Provisional allotments for ISU Championships 2022, 2023 & 2024; future bids discussion

marysy

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The rental of Accor Arena in Bercy (since it has been remodeled) is such a big blow to ISU and FFSG finances that it has become infeasible. There is no other arena suitable for a GP within Paris intra muros limits. The only one that would be perfect for a GP is Aren'Ice of Cergy-Pontoise north of tje capitale. But it's a real hassle to get there from downtown Paris and worse from main airports. It's so complicated by public transportation that last year for Nationals, it was easier for me to drive up there (a 7 hours trip) than to take a train, the subway and a bus.
Is it not possible to take the RER A from Paris to Cergy St. Christophe? The arena looks like a 21 minute walk from that station. I used to work in Cergy and commuted from the west side of Paris (Étoile) by RER A to Cergy Prefecture several times a week. It was around 35-40 min by RER and I generally didn’t have any issues, but don’t know if things have changed since then.

It is far from the airports, but you can take one of the other RER lines from CDG or Orly to Châtelet and transfer to the A? That is quite a long trip though.

At any rate, I’m sad IdF isn’t in the Paris area anymore so I have an excuse to visit more often. :) Bercy was always so convenient, not to mention it was very easy to see skaters at the hotel nearby.
 
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I'm very excited as well. The only issue I see is the ISU granting 2024 to Montreal that missed its opportunity due to prior cancellation, and loathe to place Worlds in North America two years in a row. 😞
Besides we just came off the 3rd straight Olympics in a Asian country so NA deserves something i would think.
 

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Interesting that Minsk assumes they would be able to host anything in the foreseeable future.
It's more interesting, that russia is not interested in figure skating. Only in speed skating and short track.
And this is not the first time. Russia is not very eager to host serious figure skating competitions. And this is a country that tells everyone that without them, figure skating will die.
 

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It's more interesting, that russia is not interested in figure skating. Only in speed skating and short track.
And this is not the first time. Russia is not very eager to host serious figure skating competitions. And this is a country that tells everyone that without them, figure skating will die.
Two separate feds also. Canada and the US are the same - several bids on the short track side for Calgary and SLC to host events in future seasons, just the one from the USFS to host 2025 Worlds and nothing from Skate Canada - not for 4CCs or Synchro Jr Worlds (I'll give them a pass on Synchro Worlds since they did host it this year and they're hosting Jr Worlds next year).

The Hungarian fed (which oversees all ice skating in Hungary) is bidding for anything and everything (okay, that's an exaggeration, but...) -
2024/25 - Jr Worlds (Debrecen), Worlds (Budapest), Synchro Worlds (Budapest), Euros Speed (Budapest), Jr Worlds Speed (Budapest), Worlds Short Track (Debrecen)
2025/26 - Worlds (Budapest), Jr Worlds Speed (Budapest), Worlds Speed (Budapest), Worlds Short Track (Debrecen)
2026/27 - Worlds (Budapest), Jr Worlds Short Track (Debrecen)

Now, we could judge the Dutch and Norwegian feds, since they oversee all four sports and they have 8 & 6 bids respectively for ISU championships - all either Speed or Short Track...

They make Taiwan's fed (also oversees all 4 skating sports) look good...
2023/24 4CCs, Jr Worlds
2024/25 Jr Worlds, Jr Worlds Short Track
2025/26 Jr Worlds, 4CCs Short Track
2026/27 Jr Worlds, Jr Worlds Short Track

The Russian speed skating fed is bidding for 4 events total - 2024/25 Jr Worlds Speed, 2024/25 Jr Worlds Short Track, 2025/26 Euros Speed and 2025/26 Jr Worlds Speed; by contrast and Poland's speed skating fed is bidding for 7.

Now, the JSF and KSF oversee all four skating sports and between them, there's one bid from the JSF for the 2024/25 4CCs Speed, so I'm wondering if perhaps they're still concerned about future C19 surges and potential shut downs, or just have less money in general, right now.

I say give Hungary and Taiwan at least one event every season, if they're willing to bid for them!
 

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Is it not possible to take the RER A from Paris to Cergy St. Christophe? The arena looks like a 21 minute walk from that station. I used to work in Cergy and commuted from the west side of Paris (Étoile) by RER A to Cergy Prefecture several times a week. It was around 35-40 min by RER and I generally didn’t have any issues, but don’t know if things have changed since then.

It is far from the airports, but you can take one of the other RER lines from CDG or Orly to Châtelet and transfer to the A? That is quite a long trip though

No of course you can still do all that. It's a 1h ride from Paris. But you don't put skaters and officials in the RER, and considering the crazy traffic around Paris you don't drive them around in coaches for hours on end. There are only a few hotels in Cergy, only one is nearby the rink, it's small and not up to the standard ISU officials are used to 😎 I'm not even sure there are enough hotels in Cergy to accommodate the whole circus a GP is. I once stayed at the Mercure which is supposed to be of reasonable standard and it was by far the worse place ever. I stayed at Ibis Budget for Nationals last year and it was half the price for a twice better room. But these hotels are small. It's a shame because Aren'Ice is huge, brand new and magnificent (but has no press room 😄) Above all I think that anything in IDF is much too expensive for FFSG. National federations support a big bulk of the total cost.
 

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Tampere, Finland candidates for Worlds 2027. The new rink is at the city center on the railway station, near the hotels and restaurants. It is a lovely city in many ways, and the people in Tampere are so friendly.
 

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Tampere, Finland candidates for Worlds 2027. The new rink is at the city center on the railway station, near the hotels and restaurants. It is a lovely city in many ways, and the people in Tampere are so friendly.
Plus Moomin Museum!

 

Hanna

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All-event tickets for Helsinki Euros just went on sale. https://www.ticketmaster.fi/event/i...hips-2023-espoo-lippuja/309435?language=en-us

A big difference in price between the upper and lower bowl. :yikes: With these prices I'd probably just go for the first rows in the upper bowl, which are surprisingly affordable vs. the lower bowl. Not that I'm buying anything for another 6 months :lol: - want to see the prices for the single tickets first.
 

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A big difference in price between the upper and lower bowl. :yikes: With these prices I'd probably just go for the first rows in the upper bowl, which are surprisingly affordable vs. the lower bowl.

Unfortunately Ticketmaster is already "dynamically" changing prices again. When I first clicked on your link first row in the upper bowl was 194, now it's up to 314. Probably because due to your links, a lot of people clicked on the same seats.
 

Hanna

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Unfortunately Ticketmaster is already "dynamically" changing prices again. When I first clicked on your link first row in the upper bowl was 194, now it's up to 314. Probably because due to your links, a lot of people clicked on the same seats.
Really? I've never heard of such a thing, at least not with figure skating competitions. :confused: Anyway, for me the first rows in the upper bowl were 314 all along (without gala). The price changes to 194 after a few rows. Same with the lower bowl, the first 5 rows were 824 and then the rest 674. This was a couple of hours ago, haven't checked since.
 

Miezekatze

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Hmm, maybe I misremembered, but I had the impression I got better seats for 197 the first time I looked today :confused:

I know that behavior from their concert tickets, so it at least wouldn't have surprised me.
 

marbri

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Really? I've never heard of such a thing, at least not with figure skating competitions. :confused: Anyway, for me the first rows in the upper bowl were 314 all along (without gala). The price changes to 194 after a few rows. Same with the lower bowl, the first 5 rows were 824 and then the rest 674. This was a couple of hours ago, haven't checked since.
Just checked and to me it looks like the first 7 rows are 314 and the ones behind 194.
 

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Speaking of 2023 events, has anyone seen ticketing information for Worlds in Saitama? I would love to attend a competition in Japan, but I’m not sure how likely it would be for international spectators to get tickets.
 

MarieM

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Is it not possible to take the RER A from Paris to Cergy St. Christophe? The arena looks like a 21 minute walk from that station. I used to work in Cergy and commuted from the west side of Paris (Étoile) by RER A to Cergy Prefecture several times a week. It was around 35-40 min by RER and I generally didn’t have any issues, but don’t know if things have changed since then.

It is far from the airports, but you can take one of the other RER lines from CDG or Orly to Châtelet and transfer to the A? That is quite a long trip though.

At any rate, I’m sad IdF isn’t in the Paris area anymore so I have an excuse to visit more often. :) Bercy was always so convenient, not to mention it was very easy to see skaters at the hotel nearby.
It's a 25 minutes walk from the RER station to the rink. So okay in the daylight, but otherwise it stinks.
Plus that RER A branch is not open after 21h because there is work being done at night.
 

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