The 'Cancel Culture'

Jot the Dot Dot

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I'm sure aspects of this have been covered in other threads, but I thought I'd start one specifically about the 'Cancel Culture' that has caught so many people in it's net. Two recent examples are interesting because one affected a 'Woman of Color' for a homophobic facebook post she made https://bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-47666769 , the other, a liberal Jewish woman over a 'Blackface' sketch she did years ago https://cnn.com/2019/08/12/entertainment/sarah-silverman-blackface-scli-intl/index.html
 

essence_of_soy

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Finding Dory has been catching a lot of heat for her friendship with George Bush as well. Here's hoping she isn't swimming with sharks.
 

allezfred

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Socialising with the man largely responsible for destabilising the Middle East and causing millions of people to suffer in the process isn’t a good look for Ellen.

That’s even before we get to the anti-LGBT agenda the Bush administration pursued.

Words and actions have consequences. Dismissing that as “cancel culture” usually suggests that those using the term have a fear that their past actions might catch up with them.
 

MacMadame

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Words and actions have consequences. Dismissing that as “cancel culture” usually suggests that those using the term have a fear that their past actions might catch up with them.
I agree.

I don't think "cancel culture" is a real thing anyway. If you look at various people who someone has declared "canceled," most of them are doing just fine. They aren't canceled at all. Before social media, these same people would have gotten mired in controversy, disappeared for a while (possibly after apologizing) and then quietly returned to the spotlight after things died down. And that's exactly what happens today.

As an example, some lame YouTuber got into a drama-filled controversy and lost 2 million of his viewers. OMG, he'd been canceled! Except he still had about 7 or 8 million viewers and over time he got 1 million new viewers. I'm sorry, but a guy with 9 million people subscribed to his YouTube cancel is hardly "canceled."

It's just people who think social media is real life being melodramatic IMO. And also a way for people to try to minimalize other people's bad or questionable behavior.
 

Zemgirl

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I'm not sure how much overlap there is between cancel culture and callout culture (is it the same thing?) as well as online shaming more generally. We tend to think of famous people who are able to bounce back from being "cancelled", but this kind of thing can affect regular people, too, for offending not just people on the left but also on the right.

Are there bigger problems in the world? Yes. But online shaming can have real consequences and affect people's jobs, friendships, and mental health, often for infractions that don't merit more than a bit of criticism. I don't feel comfortable dismissing this as an issue entirely.
 

MacMadame

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But online shaming can have real consequences and affect people's jobs, friendships, and mental health, often for infractions that don't merit more than a bit of criticism.
The answer to online shaming you can't handle is to get off social media. It's not required to live a full life. Especially if you aren't famous and aren't trying to sell something (even if just yourself).

The times it really impacts people is when they do something beyond the pale. Like march with Nazis screaming Jews will not replace us.
 

Zemgirl

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The times it really impacts people is when they do something beyond the pale. Like march with Nazis screaming Jews will not replace us.
Like taking a picture in poor taste at Arlington National Cemetery, which was a very bad idea but doesn't justify what happened to the woman who did it. Like tweeting something stupid about the murder of a police officer and getting the Breitbart crowd after you in real life. In both cases, what was posted was out of line, but the reaction was wildly disproportionate to the offense.

If it were just fascist types who were being shamed, I wouldn't have written my previous post.
 

jeffisjeff

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Socialising with the man largely responsible for destabilising the Middle East and causing millions of people to suffer in the process isn’t a good look for Ellen.

That’s even before we get to the anti-LGBT agenda the Bush administration pursued.
I think part of the issue with this Ellen-W controversy is that W's legacy has been rehabilitated in recent years. In a way it is understandable - compared to Trump, he is seen as a "good" Republican. But we need to reject Trump as the baseline for comparison and remember with W actually did (and tried to do) to this country.
 

Zemgirl

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Does burning books count as cancel culture?


 

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