobbyists and political leaders like Joe Manchin who don't care about the environment. Joe Manchin was the subject of a detailed and critical report by the WP today:
Craig Holman, an ethics expert at Public Citizen, said that regardless of the congressional rules, Manchin’s declaration in the trust that he wants to “avoid any conflict of interest, or any appearance of such a conflict” is undercut by his simultaneous earnings from a coal business and his work against climate policies.

“It is a very blatant conflict of interest,” Holman said, citing the senator’s financial disclosures. “Manchin is not only very wealthy, but most of his assets and wealth are invested in a single industry, coal.”

Holman said Manchin’s financial position is one of the most conflicted of any member of Congress he has studied because so much of the senator’s financial stake is in the coal industry while he is playing a key role on climate policies. Nonetheless, he said, “what Manchin is doing is not illegal. The conflict of interest code for Congress is just way too weak.”
The rot starts at the top and rolls downhill or at least it does as long as they can push it off the flattened mountaintops.
 

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balletmaus, it sounds like you don't think it's almost heaven in WV!
Let's put it this way: I believe it could be. The little that I saw of WV one summer was beautiful to look at (very green and lush) and I'm sure that it's great for some quiet winter walks especially when there is snow. But I fear it won't be that for too much longer.

I guess you probably don't think 1+ million acres of these scenic views promote tourism either:
Lovely... :(

There are a lot of conservationists and people who love nature in WV. Sadly they have been completely overrun by lobbyists and political leaders like Joe Manchin who don't care about the environment. Joe Manchin was the subject of a detailed and critical report by the WP today:

The rot starts at the top and rolls downhill or at least it does as long as they can push it off the flattened mountaintops.
The problem that I have is not with the elected officials (well, I have a problem with them, too, but that's a different matter) but with the voters. We often say that voters don't believe something that they're not personally affected by. But climate change is affecting weather all over the US, so I don't believe that weather in WV hasn't been affected by it. But if it has been affected by it, voters are personally affected by it and yet, they keep voting for the people who deny climate change. I don't understand why. It doesn't make sense.
 

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Unfortunately I have come to accept that supporting certain issues like the environment will always require overcompensation for superficial voters and use of the court systems to enforce safety and oversight. For an example, we will be having the very interesting primary featuring J.D. Vance this spring. You would think he would be solidly in the corner of the Appalachian voters but looking beneath the surface that is not the case. A whole voting contingent is going to select him based on nothing more than "he wrote that topselling Hillbilly Elegy book." Another is going to vote against him because "he called Trump an idiot." Neither of these contingents is going to delve much deeper than that, yet a willingness to research lots of facts and details is what's required to make thoughtful decisions when it comes to issues like the environment.
 

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This is not unexpected but seeing it stated is deeply unnerving.

The past seven years have been the hottest in recorded history, new data shows


The new global temperature data sets, which come from three of the world’s top climate research institutions, are packed with alarming signs of a world in crisis. More than two dozen countries that are home to about 1.8 billion people experienced their warmest years ever last year. July was the hottest month humanity has recorded. The heat dome that seared the Pacific Northwest this past summer was “the most anomalous extreme heat event ever observed on Earth,” in the words of one scientist — a disaster so severe it would have been virtually impossible in a world without climate change.
 

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