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skatfan

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Delta is still surging in our county. Sigh. My personal trainer who got ********* is still quarantined until at least midweek.

 

Dobre

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New Mexico has now given enough doses to cover 70% of the total population.

Per Bloomberg, Ecuador, Argentina, Brazil, Panama, and El Salvador have now given enough doses to cover 60% of the total population. Morocco also. It says Cuba has now given enough doses to cover over 100% of its total population. Mongolia, Malaysia, and Cambodia are over 70%.

Per the Washington Post, Oklahoma now has 70% of adults with at least one dose.
 

once_upon

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How does Cuba give enough vaccinations to cover over 100% of its population? Are there no children or infants in the country? And how do you cover over 100% of the population? Are they immunizing tourists?
 

Vagabond

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How does Cuba give enough vaccinations to cover over 100% of its population? Are there no children or infants in the country? And how do you cover over 100% of the population? Are they immunizing tourists?
Cuba produces its own vaccine. I hope they donate any surplus to countries that could use it.
 

Louis

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New York Times "The Morning"

The New York Times seems to have (finally) seen the light re: C19. In addition to acknowledging that most C19 policy is a fable, the NYT is now (also finally) confirming that the age skew of C19 is real and children are at no more risk from C19 than from most ordinary illnesses. Vaccinated over-65s have risk levels similar to a car crash.

Time to stop the fear mongering, bin the masks if you so choose, get back to work, and get back to living! :cheer: :cheer2: Those who are "too afraid" to go back to work, etc. until children are vaccinated are simply lying to themselves.

The article also contains an interesting and balanced view of whether we should vaccinate children.

Select quotes, backed up by hard data:

An unvaccinated child is at less risk of serious ********* illness than a vaccinated 70-year-old.

Emily Oster, an economist at Brown University who frequently writes about parenting, published an article in The Atlantic in March that made a lot of people angry. The headline was, “Your Unvaccinated Kid Is Like a Vaccinated Grandma.” The article argued that *********-19 tended to be so mild in children that vaccinated parents could feel comfortable going out in the world with their unvaccinated children.​
Critics called the article insensitive and misleading, saying it understated the risks that children could both get sick and spread the *****. Oster responded on her website with a note standing by her main argument but apologizing particularly for the headline’s lack of nuance. Her critics seemed somewhat vindicated.​
Seven months later, with a lot more ********* data available, the debate over the article looks quite different.​
Oster is the one who has largely been vindicated. If anything, subsequent data indicates she did not go far enough in describing the age skew of *********. Today, an accurate version of her headline might be: “Your Unvaccinated Kid Is Much Safer Than a Vaccinated Grandma.”​
“********* is a threat to children. But it’s not an extraordinary threat,” Dr. Alasdair Munro, a pediatric infectious-disease specialist at the University of Southampton, has written. “It’s very ordinary. In general, the risks from being infected are similar to the other respiratory viruses you probably don’t think much about."​
David Wallace-Wells has argued in New York Magazine that despite the widespread discussion of *********’s outsize impact on the old, most people are “hugely underestimating” how large the age skew truly is.​
Different elderly people will respond to the risks in different ways, and that’s OK. Some may decide to be extremely cautious until caseloads fall to low levels. Others — especially those without major health problems — may reasonably choose to travel, see friends and live their lives. The risks are not zero, but they are quite low. And few parts of life pose zero risk.​
As a point of comparison, the annual risk of death for all vaccinated people over 65 in Seattle this year appears to be around 1 in 2,700. The annual average risk that an American dies in a vehicle crash is lower — about 1 in 8,500 — but not a different order of magnitude.​
For children without a serious medical condition, the danger of severe ********* is so low as to be difficult to quantify. For children with such a condition, the danger is higher but still lower than many people believe. The risk of long ********* among children — a source of fear among many parents — also appears to be very low.​
 

skatingguy

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New York Times "The Morning"

The New York Times seems to have (finally) seen the light re: C19. In addition to acknowledging that most C19 policy is a fable, the NYT is now (also finally) confirming that the age skew of C19 is real and children are at no more risk from C19 than from most ordinary illnesses. Vaccinated over-65s have risk levels similar to a car crash.

Time to stop the fear mongering, bin the masks if you so choose, get back to work, and get back to living! :cheer: :cheer2: Those who are "too afraid" to go back to work, etc. until children are vaccinated are simply lying to themselves.

The article also contains an interesting and balanced view of whether we should vaccinate children.

Select quotes, backed up by hard data:
That's great kids are at a low risk. I don't think that's really new information, and doesn't seem to change any of the public health measures we've been taking for the past year because protecting children was never the priority. The public health measures have always been about protecting capacity in the health care system. The risk at this time varies quite a bit across the globe with some areas in good shape, some heading in the right direction, and some dealing with the worst outbreaks yet, so public health measures will need to continue until we can ensure that lifting them won't threaten health care capacity.
 

Dobre

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Schools here are continuing to experience high rates of student & staff absences due to exposures. Loosened safety protocols at the start of the school year continue to be tightened. (At least one of the schools is now back to requiring masks on the playground. They weren't doing this in September. It is in response to the challenges the district is facing in trying to keep buildings open).
 

Susan1

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On the noon news today, they mentioned the two school employees who died within a week of each other of c.v. Yesterday and tonight they are showing baseball movies at the revamped theater in the one coach's honor. Donations accepted. They interviewed another coach who said how great the community was at coming together. Ha. They had the big fight at the school board meeting AFTER these two people died about kids not wearing masks. Come together? Only for entertainment.
 

Buzz

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Today’s new case number is 390 which is better than it has been in quite a while. And although cinemas can now open at 100% I have noticed that capacity has not changed. When Shang Chi first opened patrons were widely spaced out, but for Bond we were only one seat apart. That is how it stands right now. We’ll see by the time Eternals rolls around if anything will change.
 

Dobre

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Oregon reported 82 deaths today, another new high by quite a bit, partially due to "data reconciliation." Hospitalizations are down to 585, first time below 600 in quite a while. Hospitals still 93% full. 1,413 new cases. New & 2nd dose vaccinations look way down. The total vaccination numbers are good but mostly for 3rd shots. Umatilla County reported over 90 cases today & yesterday. One of those includes the weekend, but one does not so the jury is out on whether the county is on its way down after the Roundup or not. Wheeler County reported another 11 cases over the weekend & none today so about 23 cases for them in their outbreak. No word yet on what caused it.
 

Prancer

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That's great kids are at a low risk. I don't think that's really new information, and doesn't seem to change any of the public health measures we've been taking for the past year because protecting children was never the priority.
Yep. The issue with children is not that they will DIE OMG, it's that they spread disease through communities.

AFAIK, that's been the operating principle pretty much all along.

It is known that children are the primary spreaders of flu, which is what the operating principle is based on. But how much and to what degree children spread ********* is not clear.

I have never noticed that the NYT wasn't informed on this, but I think I read different parts of the NYT than Louis does.
 

Dobre

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I can't access the San Francisco Chronicle, but maybe some of you can access it. (The link is embedded).


How ********* affects the brain: Bay Area doctors hunt for answers
"A new study offers the worrisome suggestion that the ******** not only can shrink the brain, but also reduce 'gray matter thickness,' damage tissue in areas associated with the sense of smell, and cause more than 60 other long-term changes"
 

once_upon

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You know, after spending the weekend with @suep1963 and @purple skates - frankly I don't care/give a fcuk if I need to wear a mask to get to the lakehouse, I will do it a zillion times over just to see them again.

Be anti mask if you want. I just want to see friends and travel again. I'll protect you (anti maskers and anti vaxxers no matter what for the privilege of seeing my friends and traveling again.
 
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Vagabond

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I can't access the San Francisco Chronicle, but maybe some of you can access it. (The link is embedded).

“In the general population, it is normal to see some change in gray matter volume or thickness over time as people age, but the changes were larger than normal in those who had been infected with *********-19,” Jessica Bernard, a cognitive neuroscientist at Texas A&M who was not involved with the study, wrote in an essay reprinted last month in Scientific American.

Bernard noted that the affected brain regions were “all linked to the olfactory bulb,” which sends signals from the nose to the brain. It also connects to the temporal lobe, home of the hippocampus — which is key to memory and cognition.

She and other scientists declined to draw conclusions from the preliminary study. But Bernard said other research has pointed to a link between a reduced sense of smell and Alzheimer’s disease — making the new study that much more intriguing.
 

SkateSand

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We just have a very active group of malcontents who are keen to disrupt as much of local government as possible. But they had a little setback so there is some hope for the county. Despite big out of state money hiring a big shot attorney to defend these malcontents in court, a jury mostly sided with the BLM activist and rendered guilty verdicts on all counts (assault and disturbing the peace) except for one count for the guy who directed the assault, but did not participate in it except for tossing a drink at the BLM activist. Sentencing has been delayed thanks to big bucks lawyer, but that should be interesting, too.
 

Susan1

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Buzz

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The Resturant industry here is really upset because capacity restrictions were lifted for other types of businesses but not theirs. They had a meeting with a government minister who did not show up which also isn’t sitting well. We’ll see what happens.
 

million$momma

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The Resturant industry here is really upset because capacity restrictions were lifted for other types of businesses but not theirs. They had a meeting with a government minister who did not show up which also isn’t sitting well. We’ll see what happens.
To me the capacity increases make sense. The indoor places where your mask is off still have restrictions.
 

Susan1

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Again, they were so excited Monday when cases were below 3,000. They just go back up.

"As of Wednesday, Oct. 13, the state is reporting a total of 1,480,371 (+5,648) total cases since the start of the *********, leading to 76,289 (+385) hospitalizations and 9,744 (+33) ICU admissions.

The Department of Health reported 202 deaths Tuesday, bringing the total to 23,021. The state is updating the number only after death certificates have been processed, usually twice a week.

The number of cases reported Monday are the lowest in three weeks, and the 21-day case average is now below 5,500."
 

mackiecat

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Again, they were so excited Monday when cases were below 3,000. They just go back up.

"As of Wednesday, Oct. 13, the state is reporting a total of 1,480,371 (+5,648) total cases since the start of the *********, leading to 76,289 (+385) hospitalizations and 9,744 (+33) ICU admissions.

The Department of Health reported 202 deaths Tuesday, bringing the total to 23,021. The state is updating the number only after death certificates have been processed, usually twice a week.

The number of cases reported Monday are the lowest in three weeks, and the 21-day case average is now below 5,500."
What state is this? Those are frightening numbers
 

mackiecat

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Wow Ontario has a few million more residents then Ohio and had 309 cases yesterday ( 12 deaths) I can only imagine the carnage your state is going through. Do you have mask and vaccine mandates? @maureenfarone
Ontario is only in a staged reopening with capacity limits, mask mandate for most Indoor setting, vaccines required for dining, theatre, sports events and lots of employments require also
 

Susan1

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What state is this? Those are frightening numbers
Sorry, I usually specify Ohio if it's not already mentioned, or I'm not linking a whole article. We've always been on the high side. As soon as we got down to 50 in 100K for 5 minutes and they took all the mandates off, numbers started going back up. Duh.

59.8% of people 12 and over have completed their vaccines though (per our dashboard, other places might say different). That's kind of good. Better than the national average.
 

Susan1

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Wow Ontario has a few million more residents then Ohio and had 309 cases yesterday ( 12 deaths) I can only imagine the carnage your state is going through. Do you have mask and vaccine mandates? @maureenfarone
Ontario is only in a staged reopening with capacity limits, mask mandate for most Indoor setting, vaccines required for dining, theatre, sports events and lots of employments require also
I was here, so I'll answer. No. The GOP legislature is constantly trying to get rid of everything that helps keep us safe. Stores have signs "asking" customers to wear a mask. Almost all of the workers I have seen places are wearing them. Walgreen's is the only place I've been (and I don't go that many places) that still has the circles on the floor. There are signs "asking" people to be courteous of others. Good luck with that.

I was just in the library yesterday. They were closed LAST March 13 till some time in June 2020, then went to curbside, then went to quarantining anything that was touched and blocking off every other checkout. Then in the spring dropped all that, then dropped masks, a couple weeks later it was back to asking to wear masks. A couple weeks later, there was a sign masks required. Yesterday, a lady walked in and one of the people who worked there came running over and said she needed to wear a mask. They used to keep them up by the door with the sanitizing station, but she had to go back to the desk in the middle of the room to get one for her. There are fights at school board meetings because parents want their kids to have freedom. EVEN AFTER a nutrition services person and a baseball coach here died within a week of each other. Big cities have reinstituted mask mandates in their buildings.

I just heard about this the other day -
"In accordance with the city of Dayton mask mandate, masks will continue to be required inside all Dayton Live venues for patrons 6 and over. Starting October 1, 2021, patrons 12 and over attending performances at Dayton Live venues will also be required to provide proof of being fully vaccinated or a negative *********-19 test for entry. “Fully vaccinated” means that on the date of the performance, a guest has received their second dose of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine, or their single dose of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, at least 14 days prior. Health and safety policies will continue to be regularly evaluated and adjusted based on community health data, and public health and government guidance."

Restaurants and bars, not so much. Lots of outdoor things that were cancelled last year are going on this year maskless. And the numbers go down over the weekend (not as much testing) and newspeople get excited, then they go back up during the week. Ohio.
 

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Wow Ontario has a few million more residents then Ohio and had 309 cases yesterday ( 12 deaths) I can only imagine the carnage your state is going through. Do you have mask and vaccine mandates? @maureenfarone
Ontario is only in a staged reopening with capacity limits, mask mandate for most Indoor setting, vaccines required for dining, theatre, sports events and lots of employments require also
Actually Gov. DeWine was really good at the start of things (early 2020) with closing schools and prioritizing health care workers, first responders, older people in congregate settings with vaccinations. Many businesses were closed, masks required in those that were open plus social distancing. Things started opening up and the mandates went away. This year delta came along but the Gov. couldn't implement any mandates because the Ohio General Assembly took away almost all of his power. Masks in schools were left up to the local districts and there have been many arguments. Stores sometimes have signs requesting shoppers to wear masks but most of the employees aren't wearing masks so most shoppers don't wear them either. I've been shopping mostly at a bigger, more expensive grocery store at 6:15 in the morning. I am wearing a mask and the chain (Giant Eagle) requires all employees and suppliers to wear masks. This is the only place I've been in the last 6 months that actually seems somewhat safe to me.

As @Susan1 pointed out, the Ohio dashboard says almost 60% are fully vaccinated but most other sources only show Ohio around 50% fully vaccinated. She has done a great job keeping all of us updated and I really appreciate it. Sorry if I am ranting and raving but I am sick and tired of shopping 10 minutes after stores open so that there aren't many shoppers. I needed tires for my car and knew I would have to wait an hour or so and during that time only 1 person came in the tire store wearing a mask. None of the customer service people or mechanics who came in wore masks. I was wearing 2 masks.

Sorry for this overlong post! Thank goodness for the figure skating comps being streamed or I would lose my mind!
 

mackiecat

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@maureenfarone and @Susan1 that must be very frustrating. Ontario has a much higher vaccine rate (82.3% of age 12+) than Ohio. It is unbelievable that people can’t put two and two together and realize that vaccines plus masking plus social distance is the way to fight this disease. We have our anti-maskers/vaccinators here too and it is so annoying
 
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Judy

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You know, after spending the weekend with @suep1963 and @purple skates - frankly I don't care/give a fcuk if I need to wear a mask to get to the lakehouse, I will do it a zillion times over just to see them again.

Be anti mask if you want. I just want to see friends and travel again. I'll protect you (anti maskers and anti vaxxers no matter what for the privilege of seeing my friends and traveling again.
I am bonded with my mask 😁.
 

skatingguy

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Not sure if this has been posted before, but this documentary recaps the events on board the Diamond Princess. It touches on a number of issues the most serious of which seems to be the treatment of cruise ship workers during the *********, and in general. It's an issue that seems to have fallen of the radar, but now that the cruise industry is restarting it really deserves more attention.

 

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