Politics of Why We Are All at Home Right Now

Spikefan

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So if one of his officers pulled me over could I refuse to roll my window down until said officer put a mask on? Time to get the ACLU on speed dial if you live in that county.
 

Susan1

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FDA's Stephen Hahn acknowledges that he overstated the benefits of the plasma treatment and the criticism he received for it is justified. But it was totally not a political decision ;) https://tinyurl.com/y33lmm9x
In other words, "trump tweeted something mean about the FDA, so I had to make him stop by agreeing with him". He ruins every government agency and breaks apart families for his own ego.
 

MacMadame

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Another editorial on how the US is failing in this crisis:


I assume Louis will have a cow about this one as it really goes after the Libertarian view that all charity should be private.
 

BlueRidge

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The existence of charity is in most cases a failure of that particular society.
that is certainly true in the US and the first people who will tell you that are the people who work for the non-profits who try to (and can't possibly) fill the gap in meeting human needs that is left by inadequate or non-existent government programs.
 

VGThuy

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Another editorial on how the US is failing in this crisis:


I assume Louis will have a cow about this one as it really goes after the Libertarian view that all charity should be private.
The existence of charity is in most cases a failure of that particular society.
that is certainly true in the US and the first people who will tell you that are the people who work for the non-profits who try to (and can't possibly) fill the gap in meeting human needs that is left by inadequate or non-existent government programs.
@BlueRidge, you just identified what is probably the biggest lesson I've learned as an adult that has shaped me forever after.
 
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DORISPULASKI

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In US society, our penchant for private charity over public policy seems to me to stem from many Americans' belief that some people are less-than, and therefore are undeserving of help.

We only want to aid those who look like us, or speak our language, or behave as we wish them to behave, or worship as we wish them to worship.
 

Louis

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I assume Louis will have a cow about this one as it really goes after the Libertarian view that all charity should be private.
Eh, not really. I'm not Libertarian with a capital-L.

I can agree with pieces of the article, like:

The government should act like a government, like its job is to provide these things. It should replace people’s income when a recession hits, and help businesses struggling through no fault of their own. It should guarantee simple, affordable access to medical care. It should provide child care and public education for families. And it should invest in trains and buses and classrooms. Fighting recessions and building public infrastructure, including care, health, and educational infrastructure—this should not be the work of citizens.
Other than maybe child care, and needing to add a few caveats / limitations on "replace people’s income when a recession hits," I can conceptually agree with the above.

Where I disagree with the article is as follows:

Now the ********* has shredded the country’s education infrastructure[....]
The ********* hasn't done this; the lockdown / shutdown has.

The country’s current school debacle puts these bootstrap-induced inequities in stark relief. Rich families are hiring tutors to supervise their kids as they go to Zoom school, or are forming one-room schools with in-person instruction for their children. Meanwhile, poor families are facing neglect charges for not managing the digital transition well enough, giving rise to the new, revolting phrase virtual truants to describe kids who cannot or do not show up on-screen.
Again, this is a largely Democratic-led consequence of lockdown / shutdown. Those of us opposed to lockdown have been screaming about this for months. The only way to fix these problems is to commit to reopening.
 

allezfred

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YKW has held a mirror up to where we as societies are lacking. It has come at a great cost to people’s lives and health, but hopefully it will be an agent of change for the better.
 

Vagabond

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Meanwhile, in Boliva:

New mortality figures reviewed by The Times suggest that the real death toll during the outbreak is nearly five times the official tally, indicating Bolivia has suffered one of the world’s worst epidemics. The extraordinary rise in death, adjusted for its population, is more than twice as high as that of the United States, and far higher than the levels in Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom.

About 20,000 more people have died since June than in past years, according to a Times analysis of registration data from Bolivia’s Civil Registry, a vast number in a country of only about 11 million people.
But [Bolivia's] ability to respond was undermined by a contested election that led to the ouster in November of the then-president, Evo Morales, a socialist. An interim president, Jeanine Añez, a conservative, stepped in with a promise to govern until elections could be held.

Since then, Ms. Añez has announced that she is running for the office — and asked the electoral board to postpone the new vote, saying the ********* made it unsafe for the population to go to the polls. The rescheduling of the vote from May to October has enraged opposition groups, who see it as an attempt by the caretaker president to cling to power.
(((((Bolivia)))))

If democracy means anything, it means voting. And not just in South America either. :shuffle:
 

Vagabond

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The unprecedented move, during legislators’ pivotal final week in session, came a day after Sen. Brian Jones, R-Santee (San Diego County), tweeted that he had been infected with the *****. The Senate canceled its session Wednesday while it conducted contact tracing and informed anyone who may have been exposed.
How fortunate that, as State Senators, they have good health insurance! :saint:
 

Vagabond

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Boris Johnson is facing a showdown with furious Conservative MPs over his government’s chaotic handling of [you-know-what], as a new poll shows the Tories have surrendered a massive lead over Labour in just five months.

As MPs prepare to return to Westminster on Tuesday, Charles Walker, who is vice-chair of the 1922 committee of Conservative backbenchers, told the Observer that a recent string of U-turns had left many colleagues in despair, with some struggling to support and defend their government to constituents. Governing by U-turn in this way, he said, was unsustainable.
Well, well!

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