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Theatregirl1122

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@Louis you may not mean it to sound this way, but it looks like you're saying, "It's mostly killing old people, so who cares?" Since my parents fall in that age group and my dad's health is pretty fragile, well, I'd like to keep him safe, you know?

You know, when someone shows me who they are, I like to believe them. Louis sounds like he doesn’t care if old people die, because he… doesn’t. He’s made that pretty clear.

Although I can’t imagine why he’s forgotten how to calculate a median. :unsure: Could it be politically motivated instead of health (or fact) based?
 

once_upon

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@Dobre we got 2 quick nasal swab c0vid tests in a single package for $20 at Sam's. Although last week we tried to get a couple more test kits and they were sold out.
 

Dobre

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@Dobre we got 2 quick nasal swab c0vid tests in a single package for $20 at Sam's.
Well that sounds much closer to the cost I was thinking might be affordable. (We do not have Sam's here). I was told that the Rite Aid is selling tests, but when I checked their website, what I found was for $100. Probably the affordable tests are just sold out, like affordable thermometers were last March. I found a bunch of affordable thermometers when I was looking today so at least I will resolve that issue. Like half the world, I realized that my thermometer was dead when I checked it last spring.
 

maureenfarone

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@Dobre check walgreens.com. I'm in Ohio but I can order online and they have a couple of tests to use at home that are $23.99. Here is a link - sorry it isn't working.
 

Dobre

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Progress underway at American Airlines:

Unvaccinated employees ‘will not be able to work at American Airlines’ due to federal mandate​


The CEO and president of Fort Worth-based American Airlines said that employees won't be able to opt out for testing.
 

canbelto

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So a teacher who quit bc of the vaccine mandate had this to say:

Ivy Lin you’re an anti commonsenser. Hopefully the government doesn’t start telling people that if they jump off a building they will never get the *****. At least there’s more truth to that. Just because you don’t agree with taking an experimental vaccine doesn’t make you an anti-vaxxer. Running to put a poorly studied vaccine in your body does show that you might lack common sense though. Last I heard you were on here because you had a breakthrough.
Enjoy working your but off for a system that can care less about you. Normally I wouldn’t brag but I honestly worked out of interest not necessity. I am wayyy younger than you and have several investment properties that generate more money than any teacher salary will and my fiancé is making more money than any too salary teacher. The difference is that I put my health first. Good luck in dirty classroom with over 30 students, many of which I’m sure are unvaccinated.
 

Dobre

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Also, the update on United Airlines and its vaccine mandate is that only 1% of employees were ultimately listed for termination due to refusal & then half of that 1% got vaccinated.

:)Well done, United.

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I know some of the school districts here (on the rural side of my state) are worried that they will be the ones facing an outsized number of people who resign. But I also know at least some of the local personalities threatening to do so, and I don't see it happening in any of those cases. They're trying to exercise power. They might find a way to get themselves an exemption rather than give in, but it's like high school senioritis. They're butting heads to show that no one has an easy path to control over them. But, yes, the state government does because it's paying them; and that's why they have degrees & have kept their certificates up-to-date, & studied & passed their state tests. And for the same reason, they will ultimately go get themselves vaccinated or get exempted via some legal means. After giving everyone who bothered to listen to them a royal headache for a few months. In fact, if they were to leave their jobs, retention of other workers in the same work places might go up because there would be less of an intimidation problem at work so, as I see it, the school districts will come out of this fine either way.
 
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Buzz

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I saw one of those load stupid anti masking, anti vaccine etc protests March past me on Yonge earlier today. For the most part they did not get a warm welcome. I was surprised they were allowed to do this in the busy downtown area and blocking traffic on a day the subway was also not working. There was probably a couple hundred of them.
 

misskarne

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The case numbers have taken a saddening jump in my little territory in the last few days, but today's vaccination rates made me smile:

92% first dose! 65% double dose. They expect us to reach 80% before our lockdown ends on October 15. :) We cannot, for obvious reasons, get to 100%, but we are going to get mighty close, I should think.

International borders are looking to reopen in November, when nationally we should reach 80% double dosed. Travellers will need to be double vaxxed with an approved vaccine and quarantine for 7 days in their own home or an approved hotel room.

But just to add to the stupidity....apparently the Australian Open organisers don't want to have a vaccine mandate for tennis players because they're worried they'll scare off fcuking Novax Djocovid.
 

Prancer

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So yesterday was the last day for the 5% of NYC teachers who refused to get vaccinated.

On my FB group, you would have thought that the entire NYC DOE was resigning en masse, as the anti-vaxxers have overtaken that entire page.

In reality, 95% of teachers ended up getting the vaccine. But the 5% make all the noise.

Similar to the nBA.
I just read an article about this the other day; the claim was that if you read headlines, you'd think people were refusing to get vaccinated in huge numbers and crippling the companies they work for, but that's just not the case.
So a teacher who quit bc of the vaccine mandate had this to say: Good luck in dirty classroom with over 30 students, many of which I’m sure are unvaccinated.
All the more reason to be vaccinated! I am lucky that I have a choice in the matter, but there is no way I would have gone back on campus this fall without being vaccinated first.
 

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Interview with the coroner in Ada County, Idaho:

Third Alaska hospital invokes crisis care mode in ********* spike​

Fairbanks, Alaska

‘I have no beds’: Hospitalizations spike in rural Washington amid fifth *********-19 wave​

Wenatchee, WA

Montana hospital ICU reaches 150% capacity amid surge of *********-19 cases​

Billings, Montana

Hospital capacity in North Dakota reaching 'critical' levels, state and medical leaders say

 

Dobre

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Photo of the C*vid-19 Memorial on the National Mall:

In D.C., 695,000 Flags—and Counting—Memorialize the Americans Who Have Died of *********-19​

Article on the memorial & photos of personal messages of dedication on some of the flags honoring the dead.
 
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MsZem

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The case numbers have taken a saddening jump in my little territory in the last few days, but today's vaccination rates made me smile:

92% first dose! 65% double dose. They expect us to reach 80% before our lockdown ends on October 15. :) We cannot, for obvious reasons, get to 100%, but we are going to get mighty close, I should think.
I'm guessing this is out of those eligible and not the total population? Unless Australia has very few children...

International borders are looking to reopen in November, when nationally we should reach 80% double dosed. Travellers will need to be double vaxxed with an approved vaccine and quarantine for 7 days in their own home or an approved hotel room.
It's good that you won't have to deal with long lockdowns once enough people are vaccinated, and that people will be able to come home. I'm guessing the reopened borders aren't meant to attract non-Australians given quarantine is still required upon entry? But my friend who lives in Melbourne will finally be able to visit friends and family in Israel, after several years away :)
 

misskarne

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I'm guessing this is out of those eligible and not the total population? Unless Australia has very few children...
Ah, yes. 12+ population.
It's good that you won't have to deal with long lockdowns once enough people are vaccinated, and that people will be able to come home. I'm guessing the reopened borders aren't meant to attract non-Australians given quarantine is still required upon entry? But my friend who lives in Melbourne will finally be able to visit friends and family in Israel, after several years away :)
It will allow non-Australians, who have approved vaccines. They will still have to quarantine, but only for the 7 days rather than 14, and in a home is an option rather than the hotel rooms.
 

MsZem

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It will allow non-Australians, who have approved vaccines. They will still have to quarantine, but only for the 7 days rather than 14, and in a home is an option rather than the hotel rooms.
I'd rather travel places that don't require quarantine at all ;)
 

Hedwig

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@Dobre , in the beginning a home test kit cost about 5€ here. Now one test can be bought by about 1€ if you buy them in bulk (I bought about 100 recently)
I am sure that they will get less expensive when demand raises and production picks up!

My son is testet three times a week but there the rapid tests are provided by the government via his school teacher.
 

skatingguy

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@Louis you may not mean it to sound this way, but it looks like you're saying, "It's mostly killing old people, so who cares?" Since my parents fall in that age group and my dad's health is pretty fragile, well, I'd like to keep him safe, you know?

Here are the most recent stats I could find, which, uh, well, the link thingy isn't working for me.
And just a few days ago he posting a link regarding the excess deaths caused as a result of the consequences of the disease on the health system & people's willingness to seek treatment in UK, so it's strange to be concerned about the deaths that result from the impact of the *****, but blase about the deaths directly caused by the *****.
 

skategal

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It’s not just death though, there will be a big impact on society with respect to disability from people having had CV and experiencing long term effects such as organ damage as well as damage to the health care system from it being stressed so far for so long.
 

clairecloutier

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A pediatrician’s viewpoint on how the “wellness” culture links into anti-vaccination ideology:

https://www.thecut.com/2021/09/hosp...945.603775300.1633260272-904209631.1630852342
 

Debdelilah2

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It’s also 0.2% of the US population with a median age of 82.



Exactly right! :cheer: :cheer2:
So, one in every 500 people died. Not of people who got *********, but of everyone, 1 in 500. Doesn’t count people who got sick/hospitalized and didn’t die. That is a lot of people. Risk of being struck by lightning in any given year is 1 in 500,000, in contrast.
Risk of getting Guillain-Barré from any cause flu shot or otherwise is about 1 in 150,000. And just from the flu shot, 1 in 1,000,000.
Anything 1 in 1000 or likelier is considered moderate risk. 1 in 100, high risk.
 
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MsZem

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It’s also 0.2% of the US population with a median age of 82.
Many of those who died of CV were indeed older, and may not have had great quality of life. But there are plenty of older people who have wonderful, fulfilling lives. And even those who aren't as fortunate don't deserve a lonely death like this one.

So, one in every 500 people died. Not of people who got *********, but of everyone, 1 in 500. Doesn’t count people who got sick/hospitalized and didn’t die. That is a lot of people.
I mean, the proportion of the population who died in Vietnam or on 9/11 was much smaller, and nobody's going to argue that the impact of those events was minimal.
 

Prancer

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It’s not just death though, there will be a big impact on society with respect to disability from people having had CV and experiencing long term effects such as organ damage as well as damage to the health care system from it being stressed so far for so long.
I posted a while back about one of the more vocal anti-vaxxers at my husband's workplace having *********. He has recovered from the plague, but his liver is pretty messed up.

He has converted and is telling everyone at the office to get vaccinated. I guess some people have to be so sick they are hospitalized themselves before they can believe that other people get sick.

Re the median age of people dying of ********* in the US:

IT IS NOW well-known that, although *********-19 can strike even the very young, older folk face the greatest risk. In hard-hit rich countries, about 60% of all deaths from the disease are among people aged 80 and over. America, however, is an exception. Data released on June 16th by the Centres for Disease Control (CDC) show that the country’s death toll skews significantly younger. There, people in their 80s account for less than half of all *********-19 deaths; people in their 40s, 50s and 60s, meanwhile, account for a significantly larger share of those who die. The median *********-19 sufferer in America is a 48-year-old; in Italy it is a 63-year-old.

I've seen a few estimates of the median age of people dying of ********* in the US; the range is from 75-78. But perhaps someone has better statistics. The median age has been dropping since Delta arrived; younger people are dying from the variant. Old people are mostly vaccinated.

Ah, I hear some saying, but that's still old and nearly AS old and right about life expectancy--but only if you count life expectancy from birth. People who live to be 65 actually have a life expectancy of 90.
 

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