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MsZem

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Like is it too much to ask an elected official, who is paid in excess of a half a million dollars a YEAR to try and be helpful to the people she screwed over with her poor choices? I don't think she should be allowed to get away with it, but she does and she never learns and we just kept getting screwed over.
As I wrote in my previous post, elected leaders in other places don't seem to be doing daily press conferences. They do them when there's something important to announce, or on an occasional basis, and leave the rest to the people whose job it is to communicate with the public, or to those with relevant expertise in the subject matter.

You don't need your Premier giving daily pressers to get information to the public on any topic. I'm sure people can understand information from the other sources I mentioned and the media can cover them. That's working nicely in New Zealand.

ETA: people who don't speak English would likely benefit more from information in their own language and visual communication, such as infographics.
 
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anonymoose_au

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As I wrote in my previous post, elected leaders in other places don't seem to be doing daily press conferences.
I assume those leaders are probably actually doing something to try and control the situation rather than just throw up their hands and be "Oh well, I'm vaccinated, rich and will be fine. The rest of you can sought it out yourselves." Rumour abound that the reason our Premier is doing this is because she's about to get grilled by the Independent Commission Against Corruption and she has to shred all the incriminating paperwork (as she did last time) to avoid getting her just desserts. So I wouldn't try and make excuses for her, she's a crook through and through and I hope her house of cards falls around her ears.
 

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Jerk -
 

skategal

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There are many ways to get relevant information to the public without doing daily press conferences.

Are leaders in other countries doing them? I've seen occasional ones, but not daily pressers. Those are usually done by press secretaries or relevant officials.


Canada (Federal level) did them.

Right at the beginning of it all - March 2020 it was daily.

Then changed to about 2-3 times a week and then weekly.

They stopped for a bit during the election campaign (voting day is Sept 20) but started again two weeks ago due to criticism that they weren't happening.

Provinces were between 1-3 times a week.

My province was about 3 times a week during times of high case loads. Less than once a week now (just as needed) because cases are so low.
 

MsZem

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Canada (Federal level) did them.
Justin Trudeau was doing daily press conferences giving CV-related information? Or provincial elected officials?

Even Jacinda Ardern isn't doing daily ones at the moment, despite New Zealand having its most serious outbreak in some time.
 

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Justin Trudeau did daily press conferences for the first 4 months or so (March to July 2020). So did Doug Ford, premier of Ontario (and I believe most other provincial premiers, but I live in Ontario). Then it shifted to several times a week, but more often led by the chief medical officer of health (not an elected position) or a minister or elected official if there was an announcement related to their field (Minister of Health, Education, etc). Now we get announcements when there’s something to announce, but most information is distributed via public health units and local media.
 

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Justin Trudeau did daily press conferences for the first 4 months or so (March to July 2020). So did Doug Ford, premier of Ontario (and I believe most other provincial premiers, but I live in Ontario). Then it shifted to several times a week, but more often led by the chief medical officer of health (not an elected position) or a minister or elected official if there was an announcement related to their field (Minister of Health, Education, etc). Now we get announcements when there’s something to announce, but most information is distributed via public health units and local media.
Wow. I always miss the Canadian stuff...

Daily press conferences from people at that level strike me as excessive, and I certainly wouldn't have wanted to see Bibi Netanyahu every day for that long last year :lol: The bolded part seems quite sufficient at this point.
 

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Justin Trudeau was doing daily press conferences giving CV-related information? Or provincial elected officials?

Even Jacinda Ardern isn't doing daily ones at the moment, despite New Zealand having its most serious outbreak in some time.
Justin Trudeau and his officials started doing it at the Federal level every day at the beginning of CV.

His updates dropped off at some point and became as needed but the officials (Health minister, procurement minister and head of Public Agency continued weekly).

Provincial updates have been regular as well. We are down to as needed now as cases are so low but it started at 3 times a week, then went to 2 times a week, then once a week. They tend to ramp back up in times of high cases.

Our provincial leader (Premier) and Chief Medical Officer of Health give the updates jointly.
 

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In Germany in bad phases there was a weekly press conference by the leader of our national health institute and our health minister.
Thankfully no daily press conferences from politicians. Angela Merkel held two motivational speeches over the whole *********, which I guess is a lot for her standards :lol:

Otherwise Angela Merkel met every 4-8 weeks with the state leaders to decide on things, then they bickered at each other for a whole day and night, agreed on something, then everybody went back to their state and did whatever they want instead.
The last meeting was a few weeks ago to determine school quarantine rules for the whole of Germany, so far 4 of 16 states decided to do something else.

I was in Heidelberg yesterday, which was insanely crowded, the vaccine passport check at the castle was done by some about 80 year old guy with a mask under his nose :shuffle: Well hopefully he was vaccinated. In the restaurant we ate outdoor the vaccine passport check consisted of the guy asking "is everybody tested or vaccinated?" before indoor entry.

I'm always amazed that things here always still better than in other countries:rofl:

And when I see people in crowds, I honestly think the vaccines must work very well indeed.
 

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I'm the beginning, Trump, Fauci, Birks and various people from CDC did daily conferences around 4 or 5 pm. Then they started to be campaign rallies and media like MSNBC would stay on until it got be a rah, rah political tirade.

Comeno (NY state) Did a daily press conference at 10 am - which had lots of raw data very useful.

Ricketts (Nebraska) and the state medical director did daily conferences at 2 pm. Frequency went to Tues/Thursday at sometime then weekly - but those began to be more rah-rah stuff not C-19.

Reynolds (Iowa) and state medical diector did daily press conferences at 11 am. Went to weekly at sometime and more political rah-rah stuff.

Newsom (CA) did daily press conferences-not sure what time.

Ohio Governor did daily press (Susan1 would report on)

Whitmore (Michigan) did daily press conferences.

Not sure of other state Governors practices.

At some point, probably around Sept 2020, most state Governors went back to the usual weekly press conferences that had been the pre C-19 practice.
 

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We had 784 new cases today which is slightly lower than it’s been the last couple days with 6 new deaths.
 

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I was in Heidelberg yesterday, which was insanely crowded, the vaccine passport check at the castle was done by some about 80 year old guy with a mask under his nose :shuffle: Well hopefully he was vaccinated. In the restaurant we ate outdoor the vaccine passport check consisted of the guy asking "is everybody tested or vaccinated?" before indoor entry.

I'm always amazed that things here always still better than in other countries:rofl:

And when I see people in crowds, I honestly think the vaccines must work very well indeed.
My husband was in the emergency room yesterday after an accident in the swimming pool (he is fine now) and in the ambulance and in the hospital they only asked him if he was vaccinated and when he wanted to show the proof on his mobile they all declined - not necessary. :lol:


today we had one maskless man in the tram who then went and stood right next of my (of course unvaccinated) 8 year old :mad: - at least he went away when my husband called him and and told him to keep his distance if he cannot be bothered to wear a mask. :rolleyes:
 

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Following the deaths of two teachers, a school district in Texas mandates masks.

(CNN)A Texas school district that closed for a week after two junior high school teachers died from *********-19 within a few days, is now requiring masks inside all of its facilities as the community is seeing surge of new cases, hospitalizations and deaths.

Connally ISD, in McLennan County, shut down all of its campuses on August 31 due to an increase of *********-19 cases and rising absences by students and staff...

During the closure, the district provided counselors to help students cope with the loss of their teachers and facilitated testing for students, district employees and the community.

"Nearly 600 people participated in the two-day event with an overall positivity rate of 16.3%. Many of those identified as positive for the ***** were asymptomatic," Holt wrote...

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott issued an executive order in May banning mask mandates, but a number of districts have defied or tried to sidestep the order and are requiring masks.

The local mask mandates have triggered legal battles in state courts.

In a Facebook post on Tuesday, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said he would sue school districts in court over the mandates.



 

Susan1

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from my city's chat page -
"Monday morning protests outside of all Miamisburg City Schools!
Unmask and Unmuzzle your children!
Bring your kids and bring your signs! There is also a district meeting in the evening.
I'll be out front of the high school with a sign bright and early at 6:30 a.m.
We will leave shortly after 7:20 for Miamisburg Highschool to Resume it's daily routine we will not Hinder the ability of children to learn.
We will be parking around local streets and walking to the front of Miamisburg Highschool where the entrances are too the building. I will be on the sidewalk as a courtesy, but you are welcome to be on school property since it is public property."


I wonder who hindered his ability to learn? But really, if they wear masks, they won't have to have kids learn from home. How hard is that to understand. On some news channel, some woman said people were trying to close down the public schools. Well, if all your teachers and/or kids are out sick or dead, you won't need a school, huh? I haven't even read the 123 comments yet.
 
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My sister in law’s dad came to visit last weekend. With a “cold”. Found out today he tested positive for ********* :rolleyes: Apparently test results in Northern Alberta are taking awhile. My brother’s family has had zero symptoms thankfully, even in the unvaccinated kids but so dumb that he even came. He is one case though, that I expect being fully vaccinated saved his life. He’s morbidly obese and has a plethora of health issues. He’s extremely high risk by any metric and he really only had run of the mill cold symptoms.
 

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I just got back from volunteering at an Ironman event. Ironman started their events back up pretty early and the only concession to CV is that the aid stations were "self-serve". No masks, no social distancing.

One thing that was interesting about the self-serve aid station is that normally we have several kinds of fruit and the volunteers cut them up into pieces. They also sometimes cut the bars in half. This time there were only bananas, whole. No other fruit, no cutting of anything. Yet, they had us put chips in paper cups and pretzels in paper cups just like normal. 🤷‍♀️

We also poured out the water, Gatorade, Coke, and Red Bull into paper cups like normal. The only difference is that we didn't hand them out. People had to come pick up their own cups.

There was also more hand sanitizer and we actually used it and people all used the plastic gloves too. I don't think we ever used to wear them to pour drinks, just cut up the fruit.

They did limit capacity to the event. Usually, they have around 2500 slots and rarely sell out but this time they had limited spots and did sell out. Then the rules changed, they opened up more slots, and those sold out. No one seemed to know how many slots but based on prior years and also the years before this became an Ironman race, I'd say there were probably about 1500 athletes tops.
 

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West Virginia has a new average high for cases & a new high for patients in the ICU.

Texas A&M sophomore dies from *********-19 complications​


Child deaths from ********* double in Florida as cases among children climb across the country​


Despite early jump on *********-19, (Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla Indian Reservation) tribes lose a brother and a son​

This article also covers many of the steps that the tribes on the reservation have taken throughout the course of the *********. There's nothing here about their plans for the Roundup.

What’s the Holdup with ********* Screening at Oregon Schools?​


It says the school testing program started getting under way in early August here this year, which doesn't sound too late to me; but it also sounds like there's a statewide testing shortage due to the Delta surge so the testing is not running at full capacity in school programs. (The more things change, the more they stay the same. Le sigh).
 
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What’s safe to do during summer’s ********* surge? STAT asked public health experts about their own plans

I am apparently pretty careless compared to the public health experts, but I think that's been the case throughout. I'm kinda with this guy:

Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease physician and a senior scholar at Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, has a different view on ********* risks than some of the other people STAT polled. He (and others) believe ********* is going to become endemic — we’re going to have to learn to live with it. For fully vaccinated people, Adalja said, the risks even from contracting ********* are pretty low.

“That fact makes me comfortable as a fully vaccinated individual without underlying health problems to resume my pre-********* life because I am risk-tolerant and I know that if I am to get a breakthrough infection it is likely to be mild,” he said. Adalja said yes to all but two of STAT’s questions; he would not send an unvaccinated child to school without a mask and would not currently give a second dose of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
 

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What’s safe to do during summer’s ********* surge? STAT asked public health experts about their own plans

I am apparently pretty careless compared to the public health experts, but I think that's been the case throughout. I'm kinda with this guy:

Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease physician and a senior scholar at Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, has a different view on ********* risks than some of the other people STAT polled. He (and others) believe ********* is going to become endemic — we’re going to have to learn to live with it. For fully vaccinated people, Adalja said, the risks even from contracting ********* are pretty low.

“That fact makes me comfortable as a fully vaccinated individual without underlying health problems to resume my pre-********* life because I am risk-tolerant and I know that if I am to get a breakthrough infection it is likely to be mild,” he said. Adalja said yes to all but two of STAT’s questions; he would not send an unvaccinated child to school without a mask and would not currently give a second dose of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
That's me too.

Until I got vaccinated, mostly my risk-benefit analysis would line up with the public health experts. But now I think they are being overly cautious in their recommendations.
 

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Are there still people who believe that ********* is NOT becoming endemic :huh:

I've also resumed all activities that are happening.

I'd only change my behavior if we had actually overloaded hospitals, even though then it probably makes sense to be careful about all high-risk behavior, but that's not the case here as of now (and right now numbers have stopped rising) and I'd guess in the US there's also states where the situation is normal and not like in Florida or so.

So far our 4th wave has been relatively flat.
Guess we'll see how bad the situation in fall will be, but our usually most pessimistic expert said he hopes the ********* situation will be over in spring and after a difficult fall the situation might become better in winter, when there's less unvaccinated people, so that makes me a bit hopeful.
 
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A cricket match between England and India was cancelled because several of India’s team members tests positive.
Ah, this one is...a little more complicated. Yes, a couple of the hangers-on got the rona, after several members of the Indian squad attended a criticised book-launch. But no Indian players tested positive. The Test was cancelled, two hours before the first ball, because the Indian players were claiming "rona fatigue" and were "mentally tired".

Which everyone would find a whole lot easier to believe and much more understandable if the BCCI hadn't already tried to get England to agree to cancel/move this Test so that their players could go play in the postponed IPL and if the players weren't all off to Dubai to play in the IPL...next week.
 

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Some positive developments in the UK:
1) Vaccine passports are being scrapped
2) Many c19 government powers, including the power to shut down the economy, will be repealed.


The repeals don't go far enough for me - I'd like any type of lockdown to be made completely illegal, and I'd like all travel restrictions to be scrapped or tied to specific, quantifiable measures from an independent third-party source - but it's a good start! :cheer: :cheer2:

I had a feeling something good would be coming after the manifesto-breaking tax increase.
 

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Case reporting went down on Sunday as it usually does. It will be back up by Tuesday. But I was looking at stuff on the dashboard.

DeWine said when cases got down to 50 per 100K population, restrictions would be lifted. I forget when he did that, but July 1, it was 19.6 per 100K, before the Fourth of July when people started going around doing whatever they wanted maskless. As of 9/9, the state average is 582. My county is 705.7. A few rural counties are 1,900+ per 100K. The lowest is almost 300 per 100K.

You can't stop doing something that works and then be surprised and upset when things get bad again.
 

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from my city's chat page -
"Monday morning protests outside of all Miamisburg City Schools!
Unmask and Unmuzzle your children!
Bring your kids and bring your signs! There is also a district meeting in the evening.
I'll be out front of the high school with a sign bright and early at 6:30 a.m.
We will leave shortly after 7:20 for Miamisburg Highschool to Resume it's daily routine we will not Hinder the ability of children to learn.
We will be parking around local streets and walking to the front of Miamisburg Highschool where the entrances are too the building. I will be on the sidewalk as a courtesy, but you are welcome to be on school property since it is public property."


I wonder who hindered his ability to learn? But really, if they wear masks, they won't have to have kids learn from home. How hard is that to understand. On some news channel, some woman said people were trying to close down the public schools. Well, if all your teachers and/or kids are out sick or dead, you won't need a school, huh? I haven't even read the 123 comments yet.
post on FB - "For anyone interested (and I know you’re dying to know), as of 7:02 am, today’s mega mask protest consisted of exactly… 2 people." I gave that a ♥️

Comments have been turned off after 134, but several people earlier said that guy is just a troublemaker. He doesn't even live in this city or have kids here. But he gets people riled up, like someone else we know and hate, and just causes more division.
 

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What’s safe to do during summer’s ********* surge? STAT asked public health experts about their own plans

I am apparently pretty careless compared to the public health experts, but I think that's been the case throughout. I'm kinda with this guy:

Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease physician and a senior scholar at Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, has a different view on ********* risks than some of the other people STAT polled. He (and others) believe ********* is going to become endemic — we’re going to have to learn to live with it. For fully vaccinated people, Adalja said, the risks even from contracting ********* are pretty low.

“That fact makes me comfortable as a fully vaccinated individual without underlying health problems to resume my pre-********* life because I am risk-tolerant and I know that if I am to get a breakthrough infection it is likely to be mild,” he said. Adalja said yes to all but two of STAT’s questions; he would not send an unvaccinated child to school without a mask and would not currently give a second dose of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
Wow even the people living an almost normal life won’t send kids to school without a mask.

And yet here we are, one of the most conservative places with CV restrictions, having had alot of success and throwing the mask mandate out for schools on Sept 20th.
 

Louis

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More details on the UK end of restrictions from the Telegraph (caveat: conservative leaning)

The good:

Boris Johnson will make clear this week he is “dead set” against another national lockdown as he rips up the old system of ********* rules and adopts a new approach for winter.

The Prime Minister is expected to argue to Parliament and in a press conference that the UK must learn to live with *********-19 now that all adults have been offered a vaccine.

********* laws that are no longer required will be ditched and plans for vaccine passports for nightclubs and other large crowd venues have been shelved.

The travel traffic lights system will be scrapped, PCR tests will not be required for fully vaccinated travellers and, The Telegraph understands, the red list will be significantly reduced.

The bad:

But some restrictions, such as new face mask mandates and guidance urging people to once again work from home, will remain as options should the ***** surge in the months ahead.

Overall, still better / freer than almost any other country.
 

Prancer

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I'd guess in the US there's also states where the situation is normal and not like in Florida or so.
I think the entire US is flaming red in terms of states; there are a few pockets of nearly normal here and there, but I don't think there are any entire states where transmission rates are anything but high.

In terms of how restricted people are, most places are open and operating more or less normally. Florida is hardly alone in that.

I thought people might be interested in this:
In my totally anecdotal, unscientific experience, that was true before the *********, just going by student papers. I've had a lot of "marijuana is much better for you than alcohol" and "there are many benefits to the careful use of psychedelics" papers in freshman comp.
Wow even the people living an almost normal life won’t send kids to school without a mask.

And yet here we are, one of the most conservative places with CV restrictions, having had a lot of success and throwing the mask mandate out for schools on Sept 20th.
I think everyone is getting a lot of mixed information, making it difficult to make good decisions, and schools have to deal with parents.
 

MacMadame

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I think the entire US is flaming red in terms of states;
They are if you look at cases but less so if you look at deaths. There are entire states where these are low. And of course, as you said, pockets in other states.

This map shows the data per county and you can see that some states have less than 10 deaths/day (7-day average) in every single county:


Though Nebraska is showing no deaths in any county so I think they should be Gray (no data) as we know there are deaths there.
 

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