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Susan1

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The Ohio Department of Health has released the latest number of *********-19 cases in the state.

As of Wednesday, Nov. 24, ODH reports a total of 1,660,131 (+6,751) cases, leading to 85,225 (+339) hospitalizations and 10,656 (+24) admissions into the ICU. A total of 6,715,557 people — or 57.45% of the state’s population — have at least started the vaccination process, according to ODH data, an increase of 12,165 from the previous day.

From Monday-Sunday last week, ODH reported 38,379 cases, the third consecutive week-to-week increase after cases declined for six straight weeks coming off a peak in the Delta variant wave of 48,580 weekly cases.

ODH reported 127 deaths Tuesday, bringing the total to 26,190. The state is updating the number only after death certificates have been processed, usually twice a week.

The 21-day case average now sits at more than 4,800.

The ODH stated Wednesday that, due to the Thanksgiving holiday, no numbers will be released Thursday and the totals will be added to Friday’s numbers.

 

Mayra

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In Olympic/Vaccine related events...

Unvaccinated Russian minors won't have to quarantine for Beijing

“The IOC has confirmed that our athletes will not be put in quarantine because we are not allowed to vaccinate minors,” RIA news agency quoted Stanislav Pozdnyakov, president of the Russian Olympic Committee, as saying. “We have seven such athletes at this point: three figure skaters and four freestyle skiers.”
I'm sorry but this is ridiculous and puts so many at risk. 🤦‍♀️ Mind you, I think the 21 day quarantine is insane, but they are essentially putting one country's rules over the health of hundreds of athletes. Shame.
 
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Hedwig

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In Olympic/Vaccine related events...

Unvaccinated Russian minors won't have to quarantine for Beijing


I'm sorry but this is ridiculous and puts so many at risk. 🤦‍♀️ Mind you, I think the 21 day quarantine is insane, but they are essentially putting one country's rules over the health of hundreds of athletes. Shame.
it is ridiculous as well that they are not allowing other vaccines in the country. Their own people don't trust Sputnik but for economic reasons they are not allowing other vaccines.

Mind you - I am not saying that Sputnik is bad! From all reports it sounds okay. But I would never ever take this with the mess of no documentation and no valid approval process!
 

MichaelK

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I think people are not going to go back to caring, so I think states have to adapt their strategies against *********-19 based on this.

IMO German mentality is not so different from Eastern Europeans, so all this waiting that people will go back to taking the ********* seriously if they are constantly asked to do so, is going to achieve absolutely nothing.

IMO we need to concentrate on offering vaccinations and boosters at the right point of time fast and effectively, which is where we are completely failing. :rolleyes:

I think also many people in Germany are really mad at the governement by now, because of the failure to offer vaccinations in time (here it's nearly as hard to get a booster shot now than it was to get the initial shot in spring), plus because the government didn't take harsh actions to get more unvaccinated people vaccinated earlier, which doesn't exactly help causing discipline or rule compliance.
I live in Dresden, the epicenter of the German pan*demic, and it is easy to understand why that is. There is a large amount of people that are so fanatical against vaccinations that you can't get through them with any rational argument. Some people I know are willing to lose their jobs or even emigrate because of possible vaccine mandates. These are not all right-wing and some are otherwise nice, reasonable people, but when it comes to vaccinations they lose their minds. The situation here in Saxony is increasingly becoming dire with the health system approaching collapse, so I'm afraid the next few weeks will be very hard and a lot of people will lose their lives unnecessarily.
 

Miezekatze

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I live in Dresden, the epicenter of the German pan*demic, and it is easy to understand why that is. There is a large amount of people that are so fanatical against vaccinations that you can't get through them with any rational argument. Some people I know are willing to lose their jobs or even emigrate because of possible vaccine mandates. These are not all right-wing and some are otherwise nice, reasonable people, but when it comes to vaccinations they lose their minds. The situation here in Saxony is increasingly becoming dire with the health system approaching collapse, so I'm afraid the next few weeks will be very hard and a lot of people will lose their lives unnecessarily.
I wouldn't mind the voluntary emigration solution :shuffle:

I currently assume we will eventually make vaccination mandatory for large parts of the population like Austria.

It will certainly be hard to enforce, especially in states like Saxony, but I think it will still improve the overall situation long term.
 

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The Toronto Star has an article on who is getting sick and who isn't.

Here is the good news for me:

The Public Health Ontario report, which includes ********* vaccination and case data up until Nov. 14, shows there were only 17,596 breakthrough cases out of the 11.1 million individuals who have completed two doses of the vaccine. As of Nov. 14, there were just 40 cases following a third dose, the data shows.

But here is the why oh why oh why oh did I decide to go to Nationals part of the article:

That’s why maintaining public health measures, particularly masking and minimizing risks that come with crowded, poorly ventilated indoor spaces, is still critical, even with a highly immunized population, Sharkawy said.

“We have to maintain a sense of vigilance around those things that can prevent at-risk people from becoming sick. And that means preventing the possibility of breakthrough infection by not simply relying on the vaccines alone.”
 

Buzz

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Found out about yet another Starbucks that is closed. It broke my heart. I love their seasonal drinks. Some of the spaces vacated by Harvey’s, Starbucks etc. are now occupied by cannabis stores.
 

MacMadame

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That’s why maintaining public health measures, particularly masking and minimizing risks that come with crowded, poorly ventilated indoor spaces, is still critical, even with a highly immunized population, Sharkawy said.
But an arena is not a crowded, poorly ventilated space. It has huge ceilings and a bit of a breeze and stadium seating means each row of people is facing towards the ice (not each other) and at a different level than the people behind and in front of them.

This is part of why I didn't feel unsafe sitting at The Orleans Arena. On the concourse was a different matter but even that wasn't too bad as most were wearing masks correctly and we weren't packed in like sardines.
 

allezfred

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Europeans are rising up in rebellion against new lockdowns:

The sheer size of the protests in Belgium, Netherlands, and Austria should be giving politicians pause. At least politicians who want to keep their jobs. These are not small, fringe groups. They're broad coalitions of tens of thousands of people.
Rebelling against doing the right thing to protect the vulnerable in society. Stars all of them......
 

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Reading about the new variant made me wonder/be a bit surprised that we haven't had a strong variant coming out of the US. YKW is unchecked in some areas of the country and still, we haven't had a variant of (significant) concern. Weird.
 

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Reading about the new variant made me wonder/be a bit surprised that we haven't had a strong variant coming out of the US. YKW is unchecked in some areas of the country and still, we haven't had a variant of (significant) concern. Weird.
That is weird right?
 

Lara

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Variants are more likely to develop in the immunocompromised. Even if the US doesn’t have a great overall vax rate I imagine most of those at high risk have gotten protected (at least I’d hope so). Also access to treatment if infected is much higher in the US vs. developing countries.
 

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More about the new variant:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...7f5a78-4e99-11ec-a7b8-9ed28bf23929_story.html

Britain, Israel, and other countries are moving to ban travel from southern Africa, but the U.S. has not done anything yet.

I'm not sure travel bans really seem to work, though ... so far, it seems like by the time we learn of a new variant, it's too late and it's already traveling around the globe. :(

It all underscores the urgent need to get more vaccines out to the rest of the world. :(
 

missing

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I have a friend who is in week 6 of an 8 week trip to South Africa.

I know to get there she flew DC to London to SA. I don't know what her return flight plan is but I'm worried, not that she'll get sick but that she'll have a nightmare time getting home or will have to quarantine on some leg of the trip.

She wouldn't even be able to quarantine easily back home since she loaned her house to someone and extended the invitation to after she returns.

I don't know what the hell she's going to do. I want to email her some frantic warning but there's no way she doesn't know what's happening. She spent 6 weeks doing volunteer work and the final 2 weeks are scheduled for a safari. She's been looking forward to this trip for years, especially since it couldn't happen last year.
 

Judy

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More about the new variant:


Britain, Israel, and other countries are moving to ban travel from southern Africa, but the U.S. has not done anything yet.

I'm not sure travel bans really seem to work, though ... so far, it seems like by the time we learn of a new variant, it's too late and it's already traveling around the globe. :(

It all underscores the urgent need to get more vaccines out to the rest of the world. :(
It really does.
 

Judy

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I have a friend who is in week 6 of an 8 week trip to South Africa.

I know to get there she flew DC to London to SA. I don't know what her return flight plan is but I'm worried, not that she'll get sick but that she'll have a nightmare time getting home or will have to quarantine on some leg of the trip.

She wouldn't even be able to quarantine easily back home since she loaned her house to someone and extended the invitation to after she returns.

I don't know what the hell she's going to do. I want to email her some frantic warning but there's no way she doesn't know what's happening. She spent 6 weeks doing volunteer work and the final 2 weeks are scheduled for a safari. She's been looking forward to this trip for years, especially since it couldn't happen last year.
Hopefully she is ok.
 

missing

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If my friend can get a non-stop SA to US flight she should be all right. I wish I knew what her flight plans are because my guess is Americans who were planning to travel with a stopover in the UK (or maybe some other European country) will be trying frantically to reschedule onto a non-stop to the US.

 

once_upon

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I'm not sure travel bans really seem to work, though ... so far, it seems like by the time we learn of a new variant, it's too late and it's already traveling around the globe. :(

It all underscores the urgent need to get more vaccines out to the rest of the world. :(
I agree. It's very unlikely that the very first case of the new variant presents in isolation or in immediate discovery.

We desperately need a global vaccinated population. Everywhere
 

Judy

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More about the new variant:


Britain, Israel, and other countries are moving to ban travel from southern Africa, but the U.S. has not done anything yet.

I'm not sure travel bans really seem to work, though ... so far, it seems like by the time we learn of a new variant, it's too late and it's already traveling around the globe. :(

It all underscores the urgent need to get more vaccines out to the rest of the world. :(
Well for Canada it sure was fast. We have been very slow before.
 

ballettmaus

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Variants are more likely to develop in the immunocompromised. Even if the US doesn’t have a great overall vax rate I imagine most of those at high risk have gotten protected (at least I’d hope so). Also access to treatment if infected is much higher in the US vs. developing countries.
Didn't know that but that makes sense.

Overall, I find this news very frustrating. Each time we get some relief, we learn of a new variant. First it was Delta shortly after the vaccines and now it's the new variant shortly after the boosters. It feels like we're playing catch-up with the vaccines instead of getting out in front of it. (Which is probably impossible but that doesn't make it less frustrating).
 

Frau Muller

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I believe that new measures will be coming soon from the CDC/US Gvt. They’re likely waiting for the current holiday weekend to end…folks to return to their homes & for President Biden and others in the admin to be back to work. Some of my work-related travel to Africa & Europe was just put on hold this morning.
 

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