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Dobre

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Note: I went back & checked the exact wording from that Mississippi article & edited above. (It is 7% of recent deaths).
 

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Three members of the Texas Democratic contingent in Washington D.C. have tested positive for CV19.

All three were fully vaccinated.


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P.S. Also, an interesting Twitter thread from Jerome Adams, Surgeon General under Trump, in which he calls on the CDC to change their guidance to require masks again in public:

 
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Dobre

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In the good news department:

-70% of active U.S. service members have now received their first dose.
-1.6 million doses were sent to the Philippines yesterday.
-2 million were sent to Ukraine
-3.5 million were sent to Bangladesh
-1 million are headed for Burkina Faso, Djibouti, and Ethiopia shortly
-New Hampshire has now given enough doses to cover 60% of the population
 

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The Delta Variant Isn't Just Hyper-Contagious. It Also Grows More Rapidly Inside You​


"After months of data collection, scientists agree: The delta variant is the most contagious version of the ******** worldwide. It spreads about 225% faster than the original version of the *****, and it's currently dominating the outbreak in the United States.

A new study, published online Wednesday, sheds light on why. It finds that the variant grows more rapidly inside people's respiratory tracts and to much higher levels, researchers at the Guangdong Provincial Center for Disease Control and Prevention reported.

On average, people infected with the delta variant had about 1,000 times more copies of the ***** in their respiratory tracts than those infected with the original strain of the ********, the study reported.

In addition, after someone catches the delta variant, the person likely becomes infectious sooner. On average, it took about four days for the delta variant to reach detectable levels inside a person, compared with six days for the original ******** variant."
 

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That's very misleading. The vaccines are extremely helpful even with new variants. In some places, over 99% of the people in the hospital and/or dying are unvaccinated. And, yes, that's with the Delta variant. That's excellent protection and extremely helpful.
No, it's not. I didn't write vaccines were no longer helpful, I noted that they were not as helpful.

My post was in reference to steps being taken in places like Australia, where they're concerned about the spread and not waiting for the serious cases to go up. Also, if there are enough breakthrough cases, eventually you do start seeing serious cases and deaths among vulnerable vaccinated people. This is currently the situation in Israel - which has one of the highest rates of fully vaccinated people, and with Pfizer and not something dodgy. The current wave started with some superspreader events in places where few were vaccinated (schools) but didn't stop there. While the vaccine clearly offers considerable benefits, we zoomed up from single digits to our first thousand-case day since March in little over a month. Serious cases and deaths have yet to rise at that pace, and certainly it would have been worse without the vaccine, but it's nowhere near 99% of those seriously affected being unvaccinated. That statistic is misleading - it's cherry-picking the best anecdotal outcome. Dobre shared more established information, and even that may yet have to be adjusted as more data becomes available.

So, in short, what I wrote was correct, and certainly relevant for places trying to stop the spread of CV entirely and not just control cases.
 

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Yes, and I certainly hope that's true in this case. But a number of posts I've read have been questioning whether the Delta variant passes more easily among vaccinated people than previous variants. I mean, on the one hand, yes, it obviously does because even the most positive studies for Pfizer show that a higher percentage of vaccinated people contract Delta than previous variants. On the other hand, I think the variety of vaccines out there and the low effectiveness rate with one shot of AstraZenica & at least one of the Chinese vaccines may be leading to some confusion. Plus the Yankees & their J&J.
One shot of Pfizer isn't very effective either. Which is why I find it surprising that Moderna is supposed to be 72% effective after one dose. I wish they'd tell us how they arrive at those numbers and what the average person they looked at looked like. I feel like they're throwing numbers at us but they all tell a different story and how effective the vaccines are against Delta is really up in the air. I'm also not sure how trustworthy the CDC is with their continued "no masks for vaccinated folks" and "no booster shot necessary" guidance. Everything we've seen lately seems to say the opposite is true but I also know we're not seeing the full picture. The question is, does the CDC since I seem to recall something about them stopping to count asymptomatic and mild breakthrough infections, so may their numbers are a little skewed?

Like I said, I feel like we're not seeing the whole picture and I hate that. How am I supposed to trust what someone says when I don't have all the information?
 
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Arkansas: Hospitals are full as state's ********* cases rise by 980​


"Top health officials in Arkansas warned Thursday of an approaching threat to patients' access to care as the number of ******** patients in hospitals rose by double-digits for the 10th day in a row.

"Hospitals are all full right now, and cases are doubling about every 10 days," University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences Chancellor Cam Patterson, a cardiologist, said on Twitter.

"The number on ventilators rose by 16, to 119, its highest level since Feb. 12."

"'I don't really have hope that the numbers are going to turn around until we have a much higher proportion of the people in Arkansas vaccinated,' Dillaha said.

'The delta variant is just much too contagious to stop on its own.'"


"'I think we're all worried about beds,' Bledsoe said. 'I'm worried about beds. Hospital administrators are worried about beds. Emergency physicians around the state are very concerned about beds.'"

"'What I think in the very short term might happen is that we don't have beds for people who are coming in -- not just ********* patients but all patients,' Bledsoe said.

'That's the biggest, most frightening scenario that we all have.'"


Arkansas National Guardsmen speak out about unsafe living conditions due to *********​

 

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This is a very readable article from yesterday on breakthrough cases:

Andy Larsen: Breakthrough cases of ******** are up in Utah — here’s what to know​


"The *********-19 vaccines are very good. Excellent, in fact. Honestly, they’re better than we thought they’d be.

Unfortunately, they’re not perfect.

Because the efficacy of the main ******** vaccines isn’t 100%, some people still get *********-19 after being vaccinated. And, as the Delta variant takes hold as the major type of ******** in Utah, the number of “breakthrough” cases — in which people are infected after being vaccinated — is rising."


"Basically, we’re seeing between 50 and 100 cases per day among the vaccinated, and 300 to 600 cases per day among the unvaccinated. Once you adjust for the size of the unvaccinated vs. vaccinated populations, we’re seeing five to six times more cases among the unvaccinated.

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The good news is that breakthrough cases tend to be more mild. According to an analysis of over 11,000 *********-19 cases in Michigan earlier in the year, hospitalizations were 96% lower in the vaccinated group than in the unvaccinated group — exceptionally good news!

That also matches data from the ********* Symptom Study, which asks users to track their ********* symptoms through an app. They found “fewer symptoms reported over a shorter period of time by those who had already had a jab” than those who haven’t been vaccinated. And those symptoms were relatively mild: headache, runny nose and sneezing were the top three."

"And yet, it’s definitely worth noting that there are many people who do have real breakthrough cases, and end up hospitalized or even dead as a result."

"Those who are vaccinated but have multiple comorbidities may still want to be relatively cautious as we deal with the influx of the Delta variant. Those who are vaccinated with relatively low-risk profiles may still want to be on the lookout for mild infections — and get tested if necessary — to prevent further spread."
 
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That is interesting that the top three minor symptoms of C after being fully vaccinated is a headache, runny nose and sneezing. I had those things Wednesday and Thursday. I figured it was my allergies as I am allergic to mold and we have had a lot of rain this month plus it has been warm and humid, perfect for mold formation.

With all that is going on and with tons of information floating around, one doesn’t know anymore….
 

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That is interesting that the top three minor symptoms of C after being fully vaccinated is a headache, runny nose and sneezing. I had those things Wednesday and Thursday. I figured it was my allergies as I am allergic to mold and we have had a lot of rain this month plus it has been warm and humid, perfect for mold formation.

With all that is going on and with tons of information floating around, one doesn’t know anymore….

These are the new delta systems and exactly what happened to me. Get a test. Part of the reason delta is spreading so quickly is that the symptoms present themselves as very different to what we've all been told C19 symptoms are and seem so similar to allergies (at least for the first few days).

I told myself, oh, it's allergies. Oh, I can't possibly have gotten anything because I've only been at home and in the park. Oh, I'm being paranoid. Oh, it was delta.

Hoping for the best for you, but please, get tested.
 

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All those full hospitals need to be on TV. People need to see it. I know, patient privacy and all that, but look at the pictures of the kids in the hospital with polio...that had to be effective (not that there were as many deniers around then, probably).
 

MsZem

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All those full hospitals need to be on TV. People need to see it. I know, patient privacy and all that, but look at the pictures of the kids in the hospital with polio...that had to be effective (not that there were as many deniers around then, probably).
I don't think that will help. People will assume it won't happen to them because they're lucky, or careful, or never get sick. Also, people in hospitals or on ventilators aren't relatable or (I'm sorry to say) interesting.

I'd make it personal - share stories of people affected by CV, especially if they're from the intended audience's community. Personal stories that people can relate to are often more effective. I know that in Israel, it was the death of one pregnant woman and seeing her heartbroken kids that led quite a few pregnant women to overcome their hesitancy about the vaccines a few months back.

Or, like Macron, restrict access to places people want to go. No vaccination, no fun stuff to do.
 

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I don’t understood the young French people who are just now getting vaccinated so to visit a coffeeshop. Travel within Europe is a much more common thing to do, vaccination requirements to visit other countries was inevitable. Were they just gonna remain in France forever?
 

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I don’t understood the young French people who are just now getting vaccinated so to visit a coffeeshop. Travel within Europe is a much more common thing to do, vaccination requirements to visit other countries was inevitable. Were they just gonna remain in France forever?
It affects everyday life (certainly in Paris - places are absolutely packed these days!). Also a lot of people are coming up on their annual holiday, which they take in France itself. And regardless of where one goes on holiday, eventually it's back to normal life, which brings us back to the effect on people's daily lives.
 
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Or, like Macron, restrict access to places people want to go. No vaccination, no fun stuff to do.
I think this would really help here. My sister in law will not get vaccinated. She doesn't see the need because she literally never goes more than 30km from her house. They camp right outside of the city for vacations and other than that they stay home. But she does want to do things like take her kids to hockey games and other events.
 

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I don’t understood the young French people who are just now getting vaccinated so to visit a coffeeshop. Travel within Europe is a much more common thing to do, vaccination requirements to visit other countries was inevitable. Were they just gonna remain in France forever?
People just don't tend to think very much IMO.

Malta closed their border for unvaccinated people (or at least they need to quarantine on entry for 14 days now), because so many young kids travelled there for partying. So now unvaccinated people who are infected from partying are stuck in quarantining hotels there. I read an interview with a 17 and 18 year old, who are now stuck there with their ********* infection and bored in the hotel room after they were just flying to Malta to have some fun and they said they WERE going to get vaccinated, but later.

So I think you sort of have already close everybody out in order to make them notice that maybe they should get vaccinated FIRST and then continue travelling and having fun.

And so far there's always still places where you can go without being vaccinated or with free tests.

The discussion about making people pay for tests are taking up speed in Europe though.

I see the pros and cons, the con is of course that you might discover less infections if asymptomatic people have to pay for entry tests, because then they might just choose to not take as many.

But free tests make people feel like they can do everything without getting vaccinated.
 

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The Macron approach is great, but unfortunately just politically impossible here in the U.S. At least, I can't see it happening at this point. :(

What could happen--and I hope does happen--is more private businesses, institutions, workplaces, etc., starting to restrict access by vaccination status. I think the Metropolitan Opera in NYC just announced that vaccination would be required for all audience members next season. Things like that are a start.

I'm also hopeful that if more medical insurers stop waiving costs for CV19 treatment, then that might (?) induce more people to get vaccinated.
 

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Except a lot of (stupid, red) state legislatures have passed laws forbidding businesses from requiring either proof of vaccinations or masks.
 

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Mystery solved….it’s leaf mold.

I have a potting shed where I have bins of different types of potting material, including leaf compost.

Lady Figureskates wanted some plants repotted so last Wednesday I was out there for about 2 hours, repotting a few pots. The sneezing and runny nose started halfway through. Had the symptoms that night and they started to go away on Thursday.

This morning I went back out to finish the job. I did notice I had a leak in the roof which has been dripping into the leaf compost bin and some of the contents were moldy. I also noticed within about 10 minutes the ole nose started to run and I was sneezing.

One of my biggest allergies is to leaf mold which usually doesn’t appear until October when the leaves are on the ground and there is rain. Since I wasn’t out in the shed that long, the symptoms are going away now that I am back in the house And I changed my clothes.

My big problem now is I am going to have to fix the leak, if it ever stops raining, then get some sort of respirator mask so I can clean out the leaf compost bin in the shed. Until then, I ain’t going out there again…..
 

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The ********* Has a New Epicenter: Indonesia​


Has anyone looked at the juxtaposition between Russia's new-case count graph & the graph for deaths? Not good. Cases have been high (and might, maybe, be plateauing?) but currently appear to be about 3,000 below the country's spike in late December. Yet deaths are averaging almost 200 higher than previously a day & climbing. What is going on? Are we seeing an example of undercounted cases or greater severity of disease? Or the failure of deaths to be accredited last winter to the *****?

28 Fully Vaccinated People Contract ********* at Homeless Shelter in California​


California Hit By 1,000 Case Jump In New ********* Infections Over 24 Hours, From 3,611 On Thursday To 4,651 On Friday​


Another 7 *********-19 cases tied to Southeast Alaska cruise, bringing total to 10​

(So let's get this straight. All 162 passengers on this cruise were fully vaccinated, but the company did not mandate the crew members be vaccinated :wall:).

Southern Nevada Health advice is to wear masks indoors with large gatherings (including Vegas casinos).

Kansas City Health Officials are asking the public to wear masks.

Sitka, Alaska is requiring masks in city buildings.

Delta variant sparks ********* outbreak in Oklahoma gymnastics gym — 85% were unvaccinated​


'Do not send your child to camp with sickness': Summer camp *********-19 clusters in Kansas infect youths and staff​

"The Kansas Department of Health and Environment reported 11 active clusters at camps as of Wednesday, with a combined 130 connected cases of *********-19."
 
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Except a lot of (stupid, red) state legislatures have passed laws forbidding businesses from requiring either proof of vaccinations or masks.
I would think that would be easily challenged in court. The government is limited in what it can tell private businesses it can and can't do.
 

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Update from Israel: vaccines look to be very effective in preventing serious cases among younger people, less so (but better than the alternative) in older population. Left column is unvaxxed, middle is vaxxed. Around 90% of those over 50 are vaccinated IIRC.
 

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I was listening on the radio at midday about how the increased wet weather rain the Northeast along with warm and humid conditions is leading to an explosion in allergies. The big one now is mold and mildew and they say that there will be a bumper crop of ragweed for August. I have a severe problem with ragweed as well.

I think this will lead to a lot of confusion between do I have the variant or do I have allergies?

In my case, once I got a way from the source of the allergent, my symptoms cleared up. I figure if the symptoms are from the C, the symptoms will remain no matter where you go.

I figure once ragweed season starts, I may just wear a mask Outside to cut down on that pollen….
 

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An appeals court has blocked a district judge's ruling, allowing CDC guidelines for cruise lines to remain in effect! https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/18/business/cdc-cruise-ruling/index.html

With 1 out of 5 cases coming from Florida at the moment, I hope the CDC wins but cruises would be smart to adhere to the guidelines anyway. Aside from the fact that that way they don't depend on what the courts rule, they run the risk that they won't be allowed into other ports if they don't.


I don't think that will help. People will assume it won't happen to them because they're lucky, or careful, or never get sick.
Or when they see the pictures on TV they will simply say that these people don't have YKW and have something else.

I'd make it personal - share stories of people affected by CV, especially if they're from the intended audience's community. Personal stories that people can relate to are often more effective. I know that in Israel, it was the death of one pregnant woman and seeing her heartbroken kids that led quite a few pregnant women to overcome their hesitancy about the vaccines a few months back.
I'm not sure that would work either. There probably is a number of people who'd claim those are made-up stories and people get paid to pay them :(

Or, like Macron, restrict access to places people want to go. No vaccination, no fun stuff to do.
This would probably be the only thing that would be effective but as clairecloutier said, probably not doable in the US.
 
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28 Fully Vaccinated People Contract ********* at Homeless Shelter in California​

The article said most of those people were vaccinated with J&J.

An appeals court has blocked a district judge's ruling, allowing CDC cruise lines to remain in effect! https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/18/business/cdc-cruise-ruling/index.html

With 1 out of 5 cases coming from Florida at the moment, I hope the CDC wins but cruises would be smart to adhere to the guidelines anyway. Aside from the fact that that way they don't depend on what the courts rule, they run the risk that they won't be allowed into other ports if they don't.
I was thinking it was the state of Florida saying CDC guidelines did not have to be enforced, not the cruise lines protesting about the guidelines.
 

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I was thinking it was the state of Florida saying CDC guidelines did not have to be enforced, not the cruise lines protesting about the guidelines.
It was, that's why I was thinking cruise lines would be smart to do it anyway and simply ignore the Governor.
 

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The article said most of those people were vaccinated with J&J.
Yes, and that is likely true of the vast bulk of the homeless population in the U.S.

It was a very practical choice for homeless shelters, but this outbreak seems like a good argument for giving those folks a booster of one of the other vaccines. There's nothing in the article about how sick the vaccinated people are, but there are references to people who had high-risk conditions.
 

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Mystery solved….it’s leaf mold.

I have a potting shed where I have bins of different types of potting material, including leaf compost.

Lady Figureskates wanted some plants repotted so last Wednesday I was out there for about 2 hours, repotting a few pots. The sneezing and runny nose started halfway through. Had the symptoms that night and they started to go away on Thursday.

This morning I went back out to finish the job. I did notice I had a leak in the roof which has been dripping into the leaf compost bin and some of the contents were moldy. I also noticed within about 10 minutes the ole nose started to run and I was sneezing.

One of my biggest allergies is to leaf mold which usually doesn’t appear until October when the leaves are on the ground and there is rain. Since I wasn’t out in the shed that long, the symptoms are going away now that I am back in the house And I changed my clothes.

My big problem now is I am going to have to fix the leak, if it ever stops raining, then get some sort of respirator mask so I can clean out the leaf compost bin in the shed. Until then, I ain’t going out there again…..
I feel your pain. My son (who is 10 and too young to be vaccinated) has a horrible mold allergy (as well as dust mites). He is on year round meds for it but consistently sneezes and has a congested/runny nose. I would literally have to test him daily for ********* which isn’t feasible. He still masks indoors and obviously if a new (for him) symptom appeared I would have him tested but I do worry about what if it’s not his allergies…
 

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