Shortages Real and Feared

Amy L

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Your county officials offerred no guidance on boiling the tap water to kill off the amoebas? Obviously not viable for showers, but limited volumes would be sufficient for drinking, cooking, handwashing, bodywashing (with sponge or towel) .... You should inquire as to how long the water should be boiled to effectively kill off the amoebas; and confirm that the boiled water (once cooled) would be safe to use.

We weren't given any other information other than "Don't use the water." So I guess I get to do scientific research myself on a Saturday morning.

I live in a different county than Houston, but we're right on the border. Harris County doesn't seem to have our same amoeba issues, so I might have to road trip for water.
 

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So, yesterday I got a call from the appliance center I purchased a freezer from back in early March. It’s finally on the way to their store. I’m getting it Oct 9th! :cheer2:
My salesperson and I have gotten to know each other quite well as he updated me quite frequently throughout the wait.
 

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I have a good friend that works for one of the largest freezer manufacturers in the US and he assures me that they are way behind keeping up with orders. The crud has caused shutdowns but it is more under control now.

My niece spent months shopping for a decent dishwasher. I need to ask her if she finally found one. She is remodeling her kitchen and did not want a hole where the dishwasher was supposed to be.
 

spinZZ

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The county was cleared for the amoeba EXCEPT for the town I live in. :rolleyes: The city manager is still saying not to use the water at all, he said not even to boil it. Already been doing that so whoopsie. They're supposed to get emergency trucks of water in from the state to distribute, but until they get here, this is what's going on:

Good Grief, Charlie Brown! Cases of water are a lot heavier than bundles of toilet paper. If one of those overloaded shopping carts overturns, someone could get hurt. Did the city manager explain why he didn't issue a "boil alert" instead of a "do not use" alert?
 

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Went shopping today. I ordered paper towels and dishwasher detergent from Walmart yesterday for pickup b/c Target website indicated those items were out of stock. But I went to Target this morning and they did have plenty of toilet paper, Puffs, napkins and laundry detergent. They even had the Palmolive I wanted even though the website said they didn't. :shuffle: They did have a few paper towels but not the kind I wanted. I also saw Lysol cleaner (the all-purpose spray bottle) which I haven't seen there for 6 months.

Walmart pickup took forever. Another customer and I waited about 10 minutes after keying in our order numbers waiting for someone to appear. And their pickup is inside the store as usual, all the way in back. I don't think they are doing outdoor pickup, based on their website and parking lot. Hopefully, I won't have to go back for a while.
 

spinZZ

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Good Grief, Charlie Brown! Cases of water are a lot heavier than bundles of toilet paper. If one of those overloaded shopping carts overturns, someone could get hurt. Did the city manager explain why he didn't issue a "boil alert" instead of a "do not use" alert?

I read up on brain-eating amoeba (Naegleria fowleri) a couple of years ago when my doctor suggested I try sinus irrigation to relieve chronic sinus problems. For sinus irrigation, you use a device such as a netipot, squeeze bottle, syringe, or pumping station, to inject saline solution up your nostrils to flush out your sinus cavities. There have been a few rare instances in which people prepared their saline solution with tap water contaminated with brain-eating amoeba, and subsequently died. But the risk comes from infected water entering the nose. According to the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/naegleria/public-water-systems.html):

"Remember, you cannot be infected with Naegleria fowleri by drinking contaminated water. When water systems have the disinfectant raised, the water may have a strong chemical taste or smell, but your water utility will be working to make sure it still meets drinking water standards.

Since Naegleria fowleri infects people when water containing the ameba enters the body through the nose, it is critical to prevent water going up the nose.

<<followed by a list of do's and don'ts when your water supply is contaminated>>"

Sinus irrigation with contaminated water is particularly hazardous since you are deliberately injecting large volumes of water up your nose and into your sinus cavities. But even here, the CDC states that boiled water is safe for sinus irrigation; though distilled water is preferred, and that's what I use (https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/naegleria/sinus-rinsing.html):


"Treating Water Used for Nasal Rinsing

1. Boiled or distilled (preferred)
  • Boil:Use water that has been previously boiled for 1 minute and left to cool.
    • At elevations above 6,500 feet, boil for 3 minutes.
  • Buy: Use water with a label specifying that it contains distilled or sterile water.
<<followed by a list of other water treatments>>"
 
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Amy L

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We just got upgraded to a boil water alert, which I was doing anyways. Since they're running disinfectant through the system, we can take showers but we're advised to let the water run for 5+ minutes to flush out the old water.

The child who died is believed to have contracted the amoeba from playing with a water hose at his house, the water sample taken from the hose bib tested positive. They also tested 10 other random sites in the city and two of them were positive. Late September is basically still summer here, so parents are warned not to let their kids play with hoses, sprinklers or use slip-n-slides (they still make those??)

Now I wonder what people are going to do with the 50 extra cases of water they have around the house. I hope those people at least put the empties into the recycling - - they won't, but a girl can dream.
 
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spinZZ

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Now I wonder what people are going to do with the 50 extra cases of water they have around the house. I hope those people at least put the empties into the recycling - - they won't, but a girl can dream.
Yeah, back in Mar/Apr at the height of the hoarding binge in my area (I'm in NJ), supermarkets and bulk-supply stores such as Costco posted big signs that read, "Bottled water, toilet paper, ... (list of others) CANNOT be returned."
 
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spinZZ

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We just got upgraded to a boil water alert, which I was doing anyways. Since they're running disinfectant through the system, we can take showers but we're advised to let the water run for 5+ minutes to flush out the old water.

The child who died is believed to have contracted the amoeba from playing with a water hose at his house, the water sample taken from the hose bib tested positive. They also tested 10 other random sites in the city and two of them were positive. Late September is basically still summer here, so parents are warned not to let their kids play with hoses, sprinklers or use slip-n-slides (they still make those??)

Now I wonder what people are going to do with the 50 extra cases of water they have around the house. I hope those people at least put the empties into the recycling - - they won't, but a girl can dream.
This story made it onto national TV news last night (I was watching NBC; don't know about the other networks). ETA: On CBS national TV news tonight.
 
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spinZZ

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You can prevent your wipes from drying out by putting them/their container in a ziploc bag.
There are also the wipes that are individually sealed, one wipe per packet. More expensive, but you don't need to worry about a whole container full drying out once you've opened the container. Of course, these days, you might not have the option of getting what you want.
 

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Forgot to mention when I went to Meijer for yogurt yesterday, the toilet paper was fully stocked, but most of the paper towels were gone, except for those brown ones.

I got the Wipe Out wipes. $5.99 for 80 of them. I think they are the small ones like the ones that come out of the CVS dispenser, but if I only use them to wipe off door knobs or wipe off counters, they should be o.k. I took a good Clorox wipe to Meijer in a baggie.

And they had a whole display of shelves of different kinds of masks at the corner of the main aisle going to the check outs. They had a sign that you could not pay with cash.
 

spinZZ

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Yet another reason not to use a neti pot :yikes: :scream:
Actually, sinus irrigation can be very effective for some people. It was an ENT specialist who recommended I try it. I found a netipot to be clumsy, used a bulb syringe for a couple of years, and recently switched to a Sinupulse pump station.

The key takeaway is to be aware that there can be rare, but potentially deadly, hidden dangers in tap water. So take the proper precautions. I buy gallon bottles of distilled water from the supermarket to make up the saline rinse solution. For cleaning the syringe or pump station, I use previously boiled tap water. I boil a gallon at a time in a pot, let it cool, and then bottle it (the bottles that the distilled water comes in don't hold up under multiple reuse; I use heavier duty bottles).
 
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My spidey sense is thinking we may have another stay at home order coming in the Northeast, likely on/after November 4th. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m reviewing my “must have in case” list. I care less about toilet paper, but if we don’t have key cooking ingredients, I’ll go nuts. Time to load up on condiments and rice noodles.
 

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My spidey sense is thinking we may have another stay at home order coming in the Northeast, likely on/after November 4th. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m reviewing my “must have in case” list. I care less about toilet paper, but if we don’t have key cooking ingredients, I’ll go nuts. Time to load up on condiments and rice noodles.

I changed an appointment for a haircut from first week in November to last week in October and am already making lists of what perishables I can keep in the house for an extended period of time (apples are looking more and more appealing to me).
 

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I changed an appointment for a haircut from first week in November to last week in October and am already making lists of what perishables I can keep in the house for an extended period of time (apples are looking more and more appealing to me).
My crisper is full of apples and oranges...
My Lysol and paper towels are stocked.
I have a large back up pack of toilet paper.
 

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So, I made a trip to BJs this morning. Got everything I wanted except Drano (or Liquid Plummer), which has also been MIA in my supermarket. The BJs app claimed to have had it. An employee told me he’d seen it. But it was nowhere to be seen. Some vendors are stocked out on Amazon too. I guess with people staying at home there’s more clogs to unclog too.

Otherwise I am well stocked on everything. I shouldn’t need any grocery store trips for a few weeks. I may make another run for a few things right before the election...
 

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Today Kroger was completely stocked with paper towels, but not toilet paper. I had to get a 12 mega-roll in the Charmin Soft because they didn't have anything smaller. I went there because I had two $2 coupons. And the last CVS generic I got, three of the 9 rolls weren't perforated after every square, and I was not going to get Kroger's generic. I've had trouble with their trash bags and paper towels too. I know, I'll use it all before I die, probably. But I had to take one column of four out and put them in a different bag in the linen closet because they would not all fit in their place under the sink. Oh, yeah, they were $13.99 and they made the tax $1.01. So it would come out an even $15? It's not like I was going to pay cash. That's 7.2%. Sales tax is supposed to be 7.5%, so I saved 4 cents. And $4.
 
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Aceon6

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It’s looking like Safer At Home orders may be reinstated in some areas. In looking at the pattern for March/April, I need to plan for 6-8 weeks. Since getting a grocery delivery or pickup slot took 2-3 weeks at the peak, I need to inventory to make sure we’re covered.
 

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I don't drink Tab (or any soda really) but it was a staple of my childhood and young adulthood.
 

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I don't think NYS is going to go into a hard lockdown in 2020, but if it does (or if my zip code. which includes red zones, does), I figure it will be either the two weeks before Thanksgiving week (Nov. 9-21) or the two weeks following Thanksgiving (Nov.30-Dec. 12). People have to be able to vote, so that takes care of late October, beginning of November. There's no point doing a lockdown Thanksgiving week since it will simply be ignored, and there's no point doing one too close to Christmas because that would be an even greater financial disaster.

Since for the most part the red zones currently correlate with Orthodox Jewish neighborhoods and since the Jewish holidays ended a week ago (and won't begin again until early spring), my guess is NY is not panicking about a major spread.

So I'm going for an additional level of preparedness but won't go into full fledged crazy terror until January.
 

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I wanted to express my gratitude to @missing and the wise of FSU for this thread. I was in a store a couple of weeks ago and saw disinfectant and some antiseptic wipes and thought, "You know, I might want to get some of that, just in case" because of this thread.

And the case came along, and I had supplies already in place!

I don't recommend that anyone become a hoarder, but having some things already on hand is a good thing when you have to quarantine.
 

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Since for the most part the red zones currently correlate with Orthodox Jewish neighborhoods and since the Jewish holidays ended a week ago (and won't begin again until early spring), my guess is NY is not panicking about a major spread.
You're not out of the woods yet for 2020. There's still Hanukkah coming up in Dec.

ETA: And, oh yeah, how about this large wedding (up to 10,000 guests) that was just thwarted: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/***...-of-10000-person-wedding-in-brooklyn/2674708/
 

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You're not out of the woods yet for 2020. There's still Hanukkah coming up in Dec.

ETA: And, oh yeah, how about this large wedding (up to 10,000 guests) that was just thwarted: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/***...-of-10000-person-wedding-in-brooklyn/2674708/

Hanukkah isn't a big religious gotta go to synagogue holiday. It's an assimilated Jewish what can we give our kids because they don't have Santa Claus holiday.

The next big gotta go to synagogue holiday is Purim, which is also celebratory, and will happen in 2021 on Feb. 25. While it could be cause for concern (in some ways it's like Mardi Gras- big gatherings, lots of costumes, socially acceptable to drink too much), it's only one night. Rosh Hashanah through Simchat Torah was 3 weeks and roughly half that time involved going to synagogue (plus, of course, regular weekly Sabbath attendance).

That 10000 person wedding is lunacy, and my assumption is its subtext is similar to anti-mask protests. Craziness isn't limited to one religion.
 

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We went to several home improvement stores today looking for a patio heater and a specific model of a cordless Dyson.

Patio heaters are sold out everywhere here. And they don't expect to get any more in stock. Apparently patio heaters are in high demand everywhere because restaurants are buying them up for outdoor eating arrangements.

But hand sanitizer, cleaning wipes (not clorax but still has effective cleaning ingredients), and hand sanitizing wipes were found in all the stores we were at. Boxes of kid medical masks were everywhere too.

Dyson vacuums 10 were out of stock everywhere too. So we got the 7.
 

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I went to the supermarket today armed with my shopping list which included a bottle of white vinegar. And I bought one. The only 32 ounce bottle they had on their shelf.

They did have 3 or 4 big plastic jugs of white vinegar, so I don't know if it's the vinegar or the bottles that are hard for the store to come by. Or if it's just my supermarket that's suffering from a lack of bottled white vinegar. Or if it was simply an oddity of the moment and as soon as I left hundreds of 32 ounce or smaller bottles of white vinegar shoved their way onto the shelf.

Life is so peculiar nowadays.
 

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